Youjo Senki - Vol. 31 Ch. 102 - Reorganization V

[MangaDex]

 

[Gotham2298]

We are finally reaching where the movie ended! I can’t wait for season 2 to adapt the next arc!

 

[SuperOniichan]

We are finally reaching where the movie ended! I can’t wait for season 2 to adapt the next arc!

It took an anime season and one movie to adapt 31 volumes of the manga?

 

[LeutnantJager]

It took an anime season and one movie to adapt 31 volumes of the manga?

The anime is not adapted from the manga, but from the light novel. Currently, the manga has not yet fully covered all the events of the movie.

 

[aragaurn]

So I appreciate the chapters, but it does kind of feel like y'all basically flipped a coin to decide what pronouns to use for some panels lol

 

[VesperPie]

I thought it was fluke but the 203th Battalion did have Vash the Stampede in its ranks.

 

[SuperOniichan]

The anime is not adapted from the manga, but from the light novel. Currently, the manga has not yet fully covered all the events of the movie.

Thanks, I know. But I heard that the anime and manga follow a more expanded version of the story.

 

[LeutnantJager]

Thanks, I know. But I heard that the anime and manga follow a more expanded version of the story.

That would only be the manga and all its filler chapters. The anime, on the other hand, took every possible shortcut.

 

[SuperOniichan]

That would only be the manga and all its filler chapters. The anime, on the other hand, took every possible shortcut.

So did the anime cut anything or was it just faithful to the original shorter LN?

 

[Aquareed]

So did the anime cut anything or was it just faithful to the original shorter LN?

I'd say the main thing the anime was missing is the subtext.

It had all the major narrative points of the LN but the light novel is actually quite heavy and goes into great depth on the internal thoughts of Tanya and the people around her that adds a lot to illustrating their motivations and misunderstandings.

Like seriously, at times reading the LN felt like reading a psychological deconstruction or political paper.

It's understandable that a bunch of internal monologues would make for boring anime but the result is it just kinda moves from action to action with Tanya being evil because that's the name of the show!

So the anime felt kinda 1 dimensional for me. You don't get the humour from reading how exactly characters around her keep misunderstanding her motivations, you don't get the deeper deconstruction of the geopolitics and her warped logic.

Also I felt like the show somewhat misnterpreted her character. Tanya is evil, but it's the banal kind of evil born from detachment and twisted logic where the character herself is blind to the monster she creates. Without the depth to illustrate that the anime just made her openly and sadistically evil.

The manga and anime are both visual adaptions of the story, but in my opinion where the manga uses the medium to illustrate complexity and expand on the narrative the anime instead removed the nuance to make a visual spectacle.

Yap over

 

[SuperOniichan]

I'd say the main thing the anime was missing is the subtext.

It had all the major narrative points of the LN but the light novel is actually quite heavy and goes into great depth on the internal thoughts of Tanya and the people around her that adds a lot to illustrating their motivations and misunderstandings.

Like seriously, at times reading the LN felt like reading a psychological deconstruction or political paper.

It's understandable that a bunch of internal monologues would make for boring anime but the result is it just kinda moves from action to action with Tanya being evil because that's the name of the show!

So the anime felt kinda 1 dimensional for me. You don't get the humour from reading how exactly characters around her keep misunderstanding her motivations, you don't get the deeper deconstruction of the geopolitics and her warped logic.

Also I felt like the show somewhat misnterpreted her character. Tanya is evil, but it's the banal kind of evil born from detachment and twisted logic where the character herself is blind to the monster she creates. Without the depth to illustrate that the anime just made her openly and sadistically evil.

The manga and anime are both visual adaptions of the story, but in my opinion where the manga uses the medium to illustrate complexity and expand on the narrative the anime instead removed the nuance to make a visual spectacle.

Yap over

Judging by how many people in the comments perceive YS as anti-communist propaganda and/or a revanchist Germanophile fantasy, overall quite a lot of people perceived this work incorrectly. Especially after Tanya fell into the same trap as Tatsuya Shiba, where people started praising what the author was trying to deconstruct or question.

But back to the topic, comparing the anime to the manga, I got the impression that the latter is primarily more vivid and emotional. For example, the manga has much more comedic or parodic elements, while the anime feels like Zen's straightforward statement on geopolitics and history. With an obvious satirical element, but still. If I understand you correctly, you want to say that LN itself, compared to both adaptations, feels like a much more serious commentary on its themes?

I haven't done any deep research, but reading the author's Twitter, I got the impression that while the audience largely perceives "lolis" and the animanga media as the root of the work, for Zen, the most important thing in YS is the messages he wanted to make.

 

[Aquareed]

If I understand you correctly, you want to say that LN itself, compared to both adaptations, feels like a much more serious commentary on its themes?

Idk if I'd say it went that much deeper than the Manga on its themes but the lack of visual exposition and the mangas cartoony comedy segments certainly made for denser reading.

It might be a bit unfair to say LN was super serious in comparison though.

The tragic comedy that is the misunderstanding between what Tanya thinks she's saying and doing Vs how she's perceived by those around her, and how it contradicts her stated beliefs and works against her getting a rear line position, was always a big part of the story and her character.

