Imasara desu ga, Osananajimi o Suki ni Natte Shimaimashita - Ch. 43 - The Pride of the Lecturing Girls

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Chapter one:
"For me, it's been a constant struggle with no reward, but I can also stay close to him. It's like being in hell and heaven at the same time -- or maybe it's neither."
Yes, she perceives it as closing the distance. Yes, she does see their relationship that way. Yes, she decided to do it of her own accord. She even calls it a struggle.
This is funny because is probably, and the omake chapters hinted thus, how Yuu felt about Hikari in middle school.
 
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so of course he couldn't push it off to the next day.
In 44
he's still pushing off the discussion with Hikari
So uh yeah, Yuu can be avoidant as all out when he wants to be. Hell from 44, Hikari has a whole script she expects from him:

You could at least come up with some half-baked excuse full of lies, try to smooth things over, pretend it’s nothing, and wait for time to fix it, you know?


If he doesn't want to tell her the real reason, would it be better to leave her hanging?
Yes? According to you, all these feelings Hikari is having are based on a lie:
Hikari @ chap 17 said:
I had no idea he'd felt... self-conscious about me.
<snip>
I had no idea he'd thought of me as a rival.
<snip>
But still, it was really, really...
An important thing for me to hear.
<snip>
Thank you for sharing what's in your heart
And she also verbally tells Yuu thank you for opening up to her:
Thank you for telling me, Ta~kun... it really makes me happy."
For Hikari, who values honesty above all else, finding out that she was lied to about something she thought was such an important admission would be a major betrayal. Like the kiss level blindsided. Which is why it'd be manipulative - it'd make Hikari think Yuu opened up his heart to her when he didnt.

The bottle switch is not in the same universe b/c nobody's getting hurt if they find out the truth.

When she already fell for him, sure. But back then she didn't.
Hikari thinks them going to the same school would have backfired:

If he had ended up going to the same school as me...
Maybe my feelings wouldn't have grown into what they are now.

Which is back to my point that this is all Yuu's goalpost that he decided had to be the goalpost for reasons we completely disagree on.

Yes, she perceives it as closing the distance. Yes, she does see their relationship that way. Yes, she decided to do it of her own accord. She even calls it a struggle.
She's talking about physical distance in those instances - being back to back, being in his room.

So, I'm trying to get in sync with that vibe and move in a bit closer.
Since this guy is turned away from me, I turn away too and press my back right against his.
<snip>
I mean, is it normal to change clothes in front of a girl?
It takes quite a bit of skill to pretend to not be looking while staring at him!

A boring day, my ass!
For me, it's been a constant struggle with no reward, but I can also stay close to him. It's like being in hell and heaven at the same time -- or maybe it's neither.

When it comes to their relationship, I couldn't find where she was using emotional distance.
 
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In 44
he's still pushing off the discussion with Hikari
So uh yeah, Yuu can be avoidant as all out when he wants to be
YOU DEFINITELY HAVE ZERO MEDIA LITERACY
The Web Novel chapter 44 is more explicit, but even in the manga is very obvious is Hikari who are GHOSTING Yuu and avoiding any conversation or encounter with him. Just as I predicted.
Haru proved last chapter, anyway, Yuu always speaks under the most minimum pression. If you ask, the boy always will respond it. Maybe not totally, but he definitely gives answers.
Is very obvious the reason why Yuu managed to hid all this to Hikari is Hikari being so ridicuously COWARD. Hikari is so ridicuously passive and inactive, even than Yuu, and these are bigger words.
But she is a girl, so, she has right to being so ridicuously useless and spineless.
 
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You had been doing so well at not being a jerk :/
You are the jerk here, idiot
ZERO MEDIA LITERACY
Haru showed you in the penultimate chapter and you are still without understand nothing. You are precisely how the passive girls Maruto hates so much and loves humilliate so much. I am very happy Maruto is making you suffer, shoujo fangirl.
 
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Can somebody reply the novel version of this chapter that everyone ia talking about. I have been scanning the 17 pages of comments and my head is spinning. Please
 
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Man I think you need to take a step back if you're wishing suffering on an internet stranger b/c they disagree w/ your take on fictional teenagers.
Not with my take. You are disagreeing with Maruto take about HIS fictional characters. So, I am happy the author is making you suffering because he is not writing his work for your likings. Like he did before with Eriri fans in Saekano.
And I am back with him in his position against the mysandria of people like you.
 
