Jinsei Gyakuten - Uwaki sare, Enzai wo Kiserareta Ore ga, Gakuen Ichi no Bishoujo ni Natsukareru - Ch. 3

[LuckyNChance]

I would only say that, while you're absolutely correct about the nuance of who is a victim versus perpetrator and touching on the cycles of abuse borne of only ever punishing, never seeking to help -
This also isn't the story for that. It is, very intentionally, a story seeking to reverse the usual way these things go, where the victim stays victimized, and the perpetrators--including the victims that are actively complicit--don't see consequences because the adults in the room are just backdrop noise, if not worse than useless and actively make things even harder for the victims (even if "trying to help" on rare occasions).

This is the answer to all the NTR doujin where the woman, even if she was seduced, still revels in the abuse and suffering of her partner at the hands of the antagonist, while everyone around the MC does nothing if they're even aware in the first place.

It's not seeking to be a critique on the genre or the problem presented, it's not meant to be a deep deconstruction of the problems involved in why people do these sorts of things to one another, and how that can be addressed and mitigated while the victims are given help.

It's just a story about revenge and the karmic backlash that comes for those who hurt the protagonist, and there's no time given, by design, to exploring whether some of the characters maybe should have been helped instead of punished at some point.

And regarding Miyuki - she's arguably the worst abuser of Eiji. She's his childhood friend, who knew him for over a decade. She was ostensibly his girlfriend. She chose to listen to her friends, against her better judgement, meet Kondo, get swept up by him, give everything to him, reject Eiji, corroborate the lie of Eiji abusing her, and every step of the way knew what she was doing was wrong, but she liked the sex and the feeling of immorality too much, and then she was worried about the backlash if she fessed up to it all and so she continued to hide it, just so certain that "Eiji still loves me, so he'll definitely forgive me".

At what point does she stop being a victim to Kondo? Sure he's an asshole abuser and manipulator, but she knew something was wrong from the start, and just kept going out of selfishness.

And she only vocally regretted it the moment she actually got caught. And in the context of this manga's message, her retribution is unceasing because even with Kondo, if Miyuki made one different choice somewhere along the way, Eiji doesn't get hurt like he does. And, because it's this story specifically, there's no "rehabilitation or mercy" because that's not the intent behind the premise.

You are correct on all counts. This is a story specifically written to fulfill this particular angle. I personally just can't handle it once we reach a certain point. Also seeing some of the comment is disheartening to me.

 

[UdenEmpati]

You are correct on all counts. This is a story specifically written to fulfill this particular angle. I personally just can't handle it once we reach a certain point. Also seeing some of the comment is disheartening to me.

that's totally fair, yeah. I'm very much going back and forth on whether it's reasonable or not, but I think ultimately I've just settled on engaging with the story as it's being presented.

But I fully empathize with where you're coming from. Hopefully there's cute fluffy moments abound between Eiji and Ai, to help offset the dumpster fire that will be the lives of his abusers in short order.

 

[GotMagicCrack]

The audacity to call the new girl a homewrecker

 

[Cross-21-]

You may like the web novel: https://yukikitsuneko.blogspot.com/p/my-childhood-friend-is-sweet-to-me.html

It's similar, but the wrongdoers are actually self-aware.

Thanks bro. I checked it out, it's almost the same as this story but way more realistic. It's not as entertaining but i wouldn't mind seeing it in manga form to be honest.

 

[BattleKangaroo]

Wait Adults taking action in a Japanese comic. What da Actual fuk that ís illegalu....

 

[trifula]

Lol. "That homewrecker". Sure, gurl. STFU

 

[Chuito]

Have you never been in a situation where you make a wrong choice and then the situation spirals out of control and you are constantly confused and pressured and not sure what to do or say, so you don't do anything or try not to rock the boat to much for fear what may happen? No?

Also I'm saying the punishment should at some point end. Ya'll seem to be thinking I'm saying let her off now, I'm not. She is going to get wrecked and I'm for it. To a point. At that point we gotta move on from kicking a person while they are down.

That wasnt a mere "wrong choice". Somethimes a wrong choice can have consequences so permanent and severe that there can never be true atonement for it.

She completely destroyed his life and drove him to attempting suicide just so she could keep getting dicked by an asshole that hates her.

Imagine, what if he successfully commit suicide? Should her punishment also end and be let off with a less severe punishment? Or is it just because he is still alive that the punishment is too severe? She actively, knowingly and willfully put him through some horrific torment and only felt guilty after having to see his state continue to deteriorate. She isnt even remorseful about he actions most of the time, just resentful that he managed to find a better woman.

So no, when you do something so atrocious it could've ended in someone dying then whatever punishment happens is just deserved. After all, there is nothing more permanent than death, her punishment should be no different than if he DID die that day.

 

[Thausamo]

you can certainly think that, but if he hadn't been there, then the girls wouldn't have done what they did.

They'll do.

Cheater choose cheat, they choose betrayl their corrent partner instead of just break-up.

 

[UdenEmpati]

That wasnt a mere "wrong choice". Somethimes a wrong choice can have consequences so permanent and severe that there can never be true atonement for it.

