Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 42 - The Uprising of the Nosey Girls

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Second it looks like he only ever hanged around Hikari and Yami instead of having an independent friendship circle, of course this could be bad writing but it still looks like he's following the girls in his life around like a little dog (this includes his pov chapters).
That's just a byproduct of having the whole manga told from Hikari and Yami's perspectives. They are not in the same school, so we know nothing about what he is like without them. And we've seen him get along quite well both with the guy and the girl from their middle school in that festival chapter.
Firstly and most of all, talk.
Okay, I hear you. So let's imagine he actually talks to Hikari after a while, but he says it's all over for them and he wants to pursue Yami, but he wants to stay friends if she's alright with that. Or says he is cutting ties with both of them. Would that still count as growth and getting better? Would that make you care about him?
 
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Yuu is untrustworthy for not telling Hikari he dated her best friend for six months. I'd love the arc where Hikari dates Yuu's best friend for six months without telling him, closest is her being friends with Aya but she told Yuu all about Aya-chan.
Not, she definitely hided a lot of things about "Aya-chan" to Yuu, starting with her full name. Is almost impossible Yuu wouldn´t have recognized the name "Ayami Sudo". Also, I am secure Hikari never said nothing to Yuu about the time Yami tried to whoring her with an old man.
The reactions of Yuu in chapter 40 leaves very clear he never thought even in the idea of Hikari knowing who is Yami in first place. So, your comparison would be if Hikari dated Yuu best friend before that dude became the best friend of Yuu, and in that case, he definitely wouldn´t be upset, seeing how in his chapters in the novel he seems to think he wouldn´t oppose if Hikari would accept the confession of some of the boys who confessed her in middle school.
The three are guilty, but Yuu is the more innocent of the trio.
 
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Probably won't bother replying to this thread again, since most people would rather just leave a dumb reaction like cowards, and I don't want to hijack the thread any more than this.

Totally understand it - it's absolutely mortifying to tell your crush about your ex, especially when you idolize said crush and the ex let you think it was a situationship. That's the point right? It's totally understandable and also the right thing to do would have been to do the hard thing of giving Hikari a heads up.
Yes, telling her would have been the right thing. I have just been saying that his reasons for not are 100% understandable, and don't make him the awful person a lot of people think.

His actions did cause her to spiral worse - all the way into convincing herself that ghosting him was the right move. Which again not to absolve her, I just think they really weren't all that good for each other.
I agree and disagree with this part, but they were both definitely a terrible match. I'll get into why I think Aya's actions are worse below.

Eh, I think his actions being understandable doesn't make them excusable. That's the whole agency/accountability drum I'm beating. And I think it's a good lesson in a manga/novel ostensibly aimed at teenagers b/c I think a lot of growing up is learning to own consequences.
Yeah excusable was the wrong word to use, and it seems like people are latching onto that. What I mean is that not telling her about Aya then is the only thing I can think of where he was actively deceptive. Most of his issues throughout the rest of the series can either be chalked up to dumb teenager mistakes, or trying to hide his feelings in order to not get hurt - not excusable, but he could be forgiven for those if he puts in the effort to change. However when he confessed, he knew for a fact by then that Aya hadn't quit school and was still around, and could easily figure out through context that Hikari at least knew her. This could be Murata hinting that Yuu isn't going to change himself for the better and is just going to continue to wallow in his bullshit, which would probably make sense given what I've read of his writing.

So to be fair to her, like you want folks to be fair to Yuu, she's not thinking all that far ahead. Not to excuse her behavior but she genuinely has been treating the whole paid dating thing as an edgelord joke - she hasn't gone on a date so these men are still abstract profiles to her. She's at least responsible enough to monitor her prank & jumps in immediately to save Hikari. Again her behavior is inexcusable, but it's every bit as understandable as all the stupid decisions Yuu makes.
This is where I strongly disagree. To me there's an astronomical amount of difference between the two of them. Where Yuu has (mostly) indirectly hurt people through his lack of confidence and his annoying indecisiveness, Aya has actively hurt people directly through her actions, even to the point of putting Hikari in legitimate danger (regardless of whether that was meant as a "prank"). I don't think her "prank" is understandable at all if you actually think about it. She found somebody in her class annoying, so she decided the best course of action was to put that person in a position where she thought she was going to get raped. She's lucky that the situation didn't get out of hand and that she was still able to stop it - edgy joke or not that was still a teenage girl baiting adult men. Anybody who willingly does something like that is instantly and permanently irredeemable in my eyes. That's the distinction to me, and why I believe that while Yuu certainly isn't innocent, Aya is a legitimately terrible person.
 
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Thanks for the chapter!
Im glad this is finally back, but i think for future chapters ill refrain from reading the comments out of fear for my already deperiorating braincells, a majority of the people here dont seem to be interested in fruitful discussion anyways.

