Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan o Erandeiraremasen—Dai 2-bu: Hon no Tamenara Miko ni Naru! - Vol. 13 Ch. 62 - My future self

[Ironclad]

 

[boostedskyline]

So how many chapters are left before the next part?

Ditto on the question, came here looking for that answer too so I can get started on part 3

 

[pashkoff]

And Rozemyne sounds more German

While Rozemyne is an official translation, I find it amusing, that German word for a rose (I guess it was supposed to be the flower in the name) is "die Rose". But the "z" sound you expect is still there. Generally, german "s" sounds like "z" in pairs of s+vowel.

 

[dragonstar457]

They didn't include the part where she explains Deliah fears the orphanage and hates it, this it would be a fitting punishment.



It is Sylvester we are talking about, he never was the smartest person. From his perspective:

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He felt he should never have been the archduke and that Fernand should have been. Therefore a lot of times he just follows Fernand's plan. And Fernand hates his mother and would obviously include her downfall in his plan.

He likely naively felt the prosecuted faction would accept him after his sacrifice and that the old faction have no choice but to follow him.

The mother also was harsh on both Fernand and his wife. She also treated Sylvester a lot like a puppet. So he also had emotional reasons to distance her

Also, his mother's faction doesn't hold the dutchy together. His mother's faction is the minority. From his personal family perspective it was a bad move, but from the dutchy perspective it was a good move. Because the minority prosecuting the majority is a ticking bomb.

So on that note.

Spoiler: Sylvesters reasons for this. (contains LN major spoilers)

Sylvester has always attempted to remove his mother from power for various reasons. His mothers faction is his powerbase but due to her influence she has more authority over them than he does and it has caused major issues for the people he cares about. He couldnt overtly move against her due to how powerful her faction was and if he tried removing her via the usual ways he would find himself dealing with a civil war and outed. He first tried via reducing her influence and found himself stopped at every turn by his retainers and her people. He couldnt just eliminate her either because of his feeling towards her and what her faction would do after she died.

This plan was all him. All of his retainers, the opposing faction, and even Ferdinand didnt know about it. Hell Ferdinand only learned about his intent to adopt myne when he saw the black charm. Sylvester gave the charm to myne not only to protect her and give him justification to directly intervene for her but also as a deliberate trap for his mother. He may not have known precisely how she would have gotten involved but due to the high bishops constant abuses he figured she would get involved and then could he reduce/remove her influence. Luckily for him she left evidence of her committing a unforgivable crime that he can use to formally arrest her and her faction doesnt have much justification to rebel since it is one of those crimes that is well within his rights to punish accordingly.

 

[Ferreas]

I thought that it was a Warhammer 40k reference. As some Ork once said - "DA RED WUNZ GO FASTA!!!"

It's not directly stated, but I believe it is a 40k reference.

Exchange about color in the novel:

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“Why is ‘Red Myne’ one of your suggestions? Your color would be blue based on your birth, midnight blue based on your hair, or gold based on your eyes. Where are you getting red from?”

“I don’t really understand this myself, but red versions of people tend to be, like, stronger, or faster.”

Sylvester gave me a weird look, but I was basing that off of something my childhood friend from my Urano days had told me, so I didn’t really have a strong grasp on the concept myself.

 

[Asmordeus]

Oh we are close to the end of part 2. I'm so excited for it so I can finaly start reading part 3!

Thanks for the translation!

 

[lazyman26]

I’ve read the whole LN and its appendix, and this part kinda has the weakest reasoning in the entire novel in my opinion.

Like, yes, he acquired a single individual with high noble’s mana, a whole new industry, and otherworldly knowledge, but he would need to sacrifice his mother’s entire faction which holds is entire duchy together, I’m not sure it’s a sound decision if I were him.

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it makes sense actually, he had planned to get rid of both his mother and her faction before Myne even show up. Myne's existence is like the tipping point that push him to go forward, make him "think" that it would "worth the trouble" with her mana/talents/industry

 

[fight2live]

i haven't read the LN but i have a suspicion that the next chapter will be a tearjerker

 

[eng1]

So on that note.