She completely destroyed his life and drove him to attempting suicide just so she could keep getting dicked by an asshole that hates her.

Imagine, what if he successfully commit suicide? Should her punishment also end and be let off with a less severe punishment? Or is it just because he is still alive that the punishment is too severe? She actively, knowingly and willfully put him through some horrific torment and only felt guilty after having to see his state continue to deteriorate. She isnt even remorseful about he actions most of the time, just resentful that he managed to find a better woman.

So no, when you do something so atrocious it could've ended in someone dying then whatever punishment happens is just deserved. After all, there is nothing more permanent than death, her punishment should be no different than if he DID die that day.

given her "wrong choice" nearly resulted in Eiji's death?
Yeah. sometimes "a wrong choice can have consequences so permanent and severe that there can never be true atonement for it."

Could you imagine what she'd go through if he'd died? The story would have been entirely different at that point, but, jesus christ on a shortbread cracker

 

[OSAITUS]

It first i was actually leaning towards being more lenient to the girl, she fell for sweet words of a popular kid and then she has all that fear of being branded... well what she is, but then she throws that homewrecker line, at least a bit of self awareness?

This manga is for the revenge, i´m all for it and like that they are taking their time to make the karma receivers as worthy of it as possible

 

[CynicalPepper]

The adults actually doing their jobs, in my manga!? Insane!

 

[LuckyNChance]

That wasnt a mere "wrong choice". Somethimes a wrong choice can have consequences so permanent and severe that there can never be true atonement for it.

She completely destroyed his life and drove him to attempting suicide just so she could keep getting dicked by an asshole that hates her.

Imagine, what if he successfully commit suicide? Should her punishment also end and be let off with a less severe punishment? Or is it just because he is still alive that the punishment is too severe? She actively, knowingly and willfully put him through some horrific torment and only felt guilty after having to see his state continue to deteriorate. She isnt even remorseful about he actions most of the time, just resentful that he managed to find a better woman.

So no, when you do something so atrocious it could've ended in someone dying then whatever punishment happens is just deserved. After all, there is nothing more permanent than death, her punishment should be no different than if he DID die that day.

A. Using "what-ifs" is pointless. If he had committed suicide this would be a completely different story, but he didn't. This is also because he decided to not talk to anyone, despite having a very nurturing and supportive family and friend group. It doesn't serve the story if he commits suicide and it doesn't serve the story if he done what he should have did and talk to someone. You say what if he jumped, I say what if he actually talked to people.

B. She did not malicious spread rumors, she did not scrawl on the desk, she did not herself post on social media about it. These were done by people with actual malicious intent, trying to further fan the flames of this.

She was given a drug named Kondo and she got hooked on it, now is desperate not to lose said drug, only realizing too late what she did. So she continued the lie while she was still in semi shock Do you tell drug addicts "just don't do drugs anymore, easy?" And before you say its not like drug addiction is completely is. She was pressured into it by a friend, got a taste, told herself she could stop anytime, and kept getting deeper until it was too late and ruined Eiji's life and hers.

C. In general, I'm not talking about her right now. Fuck her right now, she does not know what she has done literally. Readers know what Eiji is going through, she does not. I'm talking about her in the future

Spoiler: Something In The Future

when Eiji is happy and everything is going his way, Kondo is literally in jail and she tries to kill herself out of how badly she fucked up and how much grief she is in, but is stopped and berated more for trying to hurt Eiji again.

A punishment must fit the crime,

Spoiler: Future Happenings

and if you push someone to suicide,

is it right cause they were accessory to it happening someone else? Eye for an eye just leave everyone half blind. You are dogpiling on her cause thats what the story wants you to do, so frankly you are literally in the same mob justice mindset that put Eiji on that rooftop in the first place.

Edit: Whoops forgot to put spoiler tags in there.

 

[jojoka]

A. Using "what-ifs" is pointless. If he had committed suicide this would be a completely different story, but he didn't. This is also because he decided to not talk to anyone, despite having a very nurturing and supportive family and friend group. It doesn't serve the story if he commits suicide and it doesn't serve the story if he done what he should have did and talk to someone. You say what if he jumped, I say what if he actually talked to people.

B. She did not malicious spread rumors, she did not scrawl on the desk, she did not herself post on social media about it. She was given a drug named Kondo and she got hooked on it, now is desperate not to lose said drug, only realizing too late what she did. So she continued the lie while she was still in semi shock Do you tell drug addicts "just don't do drugs anymore, easy?" And before you say its not like drug addiction is completely is. She was pressured into it by a friend, got a taste, told herself she could stop anytime, and kept getting deeper until it was too late and ruined Eiji's life and hers.

C. In general, I'm not talking about her right now. Fuck her right now, she does not know what she has done literally. Readers know what Eiji is going through, she does not. I'm talking about her in the future when Eiji is happy and everything is going his way, Kondo is literally in jail and she tries to kill herself out of how badly she fucked up and how much grief she is in, but is stopped and berated more for trying to hurt Eiji again.