Quick question tho, since i am a bit confused, why did haru get so angry when she saw yuu? I thought it mightve been something she saw, but the only new information she got was that he was kinda down so that couldnt be it. Is it really just "i am mad at this guy cause my hikari is sad and he must be the cause" or am i missing something?
 
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Firstly and most of all, talk. In the novel he's constantly acting like an insecure worm and acting really creepy. He didn't push Yami off of him or properly state he's not interested in her anymore.
Shit, here were going again. He holds the distances with her during their conversation. Is gentle because he wants to end with Yami (remember, they didn´t have a break up, they technically are still a couple in this moment) in good terms and say her if she still needs him as a friend, he is glad to help her. Not more.
Second it looks like he only ever hanged around Hikari and Yami instead of having an independent friendship circle, of course this could be bad writing but it still looks like he's following the girls in his life around like a little dog (this includes his pov chapters). If he started to have a varied group of friends show up making us see he has enough self respect not to just revolve his life around girls.
He has male friends, Hikari meets them in chapter 17, and also there is Kaneda, his male best friend, the guy who said to his parents Yuu was with him in that night he slept with Yami in the love hotel, as is said in chapter 24 of Web Novel. Kaneda is the anonymous hero who made possible all this glorious catastrophe.
Seki the kouhai is precisely other example of him having a life outside Hikari and Ayami.
Third he needs to get over his victim mentality, the "four heartbreaks" in his life is retarded. He needs to accept that sometimes he won't get the girl.
The joke here is all those heartbreaks are not formal break-ups, formally never a girl has rejected him, even Hikari in chapter 38 says she loves him but she is upset by his "lies" -his only real lie was about his supposely dead phone to justify why he ghosted her by 2 hours-
He securely would be much better if he would got an appropiated rejection instead these all confusing signals.
 
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Quick question tho, since i am a bit confused, why did haru get so angry when she saw yuu? I thought it mightve been something she saw, but the only new information she got was that he was kinda down so that couldnt be it. Is it really just "i am mad at this guy cause my hikari is sad and he must be the cause" or am i missing something?
I tried to address it here:
It kinda makes sense from a meta perspective, they know how much Hikari talked about him and how sunny of a person she is, so her making such a scene + Yami's disappearance make them realize something happened, and Yuu was in the middle of it. And it's easier to single out someone they don't know and get angry at him instead of either of their friends.
You're not missing anything, but I think it's not just "he hurt Hikari", but rather "I know how head over heels she is for him, so her suddenly rejecting him and getting depressed + Aya-chan disappearing most likely means he did something very wrong".
 
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After reading the Yuu chapters, it's kinda made it apparent that Maruto couldn't help but write a self reflection with Yuu since he said he is very much like him in his youth so there is an obvious resentment / self deprecation in the writing there. Which is the worst thing any writer can do. We are not here to read of your self hatred reflecting on a character. Hikari is probably someone he himself idolized when he was younger so that's why she is like this perfect social butterfly loved by everyone but ultimately delusional and i don't believe even for a second that she will have any lasting resentments and will forgive everyone and work towards fixing the relationships, even Yami.
Spoiler: all the works of Maruto are about this personal trauma of him. Your words are perfectly applicable to White Album 2 and Saekano, word by word. My avatar, Haruki Kitahara, and of course, Tomoya Aki, are MCs even more weaker, coward and pathetic than Yuu and much more responsible from the disasters happened in their series.
In fact, Yuu Takamura is probably the most decent and brave MC ever written by Maruto.
And yes, this is probably the reason why he hated so much Eriri in Saekano, by the same exact reasons you have said about Hikari. Literally Hikari is a Expy of Eriri but without tsunderism -who passed to Ayami in a more menhera form-
And yes, this is reason why Eriri never won in Saekano and in the both main routes, where Utaha and Megumi won respectively, the plot is about TOMOYA GET OVER ERIRI.
 
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love the unnecessarily nice lingerie (well one girls seems like it's 'fancier' than the others). as a teen i wasn't rly thinking about it (tho i bet jp has nice shops even for high school girls) but feels like unless your parents gave you a nice allowance or some sports bra/comfy that'd grow with you, would be a pain/expensive to wear 'nice' lacey lingerie (esp if you had like a gym class daily versus like once a week
This is a private school of rich people, like Ayami herself. In fact, Hikari, to reforce her image as shoujo heroine -and again, as Eriri Reborn-, is the "poor" girl between rich people and interacting with them only thanks to her academical and sport merites.
Yuu in the Web Novel even says his parents had to pay an important amount of money for his access exam, so, his failure with Hikari is not the only reason he is depressed and low where Yami meets him in the station, is his failure before society and before his parents, even if he said to his parents was a "symbolic attempt" and neither him nor his parents really expected he would approve the exam, but equal is a dolorous failure in a society as the Japanese.
 