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You are disagreeing with Maruto take about HIS fictional characters.
Are you Maruto? If not, then you're engaging w/ the literature through your perspective just like everybody else participating in these threads. And unless you're writing a dissertation on Maruto, there probably aren't any actual stakes to your interpretation being more or less right than anyone else's.

Which also, it's not mysandric to think Yuu has agency and is therefore accountable for his actions.
 
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Can somebody reply the novel version of this chapter that everyone ia talking about. I have been scanning the 17 pages of comments and my head is spinning. Please
Post #308 on page 16 of the Chapter 42 discussion here: https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...e-uprising-of-the-nosey-girls.2391344/page-16

You might be wondering why in the world the novelization for Chapter 43 was in the thread for 42 - Maruto (or someone who works for them) messed up and posted the novelization for Chapter 43 early on his site so we started discussing it in the thread for Chapter 42.
 
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Are you Maruto? If not, then you're engaging w/ the literature through your perspective just like everybody else participating in these threads. And unless you're writing a dissertation on Maruto, there probably aren't any actual stakes to your interpretation being more or less right than anyone else's.
I already had wrote several dissertations and essays on Maruto works and made several studies from his works from years. I can quote direct declarations and tweets of him criticizing passive girls without initiative, with links and sources. All this makes very easy identify PATTERNS in his work.
As I said, there is a reason why Eriri fans hates him a lot. Eriri didn´t win even in her own route. I am much more authorized to talk in name of Maruto than you, a person who doesn´t even know about his previous works. "Eriri Sawamura Spencer" name probably doesn´t mean nothing for you. "Setsuna Ogiso" even less. "Kyou Nekozaki" is alien language for you.
So, you can start with see those works, as I recommended you in the past, if you want to have really media literacy of these authors and their pro-femdom and pro-role reversal messages.
Which also, it's not mysandric to think Yuu has agency and is therefore accountable for his actions.
Is mysandry because you praise Hikari for the way she acts and uses her agency, but you criticizes Yuu for the same acts and same way to use his agency
Even more when she is even more passive than him and pardoned things to Yami who Yuu never would have forgiven so easily to her -like the attempt of whoring her-. In other words, for you is good she is passive, but for you is bad he is passive, because Hikari is a girl and Yuu is a boy and the boys cannot be passive and submissive
Both Yuu and Hikari has agency and are accountable for their actions and yes, their cowardice and passivity
 
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I already had wrote several dissertations and essays on Maruto works and made several studies from his works from years.
Cool, which journals are they published in?

In other words, for you is good she is passive,
I've made pages of arguments about how she wasn't passive in her persuit of Yuu, which Yuu acknowledges by recognizing her change in attitude the last six months. Hikari is also the one to make the overtures to Aya that pushes them into friendship, so I don't think Maruto is writing her as a passive character. If you disagree with me that's fine, but the claim that I think it's good she's passive just isn't true b/c I don't think she's characteristically passive.

The reason I argue that in this instance Hikari should not be making the overtures first is mostly b/c I think there's more character growth in Yuu and Aya doing so given how the narrative has been going so far:
  • Yuu lost Aya b/c he didn't fight for Aya, therefore it would show character growth if he learnt from that and fought for Hikari (or Aya)
  • Aya runs away from her problems - ghosting Yuu, being a horror to Hikari, ditching school - so it would be growth for her to come back to them.
If you disagree with my reading of the narrative, fine. But in this instance, I think Hikari already made her move - telling Yuu she hates liars, trying to talk w/ Aya that night - and now put the ball in their courts.
 
