Bouryoku Banzai

[satirn]

Wow, this is great, glad I found this one. Rikudou is a fun character.

 

[Balikatik]

I’m just going by what the manga is “trying” to convey, I don’t have any profound essay on violence. That opening sentence was simply a joke setup to dunk on how dead the manga is.

My point is if you’re gonna write a thinly veiled fanservice manga that betrays the theme not even a quarter way in…at least make it fun to read & give the characters more than the personality of a cone?

Well, I'm gonna say it from the start, I disagree with you, but not completely, though it might kinda be true for now, I think it's still too early to expect any kind of development in the characters when the manga's not even reached chapter 25 or so yet. I think it's because most manga's/manhwa's nowadays make the most of the "development" the start of the story, like in regression type stories and all, in which characters experience growth in strength but not much mentally after. I may still be wrong though, maybe the mangaka is gonna mess it all up.

 

[Balikatik]

I’m just going by what the manga is “trying” to convey, I don’t have any profound essay on violence. That opening sentence was simply a joke setup to dunk on how dead the manga is.

My point is if you’re gonna write a thinly veiled fanservice manga that betrays the theme not even a quarter way in…at least make it fun to read & give the characters more than the personality of a cone?

By the way I may have a good recommendation for you according to what you said: "Fight class 3"

It's got a LOT of development and actual life in it, lots of thematics on actual intricate philosophy. like transhumanism, Nietzsche's ubermensch with the three metamorphoses and his "eternal reccurrence"(separate from the ubermensch), Carl Jung's "Jungian shadow", Jean-Paul Sartre's "bad faith", existancialization of pain. Kierkegaard's notion of despair in "the sickness unto death"(acceptance of ones true self). Existential Nihilism, Nihilism, Scepticism. The ship of Theseus (of Plutarch, Thomas hobes), metaphysics, Quantum physics, Ontology, John Locke's "Tabula rasa" in adequation with Empiricism. Marxism, references to Korean folk culture(not to an excessive degree, it's actually quite hard to see it), direct reference to Dave Grossman's "psychology of Murder", a lot of determinism, all that topped with a LOT of sociology, Psychology, and references to religion(In general). You'll need some good reading comprehension to discern them all though. Might check out the subreddit as well to understand better if somethings look strange or sudden in the story. It's not some kind of futuristic superhuman story or anything, it's a story about a 17yo student in modern Korea, and I hope I didn't make it seem like some kind of depressing story fixated on killing or something like that, because it's not(most part).

 

[Balikatik]

I’m just going by what the manga is “trying” to convey, I don’t have any profound essay on violence. That opening sentence was simply a joke setup to dunk on how dead the manga is.

My point is if you’re gonna write a thinly veiled fanservice manga that betrays the theme not even a quarter way in…at least make it fun to read & give the characters more than the personality of a cone?

Sorry for the long ass answer btw.

 

[nickstapez]

Sorry for the long ass answer btw.

All good man. Love discussing things with ppl. Have been trying to get back into writing anyway so you helped out.

I’m quite familiar with a lot of the existential philosophies/philosophers you’re listing since I’ve written some anime related analyses using ppl like Neitzsche & Sartre as references ad-nauseam. Also own Jung’s “Man & his Symbols”. Appreciate the recommendation I’ll check it out

 

[Sigilbreaker26]

Especially in the chap where the girl was fighting the MMA guy. He was actually the more violent one [literally snapping the girl’s neck in half to make sure he didn’t lose]. & the girl somehow survived that, then won through a regular sleeping hold.

That didn't happen, it was a hallucination

 

[BearSenpai]

Fear? SHOW NO FEAR!!!!!

 

[satirn]

This is Akita's graduation, the battle with the knife. He's a real fighter now.

 

[nickstapez]

That didn't happen, it was a hallucination

You’re right. But the point of his dream was to show that he was never gonna win no matter how much damage he did to her. Meaning he was more violent, but she just has some abnormal level of durability. The logic of the story is broken either way.

And I don’t even have a problem with her winning, just the author insisting on this cringe edgelord violence theme that goes against the reason she won. Just a very cringe read

 

[Sheppard123]

You’re right. But the point of his dream was to show that he was never gonna win no matter how much damage he did to her. Meaning he was more violent, but she just has some abnormal level of durability. The logic of the story is broken either way.

And I don’t even have a problem with her winning, just the author insisting on this cringe edgelord violence theme that goes against the reason she won. Just a very cringe read

The hallucination showed that he would of won in a alternate universe where he went all out. She literally brought up the point throughout the fight that he was basically restricted by societal rules and image while she was able to do everything in her power to knock him out.

