Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 42 - The Uprising of the Nosey Girls

[Yotomoe]

And so...the Thick Plottens.

 

[Yotomoe]

Man Sometimes I feel like the only person genuinely enjoying this story. This is the kinda soap opera bullshit I eat up.

 

[GennArc]

Yes though me mostly call it "main" now.

Also @GennArc are you feeling any scheudenfrued at all my "text please" requests?

Can't deny there is a part of "now you know how I feel", but I am mostly just happy there is someone to call bs on all those made up things.

 

[peortega1]

That doesn't mean he's not either lying to them or being evasive the way he is with Hikari.

See what GennArc and I are telling you? You're lacking reading comprehension. First, once again, the point about the Yuu-Hikari friendship is that, again, from a distance, they're not so close, nor are they are so friendly. A large part of Hikari's Arc is precisely about FIXING her friendship with Yuu and learning that he has a life where she isn't. And at least, part of the fault is hers.

Because he's ashamed of his situationship with a high school dropout? But also it doesn't matter why, the point is nothing in the manga points to him telling anyone about Aya.

Again, this is not a situationship. Both for him and her, this was a totally formal relationship and they act totally as a couple of boyfriend and girlfriend. The boy is literally calling her "my girlfriend" from that first morning in the love hotel. We can discuss if he was not enough serious with Ayami and didn´t reach to avoid totally give the sensation of "you are my second option", but even Yami recognizes Yuu was her boyfriend and also she recognizes Yuu considered her as his girlfriend too.
Again, the entire manga and novel so far has been written from Hikari and Ayami's POV. We've only had brief glimpses of Yuu's POV.
Also, these parents, from how both Yami and Hikari describe them, aren't the cowardly, submissive Hikari who took several months to directly ask Yuu about Seki. In the worst case, they surely noticed something in Yuu and forced him to talk, either before or after the breakup.
The web novel's reference to Kaneda implies that Yuu at least told him, even if was only because Kaneda was the cover; he was the guy who told his parents that Yuu was with him when she was actually with Yami. I hope Kaneda ends up being the Inuzuka aka "Bakubro" of this manga. Yuu definitely needs a best male friend.

Yes that's an introduction, friend in common being the key point. Hikari is not introducing Aya/Yuu to each other and does not know Aya and Yuu have her in common when she is talking about them to each other.

So, you're admitting that Hikari never intended for Aya or her other friends to ever meet "Taa-kun" —and this is confirmed by how embarrassed she seemed when Haru and Yuki made fun of Yuu at the maid café. We're getting better.

That is the type of "he really sees her" detail that absolutly would be in the Yuu flashback chapter if it were true.

Yuu's flashback chapter is too short and focuses on a single moment from that morning. There is a reason why Maruto considered this as a brief omake. Damn, even all of Ayami's revelations about her life are reduced to the brief "her pain is much worse than mine" I already mentioned. So yes, he probably did notice her bleeding and didn't say anything.

Also I feel like I wouldn't be a responsible adult if I didn't make clear that many girls don't bleed their first time.

Besides, we're not talking about real life (nor does Imasara claim to be 100% "realistic"), we're talking about a romcom manga where, yes, the trope is that girls always bleed in her first time (the White Album 2 VN made this clear). Waifus never lose their hymens because they're riding horses or something similar.

Aya was gonna drop back out her first day back (went back to her spot) until Hikari passed her messed up prank test.

No, Aya was probably going to go back to school anyway just to spend time away from her mother. Hikari's pressure certainly helped, but it's pretty obvious —Ayami says it in those chapters— that she only tolerates Hikari at first because she clings to her like a tick and constantly texts her on Line (so healthy attitude), so if she wants to go to school, she has to tolerate her presence. Geographical advantage, you see? Geographical.
If Yuu had been in the same school as her, it wouldn't have been for her so easy to escape —ESCAPE— from him.

I've already had this fight on loop with GennArc - agree to disagree on our reading of this relationship.