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Cool, which journals are they published in?
In a South America college journal in Spanish, and anyway, is not digitalized. You are free to believe me if you want. You can look my posts in Reddit and other social media about Maruto works that I posted before Imasara first chapter anyway (so, from 2023-2024 until before in time), if that is useful for you.
Again, when you will see the previous works of Maruto and preferably Shikimori-san too, you will have the same right as me to talk about Maruto declared thoughts and decisions. And again, I have interviews, tweets and statements from him about all these points. Same with Keigo Maki, Shikimori-san author.
I've made pages of arguments about how she wasn't passive in her persuit of Yuu, which Yuu acknowledges by recognizing her change in attitude the last six months
Haru and Yuki still considering her as very passive, and let´s not say Yami. I did lots of pages of arguments about how she is only repeating the attempts of Yuu in middle school with her -and he says this too in his own PoV-, but with a much more open Yuu than she was in middle school, proving precisely Yuu never left to love her.
So, she is still as passive as Yuu, she is not more proactive than him. So, is her who has to fight for Yuu instead see passively how Yami slaps him and later SA him before her own eyes.
Hikari is also the one to make the overtures to Aya that pushes them into friendship, so I don't think Maruto is writing her as a passive character
Have I to quote again Haru and Yuki comments about Hikari? Is precisely the submissive and passive character of Hikari the reason why she manages to became the friend of Ayami, the reason why Hikari forgives her even after the trying of whoring her -even if, we agreed, Yami saw that just as a "heavy joke"-
If you disagree with me that's fine, but the claim that I think it's good she's passive just isn't true b/c I don't think she's characteristically passive.
And again, I have offered several proofs Yuu is not passive, and in fact, he is more proactive than Hikari.
Yuu lost Aya b/c he didn't fight for Aya, it would show character growth if he learnt from that and fought for Hikari (or Aya)
That is the point I say you don´t have media literacy, Yuu omake chapters confirmed he really fought for Aya and acted as the stalker she wanted from him. And this is the reason why we can see him there fighting for Hikari too, and why Web Novel is so detailed in how Hikari makes so many efforts to AVOID actively Yuu.
Exactly as Yami securely did in those weeks Yuu was looking for her.
And again, Hikari PUNCHED Yuu, from that moment she lost the right to make what do you are saying. You are basically validating violence against men, this is the reason why I accuse you from mysandria.
Aya runs away from her problems - ghosting Yuu, being a horror to Hikari, ditching school - so it would be growth for her to come back to them.
Finally a thing we can agree.
But in this instance, I think Hikari already made her move - telling Yuu she hates liars, trying to talk w/ Aya that night - and now put the ball in their courts.
True, Hikari put the ball in Yuu court... and he returned to her with those LINE messages precisely apologizing for being a liar and choose a bad moment to confess it. He never denies his still living feelings for her, in any case.
He taked the lead even after being punched by Hikari, he is trying to meet her, and she is actively AVOIDING and basically expecting Yuu enters in her room as a stalker or a rapist. Or jumps to her window like Haruki did with Kazusa in White Album 2 episode 2 last minutes -I am giving the exact moment to you to you know where to look-
In this moment, and, to be fair, in his typical passive way (like his attempts to pressure Ayami to talk about her family during their relationship), Yuu is inviting very clearly to talk to Hikari and put the ball again in her court. So, is Hikari who has to take the lead in this point or at least, leave to AVOID Yuu, pass before his eyes and see if he is going to her or just ignore her.
Even if is for a message type: "I won´t forgive you so easily, Taa-kun. You owe me at least an explanation, and you will need this will be a really good explanation for your actions"
Again, Haru proved in chapter 43, by 94847575 time, Yuu talks very easily when he is under the most minimum pression. Other proof he is more proactive than her, but, again, because your mysandry, you support Hikari passive submissive personality but condemn Yuu passive submissive personality.
 
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In a South America college journal in Spanish, and anyway, is not digitalized.
Is it peer reviewed? Legit it's just that you're making yourself out to be the final word on Maruto & it's making it difficult for anyone who doesn't share your view to participate in these discussions. Which maybe that's your goal, but to me most of the fun of arguing with Genn is our usually radically different perspectives.

Have I to quote again Haru and Yuki comments about Hikari?
Yes please do.

Yuu omake chapters confirmed he really fought for Aya and acted as the stalker she wanted from him.
And hid when he saw Hikari:
Once, I even spotted Hikari and hid in a panic,
so no he didn't really fight b/c a real fight would include taking the risk of Hikari finding out.