A punishment must fit the crime, and if you push someone to suicide, is it right cause they were accessory to it happening someone else? Eye for an eye just leave everyone half blind. You are dogpiling on her cause thats what the story wants you to do, so frankly you are literally in the same mob justice mindset that put Eiji on that rooftop in the first place.

I get what you're saying and I agree that in the WN it eventually just becomes tiring torture porn for how much more can we make her suffer and it goes from cathartic to kinda gross with how much the author revels in it but you're talking to MangaDex forum posters.
This place isn't known for intelligent discussions considering how easy it is to bait a bunch of people into raging at you. (Like I do )

 

[LuckyNChance]

I get what you're saying and I agree that in the WN it eventually just becomes tiring torture porn for how much more can we make her suffer and it goes from cathartic to kinda gross with how much the author revels in it but you're talking to MangaDex forum posters.
This place isn't known for intelligent discussions considering how easy it is to bait a bunch of people into raging at you. (Like I do )

There was a very good post that someone responded to me with earlier about despite how the story ends up we should just accept the premise for what it is, as its the ultimate ntr revenge story, and I agreed with them. So there are still people with decent head on their shoulders here.

 

[JhoasOliver]

Finalmente adultos que agem como adultos

 

[UdenEmpati]

There was a very good post that someone responded to me with earlier about despite how the story ends up we should just accept the premise for what it is, as its the ultimate ntr revenge story, and I agreed with them. So there are still people with decent head on their shoulders here.

It would definitely be one thing if the story were built to have nuance from the first word, yeah.
It's just.....not that kind of story. The premise itself shows that it's a story about consequences, and it sets up the "bad guys" to be just that, nothing more, nothing less.

And I think it's absolutely valid and correct to have conversations about justice and vengeance and what it means to punish someone "correctly" to their crime. Because that's a very real problem in the world today at every strata of society across many countries, and victims are left without voices and the marginalized are punished out of proportion for the same crimes the "in-group" might get a slap on the wrist for.

But this story isn't the real world, and it's not meant to be deep and complex - it's just meant to show "action -> consequence", and the offenders in Kondo & Miyuki will bear the brunt of that, because they were the ones who perpetrated the harm to the ML.

Essentially, I view it as "this wouldn't fly in many places. But here, it flies because it's the author's intent to frame it this way, therefore what's happening might as well be the way the universe works for this setting".
And I'm not saying we have to, or should, revel in what transpires for Miyuki specifically. But she's the vehicle for all the women in all the NTR stories this is an answer to who don't actually see consequences for their actions in harming their partner, whether they bought-in at the start or "fell" after the fact.
And in that role, Miyuki suffering punishment as badly as she does could be viewed as her being a "stand-in sacrifice" for all the stories where the many, many iterations of her didn't suffer anything at all.

 

[arizonaant]

Peak NTR Revenge Is back Boys That bastard Kondou been doing NTR since middle school

and now we finally get the face reveal of the ‘king goat’ Endou

That bitch Miyuki didn't even realize she became Kondou’s walking toilet but instead she totally lost it and exploded in a tantrum

Then there’s chad sensei and the principal

Thank you for translating

At least in this story unlike many others this bad behavior is not being ignored so to not damage the school

 

[StormSen]

Too many spoilers here. I'll just note that I was pleasantly surprised by the WN. The story ends up being broader than you would expect from the start. It's not just about the MC; it's more of an ensemble story.

 

[arizonaant]

I don't know how the manga will handle it, but while I'm excited for the front half I'm much more leery about later down the road. At some point we just start beating a dead horse.

Spoiler: What made me stop reading the WN

In the future the cheating ex gf will be so emotional beatdown from the yelling and accusations from her mother, mc's mother, her classmates, her teachers, the mc's new girl and the mc herself, that she will try to kill herself. But instead of realizing they might be pushing a bit hard, they double down on her calling her selfish and wanting to run away leaving a wound on the mc's heart.

I know many people want to see her get her comeuppance, and she does. But at some point you have to stop punishing someone for a mistake. I just don't see the point of expecting great emotional maturity and reasoning from a high school girl.

It wasn't just a mistake she went along with the asshole in his smear campaign about how the MC mistreated her and never spoke out. She chose to let this continue and get mad when the MC found a new person to be with. Suicide IS selfish, which is why the MCs got mad because by then they understand their own weakness. Yes people are angry at her, but none want her to die her family doesn't at least. She has to live with it.

 

[LuckyNChance]

It wasn't just a mistake she went along with the asshole in his smear campaign about how the MC mistreated her and never spoke out. She chose to let this continue and get mad when the MC found a new person to be with. Suicide IS selfish, which is why the MCs got mad because by then they understand their own weakness. Yes people are angry at her, but none want her to die her family doesn't at least. She has to live with it.

I have written multiple paragraphs about how this SHOULD be more nuanced, but I have already made peace with the story already thanks to people with better reading comprehension than you. That and I'm tired of people's mob justice mentality and lack of comprehension in general. Ultimately this is a grand NTR revenge story and anything that does not serve the purpose of lifting up the mc or beating down the antagonists is pruned to feed your righteous anger fetish.

Only reason I'm responding to to bait you.