Yes, GennArc already told you that at the time, but you didn't want to listen. That's why I tried to make it even clearer to see if you could grasp the underlying theme Maruto is raising here with ZERO subtlety with a female character who is literally androgyny incarnated.
In comparison, Keigo Maki was more subtle with Shikimori and Kamiya in their roles as dommy tomboy girls. Ayami, in her role as Yuu's girlfriend, is androgynous A LOT. Androgynous and DOMINANT. Maru-yom literally included a scene of her grabbing the protagonist's cock and buttocks at the station (another scene copied from Shikimori-san, by the way; check out chapter 144), and yet you still didn't realize that she LIKES being the dommy girl to a degree bordering on the comical and ridiculous —to contrast with the passive and submissive Hikari.
Ayami is so literally the boyfriend of the relationship who even has a masculine short hair.

These mean roughly the same thing in English, the just refer to different parts of the same place (water vs sand). And yes Aya wants to go to the beach - she wants to do outdoor things with Yuu, it's in her thoughts in the fireworks chapter.

—She didn't want to go to the fireworks; she wanted to watch them with Yuu from the apartment she took from her abusive stepfather.

It establishes that they hung out, not that he invited her to explicitly date like things like the amusement park.

Nowhere in the amusement park episode does it say that this is the first time they've been to an amusement park. Yuu's omake doesn't go into details, but it's pretty probable.

So we agree that the only time Yuu told Aya he loved her was the implict "yes, [I'm falling in love with you]"?

I don't know if it was the only time or not, but the point is that this wasn't never an implicit statement, especially given the way he said it out loud and with the "of course" included. "I have fallen in love with you, of course" is very direct and emphatic. Notice, he uses the present perfect, not the present progressive. It's not "I'm falling in love," it's "I've ALREADY fallen in love with you and I'm STILL in love with you"

I just read it as a teenage girl screaming her real feelings out into the void b/c I think it's a good characterizarion of a broken teenage girl. Also them being rants doesn't mean they're not her real feelings.

I would take those crazy-girl rants much more seriously if her reaction to Hikari when she pushed Yami wasn't literally trying to prostitute her (do you start to understand why Yuu didn´t pressure her?). Even more so when, right at that very moment, she thinks in the novel that she really doesn't want Yuu to act like that, or at least not so much. Even if Ayami undoubtedly likes Hikari, she definitely doesn't like her "bad cop" style that pressures and pushes her.
And yes, you definitely would enjoy Rooftop Scene in Shikimori-san. There definitely was left clear Kamiya cannot live without Izumi (Shikimori neither), exactly equal as Ayami with Takamura.

You are though by trying to project all his other stories on this one - some of your posts have more on his other works than this one. The characters may share characteristics sure, but the characters in this work have distinct characterization that shakes out into a narrative path organic to the characters in this story.

This argument of yours would be more valid if you had actually read or read Maruto's other works. Then you would realize the theories you propose ARE THINGS HE'S ALREADY DONE. Again, Utaha and Eriri's ending in Saekano, for example. And yes, that's a pretty easy theory to defend, that a third heroine out of nowhere will stay with Yuu (a heroine based on both Megumi Katou and Miyako Shikimori), while Hikari and Yami leave him behind and prioritize their own friendship over their love for him.

 

[peortega1]

Also, is a very lacking of reading comprehension all that thing of "the boy obssesed with get a girlfriend didn´t tell to nobody about that girlfriend because he was ashamed from her". Don´t toy with me. Yuu doesn't have to tell anyone that Yami dropped out of high school; on the contrary, he could even talk about her being a (former) model student (who's going to contradict him? Hikari? Hehe), and he definitely IS NOT embarrassed at all about being the boyfriend of a girl who he himself says "comparing my pain to hers would be a huge lack of respect".

 

[peortega1]

This thread:

TL;DR about Yuu-Yami relationship:

PS. Yes, Takamura is a exact copy/expy of Izumi in everything, they share even the same name.