Spoiler: Sylvesters reasons for this. (contains LN major spoilers)

Sylvester has always attempted to remove his mother from power for various reasons. His mothers faction is his powerbase but due to her influence she has more authority over them than he does and it has caused major issues for the people he cares about. He couldnt overtly move against her due to how powerful her faction was and if he tried removing her via the usual ways he would find himself dealing with a civil war and outed. He first tried via reducing her influence and found himself stopped at every turn by his retainers and her people. He couldnt just eliminate her either because of his feeling towards her and what her faction would do after she died.

This plan was all him. All of his retainers, the opposing faction, and even Ferdinand didnt know about it. Hell Ferdinand only learned about his intent to adopt myne when he saw the black charm. Sylvester gave the charm to myne not only to protect her and give him justification to directly intervene for her but also as a deliberate trap for his mother. He may not have known precisely how she would have gotten involved but due to the high bishops constant abuses he figured she would get involved and then could he reduce/remove her influence. Luckily for him she left evidence of her committing a unforgivable crime that he can use to formally arrest her and her faction doesnt have much justification to rebel since it is one of those crimes that is well within his rights to punish accordingly.

I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

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Fernand is very good at acting and pretending. You see this multiple times in the series where Fernand pretends to be ignorant or says something only for it to be a lie or him covering stuff up.

There is a reason he was called the King of evil in his school days known for underhanded tactics. While Fernand hasn't said anything it isn't unlikely he manipulated the situation. He is even willing to deceive gods if he must.

He only acted this way to get Myne to make up her resolve. Because Myne sacrificing herself for her family will give her more motivation than just being taken away.

Fernand is also known for tricking people into making decisions that make people think it is their own choice to manipulate them. He is literally the typical evil mastermind character

The only thing keeping Fernand in check is his promise to the father. If not for that Fernand could have already been king of the entire country and executed all his enemies. That and him being so focused on his research and too busy to bother

 

[hazzack]

Personally, I prefer Rozemyne. Cuz Z make her sound stronger.

Rozemyne Z does sound stronger, armed with extra rocket punch and photon beam

 

[dragonstar457]

I wouldn't jump to conclusions so quickly.

Spoiler

Fernand is very good at acting and pretending. You see this multiple times in the series where Fernand pretends to be ignorant or says something only for it to be a lie or him covering stuff up.

There is a reason he was called the King of evil in his school days known for underhanded tactics. While Fernand hasn't said anything it isn't unlikely he manipulated the situation. He is even willing to deceive gods if he must.

He only acted this way to get Myne to make up her resolve. Because Myne sacrificing herself for her family will give her more motivation than just being taken away.

Fernand is also known for tricking people into making decisions that make people think it is their own choice to manipulate them. He is literally the typical evil mastermind character

The only thing keeping Fernand in check is his promise to the father. If not for that Fernand could have already been king of the entire country and executed all his enemies. That and him being so focused on his research and too busy to bother

I personally disagree though maybe i missed something.

Spoiler: Bookworm LN Spoilers

So one of the reasons i think ferdinand did not know about Sylvesters plan was mostly due to various actions he took before and his reaction to the black charm.

When Sylvester went to the forest with the orphans he came back and gave the black charm to myne. at that point Sylvester intended to adopt her and Benno mentioned that Sylvester told him that he planned to take Myne and that spreading the printing industry will accelerate alot when she becomes his adopted daughter. However right after he gave the charm to her she met with Ferdinand and after reviewing the potential impact of the printing press tried to convince her to accept being adopted by karstedt right then instead of in 2 years.If he had known about Sylvester giving her the adoption necklace he wouldnt have suggested her being adopted by karstedt since that would go against sylvesters will and potentially go against his promise to his dad.


Another reason I believe he didnt know was when he came out of his office to see the fight between Myne against Bindlewald and the High Bishop he didnt bring up the charm when he got close to Myne before she brought it out. if he had known he could easily have slipped her a sound-blocking tool and told her to either stamp her blood on it or see if she had already activated it. If he had known that she had that charm or was being adopted by Sylvester and not just karstedt he wouldnt have needed to act how he did when he exited his office. He likely would have just calmly strode over to her and told her what she needed to do to save her family. He would start with telling her there is a way out if she is willing to take it and then when she agrees he tells her to stamp the charm if she hadnt already. Except he didnt do any of that until after she took out the charm, he asked her what it was, and saw it was already activated for a bit before then telling her what she needed to do. His reactions told me that her having the charm was a legitmate surprise and not that she had already activated it.

