Taida na Akujoku Kizoku ni Tensei Shita Ore, Scenario wo Bukkowa Shitara Kikaku-gai no Maryoku de Saikyou ni Natta - Ch. 17 - Necessary Evil and Abso…

[MangaDex]

 

[Slingerman]

Wait, you mean students in this school do something other than fight?! 🤯

Thanks for the scanlation.

 

[razorshaleh]

hey Milk-sensei, appreciate weiss who is yapping, don't sleeping (welp, indeed this chapter is 90% yapping and 10% training to fight)

Thank you for translating

 

[DRaily]

So either our boi is really strongly pro slavery or the original is having way more influence on him lately.

 

[windfang]

MC understand the "gray" territory well,
something forcefully fixed won't actually solve the issue...
yes slave is definitely bad,
but abolish the system without proper way to handle the aftermath may result in some unexpected issue

 

[Jstar338]

So either our boi is really strongly pro slavery or the original is having way more influence on him lately.

What part of "isn't necessarily evil" went over your head? He's pointing out essentially the only pro, being that children aren't dying from starvation

 

[UdenEmpati]

So either our boi is really strongly pro slavery or the original is having way more influence on him lately.

I don't remember if it was a previous chapter, or one of the novel versions that goes into more detail - but MC is not "pro slavery", but very much understanding of why it exists in this world, and just how difficult it would be to abolish as a practice.
As in - looking at just IRL USA history, a literal war was fought over it. And the ramifications still echo through the country's history into the present.

He lays out some of it here - he's just annoyed at the empty idealism and vacuous platitudes that Allen expresses, because it's really easy to say "[Thing] is bad", when you're not also following that statement up with meaningful steps to actually walk that talk.
He is on the record somewhere as thinking slavery is abhorrent, but he's also considering just how immense tackling the removal of that system would be, given the uphill battle of facing off against all of the nobility that not only relies on, but economically thrives on it - the situation of all the people formerly in bondage, the actual economic impact that would have to be addressed - both in terms of the removal of that labor pool, but also the money to pay them to work, the housing, clothing, food, medical care, and more they would all require, and so on.
And he also acknowledges that, in some senses, children put into bondage who've lost their families to war, abandonment, famine/disease and so on, are given some modicum of stability and material guarantee, if not comfort. It's clearly not good, but for the present moment, it means they're not on the streets either dying or resorting to violence and theft, creating downstream issues for society at large.

TL;DR Weiss is super pragmatic about the realities of it while being personally against it; Allen is 100% emotion and idealistic rhetoric but offers zero actionable solutions.


But it would seem that, where Allen is concerned, the OG Weiss is more prone to coming to the surface than normal, and in ways MC can't always anticipate and control.

 

[Sunji27]

You should've punch him

 

[AHOLEISAHOLE]

Jeez, MC's being "Okay" with slavery existing always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, IMO it really bugs me to the point where I just can't continue some of the stories I read, it angers me further when story goes, "Oh but it's actually not as bad as you think it its!" and list reasons why it's necessary. Like dawg, it's still just slavery??? Why are you preaching this to me like it's a positive thing?? Idk, I guess I keep thinking back to the a saying floating around the internet, I'm paraphrasing here but it went something along the lines of,
"Never argue with somebody John Brown would have shot."
Is it too much to ask for an MC that just doesn't give a damn about another world's views on slavery and does what he can to abolish it?
That being said, did you guys know there's a John Brown isekai story? Go check it out if you got the time.

 

[jenev]

Milk-sensei, an intellectual: "This dude is living rent-free inside you. Kinda sussy. "

 

[Akudia94]

Is it too much to ask for an MC that just doesn't give a damn about another world's views on slavery and does what he can to abolish it?

like how? without creating massive economic, social and kingdom stability issue. either way, bloodbath going to happen like how America civil war did. so if you suggesting that he need to do what he can to abolish it, please tell the best method to do it as Weiss.

if not, you just like Allen, idealism without touching the reality.

 

[DiscountJoJo]

IDK if its just my stupidity but I felt really confused for a solid moment with wtf Weiss was even talking about. IDK maybe it was the way it was shown or smthn, the whole conflict with allen from last chapter that leads into this one turns out to be about slavery? Okay, interesting I guess? maybe it could've been conveyed more clearly but then again my brain is about as smooth as a fucking polished rock so who knows

 

[Iwantrobux]

Jeez, MC's being "Okay" with slavery existing always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, IMO it really bugs me to the point where I just can't continue some of the stories I read, it angers me further when story goes, "Oh but it's actually not as bad as you think it its!" and list reasons why it's necessary. Like dawg, it's still just slavery??? Why are you preaching this to me like it's a positive thing?? Idk, I guess I keep thinking back to the a saying floating around the internet, I'm paraphrasing here but it went something along the lines of,
"Never argue with somebody John Brown would have shot."
Is it too much to ask for an MC that just doesn't give a damn about another world's views on slavery and does what he can to abolish it?
That being said, did you guys know there's a John Brown isekai story? Go check it out if you got the time.

this is the equalivant to getting mad at someone for having a schizophrenic episode. Making actual effort to remove the highly developed issue would take alot of PRECIOUS time and planning for how the world works in that setting. Imagine, I gave you an unskippable SIDE quest to grow a sustainable tomato farm. However the main quest is to literally not die by anyone who doesn’t like your presence at any time. And the average thug in that world can probably(struggle) kill a whole football team bare-handed.

 

[BananowyJE]

Just because you aren't wrong, doesn't mean that you are right.
But I understand that perspective. Fixing slavery would require flipping the country's policies upside down, changing the way many products are produced, taking care of the people who would end up as a slaves in the future, while making sure that the current freed slaves would find a legal way to provide for themselves.
You can't just free them up and tell them to live however they want. Something similar was in Arslan Senki.

 

[sailor-erida]

Oh no, eng translation going ahead)

 

[Jon]

like how?

My brother in Christ, we're reading a fictional story about a guy trapped inside of another guy inside of another world. Another world where literal magic exists. Where people become super-human through effort.

The guy writing this could have, at any point during the writing and editing phases, decided to not introduce slavery. Yet he did, and on top of that is having the protagonist defend it. What good is free labor anyway when a group of magicly roided muscle wizards can do the work of a thousand men? The whole thing is edge for the sake of being edgy.

 

[InfiniteRB]

like how? without creating massive economic, social and kingdom stability issue. either way, bloodbath going to happen like how America civil war did. so if you suggesting that he need to do what he can to abolish it, please tell the best method to do it as Weiss.

if not, you just like Allen, idealism without touching the reality.

Most Western countries that practiced slavery abolished it without a civil war. The United States is a unique case, where the American Civil War is borne out of the conflict between the landowning slaver class that had been the predominant faction of the wealthy/rich population through the country's existence up until that point, and the new industrial classes (capitalist and worker alike) that opposed slavery both for moral reasons and financial reasons. Elsewhere in the West the landowners used serfdom, not chattle slavery, but this too largely fell in time as national governments centralized their authority and needed more free manpower for their armies. Slavery abolition is entirely possible by reform, but it largely revolves around transforming the nation's economy to end dependence on it as a source of labor.

 

[Pen3]

then again my brain is about as smooth as a fucking polished rock so who knows

Get good you smooth brain knuckle dragger. Learn the teachings of Yakub.

 

[Geurjakha]

The MC is simply arguing that the only way to feed orphans is to enslave them, what's the big deal?

 

[Maverun]

Oh it's about slavery lol.