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I recommend reading the side story chapters about Yuu; I’ve posted the links on the first page. I think you’ll enjoy them… Minor spoiler: across these five chapters, Maruto shows that Yuu kinda sucks.
The only thing who proved those chapters was Maruto showing us the guy who both girls said us he is a coward once and again, practically almost at least once by chapter... ended being a coward at the end
Congrats Captain Obvious
 
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since most people would rather just leave a dumb reaction l
Like clockwork on any post where I'm like "yeah those are the consequences of Yuu's actions" :/ sorry though that that's dissuading you from posting.

could easily figure out through context that Hikari at least knew her.
More than that, he got confirmation that they were friends during Aya's crash out. And yeah I can totally see this novel/manga going the nihilist route: Yuu learns nothing and defaults to Aya (or Seki) cause Hikari doesn't want him.

Where Yuu has (mostly) indirectly hurt people through his lack of confidence and his annoying indecisiveness, Aya has actively hurt people directly through her actions,
But Yuu has also hurt people through the actions he took b/c of his lack of confidence and indecisiveness. I also think it's a bit of a cop-out to say that Yuu is less bad because he's too inconsiderate/immature to not think through the consequences of his behavior. Like that's selfish even if it's not intended as such. Which again, Aya also is too immature/selfish to think through the consequences of her actions.

In one of the side stories Yuu unknowingly calls them kindred spirits in reference to how they're relating to Hikari and yeah that's what I think is happening narrative-wise.

is understandable at all if you actually think about it.
Yes but Aya didn't think, just like Yuu doesn't think. I absolutely agree she's lucky Hikari has plot armor but legit, as Aya says to Hikari, Aya thought Hikari would get flustered and then handle the situation like Aya would - which Aya sent the man away. I agree it is not remotely condonable, but that's why I think Hikari found it forgivable.
 
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Anyway, all these pages of discussions gives turns and turns around the meta-referential central point without see it. There is a reason why Yami is reading Koisuru Metronome in chapter 26

Koisuru Metronome is the Saekano If Route manga, written by Maruto, where Utaha won becoming the girlfriend of the MC after have sex with him, because in this route, Tomoya never met Megumi the title FMC, the "boring girlfriend", so, he never fall in love with her

Because Ayami, Yuu and Hikari are based in Utaha, Tomoya and Eriri, is easy to see this is a route where Utaha had a relationship with Tomoya in the past, had sex with him as she always wanted and all that, and later she broke with him and is dealing with it in the present. This is the reason why Ayami explicitily self-identifies with Utaha.
 
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she definitely hided a lot of things about "Aya-chan" to Yuu, starting with her full name.
She had no reason to think Yuu would know Aya so she's just relating the story of her friend.

Is almost impossible Yuu wouldn´t have recognized the name "Ayami Sudo".
Aya's name is Matsushita when Hikari meets her (ch 31) and Hikari would have no reason to relate to Yuu about her friend Aya's parents divorce and change of last name as that's usually information folks don't want shared about them.

reactions of Yuu in chapter 40 leaves very clear he never thought even in the idea of Hikari knowing who is Yami in first place
Yes but at that point he also got confirmation that Hikari and Aya were best friends and still chose to confess to her without telling her. But also the comparison was about sharing important relationships with friends, not dating best friends.
 
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But is other base even more obvious. The MC and the second FMC of Shikimori-san is not just a cutie.

Yuu and Yami are so obvious expies from those boy and girl until the point they have even practically the same names (Ayami = K-amiya / the two male MCs called both Yuu)

Maruto wrote a If Route where Yuu Izumi never met Shikimori, just met Kamiya (and where he had Hikari, the Eriri´s Expy, as childhood friend and pseudo-big sister who protected him). And where he gave Ai Kamiya a light version of the Kazusa Touma background to explain why this Expy Kamiya advanced so ridicuously faster than the Utaha and Kamiya from OG Timelines

Ayami received, like Koisuru Utaha, the help of Fate that OGs Kamiya and Utaha never had.

And yes, this is the reason why the really bad actions of Ayami are after her breaking with Yuu. As what happened with OG Kamiya (who seemed to the edge of the full collapse in rooftop scene and entering in mode full Kazusa Touma, like Ayami in the cultural festival), Ayami definitely needs Yuu in her life at least as a friend (and of course, she knows she doesn´t deserves being even near from him after how she broke his heart so crudely). Only him is able to really heal her, like Izumi with Kamiya.
 
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Doesn´t help these MC and 2nd FMC are probably based in Haruki Kitahara and Kazusa Touma (and yes, this is the reason why Izumi friends didn´t know about his friendship with Kamiya, like Haruki friends didn´t know about his friendship with Touma), and they are securely who would have been Haruki and Kazusa if they would HAVE PARENTS.
Maybe disfunctional in some cases, but definitely presents in their lives, like Ayami mother.
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