The only plan Ferdinand knew about before he saw the black charm was the plan to get Myne to become a noble and then spread the printing industry with sylvesters support. Also the plan to obtain myne likely would have gone quite differently and smoothly since ferdinand is a expert at that sort of political plotting and minimizing risk.

 

[Someone011]

Like, if it were other nobles I’d have no doubt they’d pull the move without a second thought, but it’s Sylvester.

He’s characterized by his doting mother, begrudging sister, and he only became motivated to be a better person just to woo his crush. We know he’s a decent person, and he knows when to act as a proper aub when needed. And likely because of the last one that made him do it. It doesn’t seem like his wife nudged him on this matter either.

Still, I just find it hard for me to believe that he had it in him. That Sylvester the Aub would overcome Sylvester the person and do it.

To be fair, it's no longer about if Sylvester "has it in him" any longer, as I said Veronica "twisted his arm" into decisive action. (even in this chapter you can see Sylvester say "and whose fault is that?" when Bezenwanst asks "you would make your own mother into a criminal?" showing that he can't do naught but punish his own mother.)
He can no longer look the other way.

Even if we are to assume he could not act as a proper Aub against his mother for emotional reasons, without his crush's "push", he would certainly do so in order to protect Ferdinand.

(this part is my assertion, of what might have happened)
If he showed leniency towards his mother and had hidden her involvement with his uncle's dealings, chances are she would use her power to absolve her beloved brother, the best if not only way to do so, is for Bezenwanst's claim that "the commoners" Ferdinand and Myne attacked him are true (and we know Veronica loathes Ferdinand, enough to even send assassins against him.), so she might use that as an excuse to accuse Ferdinand of being the perpetrator in all of this, in a bid to undermine her son's rule etc.
(assertion ends here)

And let's face it, she's a noble, her "sentence" will at best be confinement in some luxury estate in the duchy , and at worst she'll be sent to be "confined" in some equally luxury estate in a rural area, followed by a plethora of servants to see to her every need.

 

[wakanana]

I’ve read the whole LN and its appendix, and this part kinda has the weakest reasoning in the entire novel in my opinion.

Like, yes, he acquired a single individual with high noble’s mana, a whole new industry, and otherworldly knowledge, but he would need to sacrifice his mother’s entire faction which holds is entire duchy together, I’m not sure it’s a sound decision if I were him.

He's not in control with his mother behind the scenes. Also, his mother's legit unhinged and has been antagonizing a lot of nobles and causing strife in the duchy for a long time.

 

[nathan67003]

 

[mahtan]

Aaaand, again, breach of contract Ferdnand should be dying.

 

[Liquidxlax]

Could be less of a "Languish in this terrible cell" and more of a "House arrest in a nice mansion with maids to prevent her from doing things that end up causing problems for him."

I think she'd be under more like house arrest outside of the palace in a smaller mansion with limited resources, but far more than the commoners and more than a minor noble.

I think he also considered Ferdinand's situation in that.
After all, it was Sylvester who told Ferdinand to enter the temple to escape Veronica's persecution, with full intention to bring him back to noble society later on. So he already planned to usurp his mother's reign one day, or else Ferdinand would have to wait until she croaks naturally.

I don't know much about European monarchies and polygamy as the story seems closer to that then Chinese monarchies, but the women vying for power definitely seems Chinese like.

 

[daedalron]

Aaaand, again, breach of contract Ferdnand should be dying.

What are you talking about???
At that point in the story, I can't remember any magic contract Ferdinand would be under...

 

[eng1]

I personally disagree though maybe i missed something.

Spoiler: Bookworm LN Spoilers

So one of the reasons i think ferdinand did not know about Sylvesters plan was mostly due to various actions he took before and his reaction to the black charm.

When Sylvester went to the forest with the orphans he came back and gave the black charm to myne. at that point Sylvester intended to adopt her and Benno mentioned that Sylvester told him that he planned to take Myne and that spreading the printing industry will accelerate alot when she becomes his adopted daughter. However right after he gave the charm to her she met with Ferdinand and after reviewing the potential impact of the printing press tried to convince her to accept being adopted by karstedt right then instead of in 2 years.If he had known about Sylvester giving her the adoption necklace he wouldnt have suggested her being adopted by karstedt since that would go against sylvesters will and potentially go against his promise to his dad.