 

[peortega1]

And if my theory is true and the Fate returns to its original course, after being deviated by Hikari, all this implies the Third Heroine, foreshadowed in this chapter, will be a jealous yandere with reactions so non-toxic and totally healthy as we can see in this video:

PS. Yes, Miyako Shikimori was jealous from a 6 year old girl

 

[beThereShortly]

Thank you Yom, really showing your artistic inklings here.
But you can see he's holding back, there wasn't any foot fetishism.

 

[peortega1]

Thank you Yom, really showing your artistic inklings here.
But you can see he's holding back, there wasn't any foot fetishism.

Yom is not a woman?
But yes, I am secure she drawed one or two pages of Ayami making a footjob to Yuu for her "personal use"
She definitely hold back a lot during Yami-Yuu relationship arc...

 

[Golliboy]

The author is fucking trolling us on purpose now.

 

[John_Smith10]

Your boy chose to confess knowing Aya was Hikari's best friend. Like what was the plan for that not backfiring?

Thanks @ShiroiElTsukai for the super quick translations! I love my no stakes debate venue.

Their boy Yuu folds to the first girl that shows interest in him after mouthing off about how he wanted to stand beside Hikari.
The fact people still think he didn't nothing wrong when he lied to her face and claimed he loved her for "ever since long ago" is hilarious

 

[John_Smith10]

I recommend reading the side story chapters about Yuu; I’ve posted the links on the first page. I think you’ll enjoy them… Minor spoiler: across these five chapters, Maruto shows that Yuu kinda sucks.

The funny thing about Yuu's character is that even in the manga (which isn't as fleshed out than the novel), you can clearly see that he's not the best person or did nothing wrong.

He claims to want to stand beside Hikari, but immediately gives up when he fails his exams and then falls for the next girl who shows interest in him.

He then goes on to lie about loving Hikari ever since long ago, while deliberately leaving out the fact he slept with and dated another girl during the time he supposedly loved her.

Yuu isn't Satan, but he is a liar. He's been vulnerable and done dumb things, sure. My issue isn't with that.

My main issue isn't even with the fact he told the moment another person shows interest (Though it aids my reasoning), it's the fact he claimed to have loved Hikari for the longest time when we clearly know he tossed that away for 6 months of sex with someone we know he genuinely loved.

That is a blatant lie.
His weakness does not excuse the lie.
I'm not even saying that he should've told her every person he's loved.
All I'm saying is that he's a liar and that lie is what makes me dislike him.

It's one of the reasons the phrase "their actions are understandable given insert criteria" because its always used to ignore any criticism of a character.
I'm not gonna excuse his actions "cuz teenagers" or "cuz trauma".
Just because it is believable does not make it right.

It is astonishing how I have to make this point, but here we are

 

[jojoka]

That's just a byproduct of having the whole manga told from Hikari and Yami's perspectives. They are not in the same school, so we know nothing about what he is like without them. And we've seen him get along quite well both with the guy and the girl from their middle school in that festival chapter.

Okay, I hear you. So let's imagine he actually talks to Hikari after a while, but he says it's all over for them and he wants to pursue Yami, but he wants to stay friends if she's alright with that. Or says he is cutting ties with both of them. Would that still count as growth and getting better? Would that make you care about him?

1. We had pov chapters from him and theres no personality besides orbiting the girls which i said could be a product of bad writing. Never once in the POV is he thinking about anyone but himself and the girls he wants to skirt chase it makes him really lame and creepy.

2. Staying with Hikari as friends is fine he just has to accept that romantic relationship for the forseeable future is long gone, cutting ties is too extreme. If he would crawl back to Yami I would go from disliking him to hating him, Yami is a disgusting person who played around with him and if he had such zero self respect that grovels to her I don't think he deserves any respect from anyone.