The animes general omission of that aspect is why I felt that her character was misrepresented by the Anime where she seems notably more sadistic and malicious.

 

[SuperOniichan]

Idk if I'd say it went that much deeper than the Manga on its themes but the lack of visual exposition and the mangas cartoony comedy segments certainly made for denser reading.

It might be a bit unfair to say LN was super serious in comparison though.

The tragic comedy that is the misunderstanding between what Tanya thinks she's saying and doing Vs how she's perceived by those around her, and how it contradicts her stated beliefs and works against her getting a rear line position, was always a big part of the story and her character.

The animes general omission of that aspect is why I felt that her character was misrepresented by the Anime compared with the other works.

I was of the opposite opinion that the anime was much more successful and dramatic in this, while the manga was rather more subtle. Or I was simply a victim of misunderstandings due to people who had already started to take manga too seriously before me. Maybe it was because the anime was made to look more serious thanks to Zen's direction? As far as I remember, he even asked for the character designs to be less moe-ish so that people wouldn't be drawn to the show just for the waifus.

In any case, I am really surprised by how many people, depending on their political views, sincerely either try to accuse Zen of Reichophilia or of defending the ideals of the right and capitalism, completely skipping over any satire or deconstruction. I just recently noticed this on one of the forums and some guy accused me of "justifying the fascist title", lmao.

 

[LeutnantJager]

I was of the opposite opinion that the anime was much more successful and dramatic in this, while the manga was rather more subtle. Or I was simply a victim of misunderstandings due to people who had already started to take manga too seriously before me. Maybe it was because the anime was made to look more serious thanks to Zen's direction? As far as I remember, he even asked for the character designs to be less moe-ish so that people wouldn't be drawn to the show just for the waifus.

In any case, I am really surprised by how many people, depending on their political views, sincerely either try to accuse Zen of Reichophilia or of defending the ideals of the right and capitalism, completely skipping over any satire or deconstruction. I just recently noticed this on one of the forums and some guy accused me of "justifying the fascist title", lmao.

That's a hoax. The author didn't ask for anything regarding the character designs; that's just Yuuji Hosogoshi's signature drawing style, and you can see this from his previous works. According to the WebNewType interview from february 2017, Carlo Zen didn't want to be too involved in the anime's production because he didn't have much knowledge of the industry, so he just gave them a few guidelines and let them work in their own way.

 

[SuperOniichan]

That's a hoax. The author didn't ask for anything regarding the character designs; that's just Yuuji Hosogoshi's signature drawing style, and you can see this from his previous works. According to the WebNewType interview from february 2017, Carlo Zen didn't want to be too involved in the anime's production because he didn't have much knowledge of the industry, so he just gave them a few guidelines and let them work in their own way.

So, is this just intentional trolling like the fake interview where the 00 Gundam creators supposedly discussed how "fujoshi will buy everything we release"? Or did someone misunderstand one of his statements?

 

[LeutnantJager]

So, is this just intentional trolling like the fake interview where the 00 Gundam creators supposedly discussed how "fujoshi will buy everything we release"? Or did someone misunderstand one of his statements?

It was probably made up by someone who doesn't get attention at home and wanted to appear interesting.

Yutaka Huemura also spoke about it with WebNewType and, as the anime's director, wanted "each character's design to reflect their character and personality."

 

[SuperOniichan]

It was probably made up by someone who doesn't get attention at home and wanted to appear interesting.

Yutaka Huemura also spoke about it with WebNewType and, as the anime's director, wanted "each character's design to reflect their character and personality."

Well, I'm not sure about the uniqueness, but if back then I was disappointed that anime ignored manga or LN designs, now I've become pretty neutral about it.

 

[S0LUS]

am I the only one who got irrationally annoyed when the panel accompanying the phrase "the die has been cast" was literal playing dice? I had always heard it referred to die in the tooling & manufacturing sense, along the lines of "you finished making the mold [so changing the original object is pointless now]"...
and then I looked it up, and while there are a bunch of people agreeing with what I knew, fuckin dictionary dot com (the first search result) says "nah it's from a latin phrase meaning 'you already threw the dice' lol" & now I'm even more annoyed because that's the first goddamn time I've seen anyone claim such instead of vehemently denying it like the other search results lol

so I guess my point is

 

[commandodude]

Like seriously, at times reading the LN felt like reading a psychological deconstruction or political paper.

So the anime felt kinda 1 dimensional for me. You don't get the humour from reading how exactly characters around her keep misunderstanding her motivations, you don't get the deeper deconstruction of the geopolitics and her warped logic.

Imo the manga is the best version of the story for that reason.

The LN feels suuuuuper dry. Parched in the desert levels of dryness. It's a good story but gawd is it kind of a slog.

The anime is the opposite, too much action.

The manga has the right balance between internal monologues and action. Also it's been awhile, but I remember the LN mostly being Tanya-centric. The manga has given a lot more room for other character internal dialogue. Side characters are a lot more funny because of that.

 

[karmsand]

Rerugen fucking dying of stress lmao