So yes, if the MMA fighter wanted to kill her he could easily do it, but why would he when it risks his chances at his dreams, going to prison, and being seen as a scumbag who slimes out women in a spar

 

[Disfi9ure]

Well the knife just ruined the whole story by allowing weapons. You can just pop everyone you see with guns now it’s so boring and makes mma pointless

 

[Disfi9ure]

Well the knife just ruined the whole story by allowing weapons. You can just pop everyone you see with guns now it’s so boring and makes mma pointless

And you can also just toss a grenade at someone what are they gonna do about it

 

[Astrotrain]

q

 

[Astrotrain]

This manga doesn’t know what it wants to be, tries to be an erotica, then it tries do be some educational mma manga then it tries to be shounen manga.

Like if you want it to be educational on mixed martial arts don’t then have some completely unrealistic sht happening for the sake of looking cool, a petite woman leading with a flying armbar on a ufc heavyweight champion without any setup and actually working is the dumbest thing ever.

Either just make it a generic fighting manga or a proper fighting manga. Or a erotica is fine to but not a fan of dipping your toes in something and then switching to another

 

[Solipsist]

This manga doesn’t know what it wants to be, tries to be an erotica, then it tries do be some educational mma manga then it tries to be shounen manga.

Like if you want it to be educational on mixed martial arts don’t then have some completely unrealistic sht happening for the sake of looking cool, a petite woman leading with a flying armbar on a ufc heavyweight champion without any setup and actually working is the dumbest thing ever.

Either just make it a generic fighting manga or a proper fighting manga. Or a erotica is fine to but not a fan of dipping your toes in something and then switching to another

Definitely.
This one has a confusing mix of realism, and shounen tropes.
It's very jarring, but I feel like it overall works if you just ignore 90% of the text.
That's how I read up Tsuyoshi. It's even dumber than this manga, but equally enjoyable if you just skip all the stupid filler bullshit.

 

[nickstapez]

The hallucination showed that he would of won in a alternate universe where he went all out. She literally brought up the point throughout the fight that he was basically restricted by societal rules and image while she was able to do everything in her power to knock him out.

So yes, if the MMA fighter wanted to kill her he could easily do it, but why would he when it risks his chances at his dreams, going to prison, and being seen as a scumbag who slimes out women in a spar

This would be the absolute worst case scenario. All that would amount to is the MMA fighter being right to hold back, & let the girl win bc him being more violent wouldn’t even be worth it. Which just makes the girl’s violence ideology delusional. The fighter letting the girl win would just be the author disproving the main ideology of his own manga & agreeing with the MMA guy.

Added onto the fact that she technically didn’t do everything in her power & was playing by the same rules considering it wouldn’t be below her to just stab/shoot the guy since violence apparently rules the world. This story has an identity crisis💀

 

[Balikatik]

This manga doesn’t know what it wants to be, tries to be an erotica, then it tries do be some educational mma manga then it tries to be shounen manga.

Like if you want it to be educational on mixed martial arts don’t then have some completely unrealistic sht happening for the sake of looking cool, a petite woman leading with a flying armbar on a ufc heavyweight champion without any setup and actually working is the dumbest thing ever.

Either just make it a generic fighting manga or a proper fighting manga. Or a erotica is fine to but not a fan of dipping your toes in something and then switching to another

What about a story just being a story? If you're really stuck up on classifying it in single precise genre/theme then you might as well not read any stories at all. Every of the most liked manga's in the world are actually the ones that have large pallets of genres and subjects towards which they extend. You probably were just excited about seeing some sexy sht seeing how much you talk about the erotica part, but then got upset because it was not much of an erotica manga.(Nah just playing with you on this one, but please realize how d*mb what you said was, you might, and have the right to not like the manga, but trying to justify it with shtty arguments such as those...)

 

[Balikatik]

This manga doesn’t know what it wants to be, tries to be an erotica, then it tries do be some educational mma manga then it tries to be shounen manga.

Like if you want it to be educational on mixed martial arts don’t then have some completely unrealistic sht happening for the sake of looking cool, a petite woman leading with a flying armbar on a ufc heavyweight champion without any setup and actually working is the dumbest thing ever.

Either just make it a generic fighting manga or a proper fighting manga. Or a erotica is fine to but not a fan of dipping your toes in something and then switching to another

Btw I'm not saying this manga is good or giving any opinion about it, I'm only commenting your way of thinking.

 

[Late_Komei]

Series getting another reprint.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010600753086533744

 

[Cheeseyboi_uwu]

I love how crazy this manga is! I love the fights no matter how goofy they can seem and I love the characters so much!