 

[story645]

boy Yuu folds to the first girl that shows interest in him

He also said yes to the girls Hikari set him up w/, but more so my frustration is the argument that basically boils down to "it's unfair that Yuu has to face consequences for his actions."

The argument that the girls are "crazy" for communicating to Yuu the negative effects his actions have had on them is just plain mysogony. Like the girls were wrong for not communicating their feelings but "crazy" when they communicated their feelings b/c they did it the wrong way. But somehow this doesn't apply to Yuu - it's somehow not fair to critique him for delaying communication and then doing it terribly. It's just ugh.

 

[analandyuri1112003]

Welp, the new chapter are out there is no hope for chap 41 reach 1k comment, what a shame =((
Was rooting for it happen you know.

 

[analandyuri1112003]

But yeah, love how consistent calm Yuu look from outside POV after Aya left him. Aya was right, she made a man out of him (or trauma him enough that he didn't let the emotion take control).

The reason I said that because in his POV, Yuu himself know he is cooked, and give up on reacting too hard on everything. We can easily see that in early chapter (before THAT chapter) he just chill most of the time (from outside POV). He handle thing carefully (very carefully if we consider that in chapter 5 of Yuu's POV he was already desperate/happy that he can have another chance with Hikari, he's sharp enough to get the hint) when he was with Hikari in early chapter or when he met the landmine kouhai. Bro show no emotion outburst, now and then.

Not gonna lie, in past chapter I said Yuu just naive and young. But then chapter 5 of his POV came out, now I think back maybe when he lie and gone for the kiss, there is no naive and young in there. He played things slow when he uncertain about the chance he get from Hikari even though he got the hint, do not let his emotion get ahead of himself, slow and steady get to the festival. If not for Aya was in the classroom, he gonna success. But after meeting Aya in the classroom and get the kiss, the slap, her outburst, bro shred like a tear and take no hesitate to continue his calculated plan when he know his chance is high.

This is what I see after read all his POV and re-read the series. Yuu maybe not the naive boy/wishy-washy that we think he is (that view stuck to us after a long time of consuming Aya's POV that describe a younger Yuu at his lowest point). Bro acknowledge the changes in Hikari's attitude and decide to play the long game and gamble everything. But he lost.

If any of this is true then it will be funny lol =))

 

[story645]

they're not so close, nor are they are so friendly.

The manga and novel make clear that even during this period, Hikari and her mother are close with Yuu's mother. Yuu's characterizarion has consistently been that he's the kind of conflict avoidant person that would avoid a complicated scheme - asking his mother to lie would invite questions that he can avoid by just not telling her/being evasive and not telling her about Aya is less messy than lying about Aya.

The web novel's reference to Kaneda implies that Yuu at least told him, even if was only because Kaneda was the cover; he was the guy who told his parents that Yuu was with him when she was actually with Yami.

I couldn't find a Kaneda in Yuu chap 3-5 or in the main story 25-30. Where is he mentioned?.
For the beach chapter, Yuu explicitly didn't involve anyone else in the cover up:

"Sorry. I told my parents I was going to a study camp, so I couldn't get away for too long."
"Right, you lied to your parents the first time we stayed together too."

the boy obssesed with get a girlfriend

He wasn't though? He said yes to the setups Hikari offered him but couldn't muster interest in any of the girls. He was obsessed with Hikari. He originally said yes to Aya b/c he wanted comfort & it was mutual wound licking. This is in his flashback chapter. He doesn't get with Aya b/c he wants just any girlfriend, he gets with Aya b/c he's at his lowest and that blooms into a relationship.

o, you're admitting that Hikari never intended for Aya or her other friends to ever meet "Taa-kun"

No, just that she had no reason to do a formal introduction before the folks met.

Yuu's flashback chapter is too short and focuses on a single moment from that morning.

Authorial intent - if it's important for the reader to know than it's mentioned. Regardless of word count. If Yuu figured out that Aya was a virgin that would be important for the reader to know because it would let the reader know that Yuu knows Aya's experienced senpai act is an act.