, Haru proved in chapter 43, by 94847575 time, Yuu talks very easily when he is under the most minimum pression.
Haru is basically a stranger - Yuu also talked very easily to Aya about Hikari before he really knew Aya. Yuu has a far harder time telling Hikari what's up - see the convo about Seki or not wanting to go to the festival or why he took the exam. Same with Aya, once they're dating Yuu holds back from pushing her on anything.

he is trying to meet her, and she is actively AVOIDING and basically expecting Yuu enters in her room as a stalker or a rapist.
She thinks Yuu's the one at the doorbell b/c she expects him to just come over the normal way b/c he lives next door. Which also suggests that Yuu hasn't come to see her.
I was already buried under my blanket, trembling headfirst on the bed, and let out a huge sigh—a mix of relief and crushing disappointment that hit me both at once.

Seriously…
Why do I have to go through this kind of emotional torture!?

“Ugh, seriously! Ta~kun is… Ta~kun is stu—!?”

She wouldn't have such big feels - relief and crushing disappointment - if he'd made other overtures to come and see her.


precisely apologizing for being a liar and choose a bad moment to confess it
Per the discussion in the other thread, Maruto probably wrote it purposefully vague. Which yes, it's fair to critique Hikari for not getting out of her head and pushing back that Yuu is being vague.
 
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Is it peer reviewed? Legit it's just that you're making yourself out to be the final word on Maruto & it's making it difficult for anyone who doesn't share your view to participate in these discussions
I don´t pretending being the final word on Maruto. You are who are pretending the final word on Maruto without even see any of his previous works neither quote never his statements, interviews or even tweets.
And yes, those dissertations were peer reviewed until as I know, but again, it was a college journal where I wrote when I was a student, not more.
Which maybe that's your goal, but to me most of the fun of arguing with Genn is our usually radically different perspectives.
Not exactly. I am inviting you to see the previous works of Maruto if you want to recognize PATTERNS in his works, patterns he is following again here in Imasara. This is the reason why all my predictions have been correct until now.
And of course, to see Shikimori-san too in this, let´s say, role of "son of White Album 2". Over all to understand my thesis of Yuu and Ayami being Expys from Yuu Izumi and Ai Kamiya, who were already based in the MC and FMC of White Album 2 either.
And hid when he saw Hikari: so no he didn't really fight b/c a real fight would include taking the risk of Hikari finding out.
Or he only wanted hold Hikari apart from all the fight and discussion with his girlfriend, a girl who Hikari didn´t even meet in this point of the story. Nothing in the text suggests his last attempt to find Yami was that time Yuu was hiding from Hikari.
But again, I always agreed with you and GennArc one of the few real sins of Yuu is him doesn´t wanting to say nothing to Hikari about his ex girlfriend, is him feeling so uncomfortable about the idea of say to his crush "I dated other girl and she dumped me after six months".
And this is the reason why Maruto makes so many efforts to guarantee Yuu didn´t know nothing about Hikari even knowing who was Aya, because he was in his full right to take this decision -even if proves, of course, he is not totally open to Hikari, as she is not totally open to Yuu either- until the moment he learned Ayami was now the best friend of Hikari. And from this moment until the failed confession, passed just two hours as much.
Haru is basically a stranger - Yuu also talked very easily to Aya about Hikari before he really knew Aya
Haru is still the real best friend of Hikari in this point and Yuu knows very well Haru probably will tell all this to Hikari. Is other of his passive attempts to invite her to talk (and, IMO, the two mothers asking Hikari and forcing her to make a promise about visit Yuu house, hehe, is other of his passive plays), this is the reason why Yuu sends the new messages in the Novel after talk with her friends, again, as a proof he is disposed to talk sincerely with her and he is not a liar. Like in the past, he thinks his conversation with Haru and Yuki will be the new and unexpected element who will break the current dead point.
Yuu has a far harder time telling Hikari what's up - see the convo about Seki or not wanting to go to the festival or why he took the exam
He ends being very sincere about Seki or about he took the exam. He even says there are things he doesn´t want to talk yet and he is not telling everything -exactly equal as he does with Haru-, but all the things he said, are truth. So, he talks very easily in the rare occasions Hikari really pressures him, so: in the rare occasions Hikari TAKES THE LEAD.
Same with Aya, once they're dating Yuu holds back from pushing her on anything.
Not. Yuu told a lot about Hikari to Aya even after they started to dating (and much more than his short and evasive answers in the restaurant date in chapter 23), and is Aya who decides doesn´t pressure more him when she detects, equal as Haru in the restaurant, there are things he doesn´t want to talk yet but she knows she will make Yuu talk if she pressures him the enough -how she pressured so much Yuu to force him to go to the love hotel TWICE in that second date-, this is precisely a signal about Yami respects Yuu limits too and appreciates how he doesn´t pressures too much to her about her own family.
She thinks Yuu's the one at the doorbell b/c she expects him to just come over the normal way b/c he lives next door. Which also suggests that Yuu hasn't come to see her.
Yes, I didn´t deny this. My point is she is actively avoiding Yuu OUTSIDE her house and after Hikari punching him in the gym, Yuu has decided, and with reason, doesn´t be so proactive and return to his usual passive way to take the lead, inviting her to talk, or trying to encounter "casually" her outside her house.
Again, his personality, as all the Maruto male MCs before him, and Yuu Izumi too, is Yuu only will be proactive in a situation of "is now or never". If Hikari would move, he would act much more proactively, because this would be a very obvious signal Hikari is really bad and hurted. If she stills in her house and going to school, continuing her normal life, Yuu is right Hikari is fine and only needs time to process the events. He is still offering his hand to her and his offer to talk is still in the air, she is who are GHOSTING him and is unable to even send a response for LINE saying the things she says to the wall of her room.
She even says she feels relief is not Yuu who are at the doorbell. So, he is right to doesn´t want to pressure her too much. She is practicaly almost expecting he jumps to her window and even in that case she first will insult him before save his life. Precisely like Ayami, and of course, Kazusa Touma from WA2.
Per the discussion in the other thread, Maruto probably wrote it purposefully vague. Which yes, it's fair to critique Hikari for not getting out of her head and pushing back that Yuu is being vague.
Yes, as I said, this fits with the usual Yuu passive personality, and again, is logic when the result he had to more open and more direct and proactive in the gym, was being punched and thrown to the floor.
So, he returned the ball to her court with his vague and short apologies and inviting her to talk.
Like he does with Yami in chapter 28, he pressures her about her family and invites her to talk about her family problems, saying he is open to listen her, but in his passive way, and letting clear if Yami doesn´t want to talk or give much details ("so, if she says all is right now in her home, she has to be right, not?". securely he thought in the moment), he will respect her in her desire.
 