Another reason I believe he didnt know was when he came out of his office to see the fight between Myne against Bindlewald and the High Bishop he didnt bring up the charm when he got close to Myne before she brought it out. if he had known he could easily have slipped her a sound-blocking tool and told her to either stamp her blood on it or see if she had already activated it. If he had known that she had that charm or was being adopted by Sylvester and not just karstedt he wouldnt have needed to act how he did when he exited his office. He likely would have just calmly strode over to her and told her what she needed to do to save her family. He would start with telling her there is a way out if she is willing to take it and then when she agrees he tells her to stamp the charm if she hadnt already. Except he didnt do any of that until after she took out the charm, he asked her what it was, and saw it was already activated for a bit before then telling her what she needed to do. His reactions told me that her having the charm was a legitmate surprise and not that she had already activated it.

The only plan Ferdinand knew about before he saw the black charm was the plan to get Myne to become a noble and then spread the printing industry with sylvesters support. Also the plan to obtain myne likely would have gone quite differently and smoothly since ferdinand is a expert at that sort of political plotting and minimizing risk.

So about that

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Could he really not know about the neckless? Think about it, the necklace as a magic stone should have some magic power. Fernand would be sensitive enough to know, especially since Myne is dyed in his mana.

As for the adoption by kardest, it has to happen anyways, adopted daughter or not. He wanted her to be mentally prepared and convince her.

Not to mention this trap was laid out but there was no guarantee the other side would bite.

End of the day there was no reason for Fernand to bind Myne even if she didn't use the necklace. His status means he doesn't have to listen to them. And the archduke himself entrusted him with taking care of her. He publicly announced it too. Why would he violate the archduke's order? Kardasets daughter is also enough of a status to protect her. He could have just had her admit that.

The answer is he did this on purpose so that Myne would do it willingly. He know Myne is reluctant to become a noble, so he did it to pressure her into making it seem like her own will. He does this multiple times in the series, tricking Myne into doing stuff willingly and she grumbles about it but admits she can't say anything because end of the day she chose herself and it all turned out well.

Of course I am not saying he told or tricked Syvester into giving the necklace.I am saying he likely knew about it and utilized it as part of his plan. Not that I am discounting the possibility. We don't get to know much about Fernand

 

[daedalron]

So about that

Spoiler

Could he really not know about the neckless? Think about it, the necklace as a magic stone should have some magic power. Fernand would be sensitive enough to know, especially since Myne is dyed in his mana.

As for the adoption by kardest, it has to happen anyways, adopted daughter or not. He wanted her to be mentally prepared and convince her.

Not to mention this trap was laid out but there was no guarantee the other side would bite.

End of the day there was no reason for Fernand to bind Myne even if she didn't use the necklace. His status means he doesn't have to listen to them. And the archduke himself entrusted him with taking care of her. He publicly announced it too. Why would he violate the archduke's order? Kardasets daughter is also enough of a status to protect her. He could have just had her admit that.

The answer is he did this on purpose so that Myne would do it willingly. He know Myne is reluctant to become a noble, so he did it to pressure her into making it seem like her own will. He does this multiple times in the series, tricking Myne into doing stuff willingly and she grumbles about it but admits she can't say anything because end of the day she chose herself and it all turned out well.

Of course I am not saying he told or tricked Syvester into giving the necklace.I am saying he likely knew about it and utilized it as part of his plan. Not that I am discounting the possibility. We don't get to know much about Fernand

The Anime season 3 special SS "Intuition and Charm" contradicts this. It clearly states from Sylvester's point of view that Ferdinand had no plans for Myne entering the archducal family. They discussed it after Ferdinand reporting about Myne's past life memories, and Ferdinand was in fact against taking Myne in the archducal family. Making the necklace and giving it to Myne was a decision from Sylvester alone.
It doesn't clearly says if Sylvester would have told Ferdinand after making the charm and giving it (the SS ends before that), but given Ferdinand's surprise when he sees the charm, it is more likely Sylvester didn't tell him about it since he knew Ferdinand was against it.

 

[Otaku-Sama]

I am going to miss this manga a lot when it ends ;w; ... but I am also going to binge the hell out of Part 3.
How is the art there? Afaik, the artist changes. Quite a shame... this artist draws any of the following parts or just 1 & 2?