No, Aya was probably going to go back to school anyway just to spend time away from her mother.

Aya says she's gonna quit in chapter 31.

to contrast with the passive and submissive Hikari.

Where do you get that Hikari is passive and submissive?

She didn't want to go to the fireworks

She wanted Yuu to invite her to do things:

Not one single thing...
You don't understand anything...

Like I'd turn you down just because I hate crowds.

If Yuu was the one inviting me, I'd go anywhere -- even into the summer's sweltering, chaotic crowds.
If Yuu reached out his hand to me, there'd be nothing I couldn't endure.

Yuu's omake doesn't go into details, but it's pretty probable.

Authorial intent - if it happened it would establish that Yuu made active attempts which would be an important piece of characterization.

I don't know if it was the only time or not,

Muroto chose Yuu's only declaration of love to Aya to be an indirect "I've already done that" to Aya's "go fall in love" provocation. If Yuu was in the habit of telling Aya "I love you", that would be important characterizarion of Yuu and their relationship.

wasn't literally trying to prostitute her

Cause it wasn't, which is why Aya went and immediately saved her? If Aya really wanted to pimp out Hikari, Aya wouldn't have monitored the situation and interceded. (This is not excusing her behavior).

she definitely doesn't like her "bad cop" style that pressures and pushes her.

Sure Aya gets mad, but Hikari's method works. Aya says her friendship with Hikari and the girls is the first time she feels like a normal girl. In 35.1 she wonders if Hikari will illuminate her darkness and in 35.2 she lets down her walls to genuinely tell Hikari she wants to be with her. In this chapter Hikari's friends note how close Aya and Hikari are.

Then you would realize the theories you propose ARE THINGS HE'S ALREADY DONE

Sure, there are only so many possible endings, the point is every story is a different journey.

 

[GennArc]

See what GennArc and I are telling you? You're lacking reading comprehension.

Mate, please don't put words in my mouth. You have your own discussion, don't speak on my behalf, especially claiming that I said something I didn't.

1. We had pov chapters from him and theres no personality besides orbiting the girls

I think that wasn't really a POV because it didn't feature his everyday life nor did it have any situational thinking, like what were his thoughts when this or that happened. But even there we saw how he is actually not a clueless naive guy, but actually has a calculating side and understands people quite well.

2. Staying with Hikari as friends is fine he just has to accept that romantic relationship for the forseeable future is long gone, cutting ties is too extreme. If he would crawl back to Yami I would go from disliking him to hating him, Yami is a disgusting person who played around with him and if he had such zero self respect that grovels to her I don't think he deserves any respect from anyone.

It sounds like you will like him if he does things you want him to do and vice versa, like the growth you are talking about is less about him as a character/person and more about him doing things in the most favorable/unfavorable way for you.

 

[peortega1]

Mate, please don't put words in my mouth. You have your own discussion, don't speak on my behalf, especially claiming that I said something I didn't.

Sorry, I expressed bad my point, was not my intention. My point was just both you and me have criticized, from different positions and arguments, the posts of story645. Again, sorry if seemed I said other thing.

 

[lightokamii]

My poor boy, Yuu. Still getting blamed for things that weren’t his fault and out of his control. And he’s extremely depressed.

Hikari being completely broken by the betrayal was expected. But it still hurts knowing to see it.

Yami, once again, is running away after destroying everything.

Hikari’s friends must be reader self-inserts with how they absolved Yami and blamed Yuu for everything

I hope the author knows what he’s doing

Also we getting 1 update per month now.

He should’ve at least not thought with his dick though. Bro slept with Yami and kept the relationship going despite having feelings for Hikari. Yes the kiss during the festival isn’t on him but getting that involved with Yami while not being 100% serious indirectly caused all of this. Obviously Yami’s even more to blame as she’s a master manipulator but telling all her wrongs would take too long.