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If you want add something more, @GennArc, I would appreciate it.
Yes please do.
This will be fun. These are just quotes from only chapter 5, the debut chapter and presentation of Hikari friends -including the ridicuously obvious foreshadowing of Ayami trying to SA Hikari-
If I would want make an essay with any and all the quotes of Hikari friends -even without Yami- counseling her to take the lead, I can easily fill at least 7-10 pages.
Today's a completely ordinary day. In the midst of a noisy school lunch break.

Haru: "That's why I'm saying just confess already, Hikari!"
Hikari: "I can't! It's way too late now. I missed my chance!"

Lunchtime with the usual suspects. Haru, sitting across from me, is practically shouting, criticizing my indecisiveness.

Haru: "Even if you say it's too late, you only started liking him recently, no?"
Hikari: "Yeah, kinda... Up until middle school, I didn't think of him that way at all. Actually, it wasn't until high school that I started noticing him."
Haru: "Oh, that was after he went to a different school, right? Then, why don't you just say something like, Only after we were apart did I realize... how much you mean to me, and then, I dunno, just push him down or something?" (...)

Yuki: "Hikarin, you're such a late bloomer, you know that? Even though you're popular and get confessed to all the time!"

(...)

My childhood friend has no idea about my feelings for him.......But within our girls' group, I end up sharing every little detail about it.

Haru: "Then go after him more aggressively, Hikari~!"
Yuki: "Yeah, yeah! And if you can't confess, just go with the flow and, you know, invite him for some fun instead~."
Hikari: "Wait! Didn't you just skip like three whole steps?!"

(...)

Haru: "Whoa, whoa, that's a bit much. Hikari here hasn't even kissed anyone, let alone that."

Yep, once again, Haru is loudly broadcasting my lack of experience for the entire classroom to hear. I wanna die.

Yuki: "Hey, Hikarin, are you really not interested in that kind of stuff at all?"
Hikari: "No! ..................Maybe a little bit."
Yuki: "There it is, a perfect example of outing yourself!"
Hikari: "B-but that's way too advanced for me! Can we at least start with step one, please?!"

And thanks to their clever leading questions, my closet perv level is now being broadcast to the entire class. I wanna die. Again.

Yuki: "Hey, Ayachin?"
Haru: "Let's hear another one of your mature insights, Aya-sensei~"
Ayami: "Hmm? What's up?"

And so, in the final ten minutes of a lunch break that had already spiraled out of control...
We three turned to the last member of our group, who had been quietly munching on her sandwich next to me.

Haru: "Didn't you hear? Hikari said she really wants to learn about kissing."
Hikari: "I didn't say that! I mean, it's not like I'm not interested, but still!"
Ayami: "Kissing, huh? Hmm... how many years has it been since my last one?"
Yuki: "Ohhh, so Ayachin's been on a dry spell?"
Hikari: "Wait, Aya-chan, when was your first kiss...?" [you don´t wanna to know, little girl]

(...)

Ayami: "Alright, so what do you wanna know about kissing? How to make the first move? How to get the other to do it? How to do it? Or, how to get done?"
Hikari: "Geez, Aya-chan, you're always so intense..." (...) "Uh, um, well, basically... is it true that your first kiss tastes like lemon!?"
Yuki: "......Are you quoting some 80s era [Showa Era in Original Japanese] rom-com manga?"
Haru: "......Wow, Hikari, just how sheltered are you?"
 
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Yami rescue arc here we go.

Prediction: Yuu and Hikari will likely join forces to rescue Yami from purposely ruining her life in some twisted attempt to distance herself from her friends and loved ones.

They will stand in front of some shady love hotel yelling:

"FIGHT IT YAMI!!
WE KNOW YOU STILL HAVE GOOD IN YOU!!
DON'T SUCK THE PEDO OJII-SAN'S DICK!!"

Then Yami will see the light and get saved at the last moment.
based on how this manga's gone so far, and took every chance at drama it could,
Yami is 100% gonna full throttle in that situation.
And probably while Yuu and Hikari are in a closet hiding and watching, or something.

idk, this manga has taken every possible chance to make the drama worse when it can.
 
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I really really wish mangakas would just hit the audience hard with real life. he should have told all of them to eff off. It's not your issue girls, you don't have the moral or civil authority to involve yourselves with this. And if you're really Hikari's friends, why did you to her Ex first instead of asking the very person who you purport to care about? How is that a good look in any culture? smh.
 
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idk, this manga has taken every possible chance to make the drama worse when it can.
Typical Maruto modus operandi, believe me when I said White Album 2 and Saekano fans are very familiarized with this
Less bad Ayami is so traumatized about sex being an abuse attempt´s victim, we won´t get that scene (or how Hikari and Yuu would say: "Yami-senpai/Aya-chan is a very good and romantic girl who is unable to sleep with someone without really feeling something for that person"), I bet more for a suicide attempt from her side
A suicide attempt would fit better, also, with her personality a la Ai Kamiya/Kazusa Touma
 
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You are who are pretending the final word on Maruto without even see any of his previous works neither quote never his statements, interviews or even tweets.
Far as I know, I've never accused folks who disagree w/ me of lacking reading comprehension. The opposite, I've usually tried to acknowledge that they're just coming at this from a different perspective. As to sticking to the text, that's just standard close reading.

am inviting you to see the previous works of Maruto if you want to recognize PATTERNS in his works, patterns he is following again here in Imasara.
You can't win the persuasion game by telling everyone who disagrees with you that they have no reading comprehension. You just signify to them that it's not worth their time to engage with you.

Or he only wanted hold Hikari apart from all the fight and discussion with his girlfriend, a girl who Hikari didn´t even meet in this point of the story.
Which is still priortizing Hikari over Aya, where what Aya wants is to be the priority.

Is other of his passive attempts
That's my point - Yuu talking to Haru does not mean Yuu is up for a direct confrontation with Hikari.

Yuu only will be proactive in a situation of "is now or never"
It's reasonable for me (& other readers) to interpret this as a character flaw given how it backfires on Yuu.

Hikari-
If I would want make an essay with any and all the quotes of Hikari friends -even without Yami- counseling her to take the lead,
That doesn't make Hikari characteristically passive, just passive w.r.t romance. And after chapter 5 she takes their advice and invited him to the amusement park and the school festival.
 

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