Kusunoki-san wa Koukou Debut ni Shippai Shite Iru - Ch. 48 - If I don't keep the proper distance, something might change

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That felt random and came outta nowhere....
Kinda feels like they needed to force kusonoki to advance their relationship with contrivance
Think this is why im still a hebibro
hebi and keisuke's relationship just feels more organic
Hebikawa didnt want to force a kiss she wasn't ready for so she didnt go for it
while Kusonoki just gets a free kiss with no build up or free choice of her own
Just kinda feels unnatural
I think that's just how stories like this work. The kiss will definitely weigh on Kusunoki for the next few chapters as well. Once Hebikawa gets wind of this, it'll also be something she has to weigh on. We'll just have to see how Mitsuki-sensei will proceed.
Though honestly, while the kiss is kusunoKINO, I think Hebikawa and Keisuke kissing would've been better and more satisfying and I agree with your sentiment. The guy still has lingering feelings and should realize that Hebi being "mean" was a misunderstanding as we saw. It doesn't seem like Keisuke still gets her but I'm saying too much ATP.
 
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.... It feels like in retrospect, that the snake girl has ZERO social skills and what she thought was her attempt of wooing her crush was actually really insulting and traumatizing for the boy on the receiving end of her manga-story book like flirtations. Because that's how she's behaving! She's behaving like a literal manga archetype of the femme fatale character, which fails miserably in "real life". I kind of actually dig it. It's a unique kind of twist that I haven't seen before. Sure there have been chunni archetypes in manga stories like, they're dime a dozen, but actually pulled off from an outside perspective, with only minimal amount of telling the reader and focusing more on showing is great to see.

Sure the pacing issue is something a lot of mangas share, but I really like the story between the three main characters. They have a unique spin on the more common manga slice of life romance archetypes.
 
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People read these things like they are some kind of sports betting event instead of appreciating characters for what the contribute to a story. They project themselves onto the mc, and try to pick who they like most because they fit their shallow perspective instead of asking. "Who do we think is the best match for this character" not "Who do I think is the best match for me".

Do we think a character who essentially bullied this character, and only really is chasing after him to get under someone else's skin is the best match for him?

Do we really think that a character who caused trauma, and is still trying to just stir the pot is best for this character?

Do we really think that a character who has not even tried to redeem themselves, and has done everything in their power to be a bad person is the right choice for this character?

I feel like the people who are commenting slandering one character to try and lift up another are just trying to contribute to a toxic discourse instead of actually analyzing characters. Thats just my opinion I guess.

I don't mind the snake girl because she does contribute to the story, and adds tension. Do I think she is a good match for the mc? No not at all.

In all fairness - this isn't even like watching/betting on a sports event, because we all know the foregone conclusion of what happens with any eventual romance among the characters.

I would gladly bet $25/equivalent thereof to a charity of choice on any resulting relationship being between Kusunoki & Keisuke, because I don't think the author has it in them to aim for any other ending. And that is because other than Hebikawa's inclusion, this is a pretty stock standard romcom affair, right down to the character portrayals, their mannerisms, the plot as it pertains to said characters, and so on.
To that end - I'm of the opinion that the reason some people root for someone like Hebikawa, is because we all know she has no chance. Maybe it's simple contrarianism, but for some people it's more fun to "root for the losing horse" and talk shit about the obvious favorite.
That's not to say it's correct or a good thing, but there will always be some people who prefer to go against the grain, especially when the stakes are nonexistent like the outcome of a school-age romcom heroine contest.

You're correct that, realistically, Hebikawa would be a terrible choice for romance partner for Keisuke, at least as things currently stand. But that isn't what at least some of the people you're singling out here are thinking of, I'd imagine.

And to their credit - Hebikawa is the most narratively interesting character of this series, and I maintain my ongoing argument that without her, this wouldn't be nearly as novel of a title. Her inclusion is unusual enough and outside the common forumalae for romcom manga, that she'd understandably get outsized attention--and some of it will be negative, and some of it will be positive.
But even the chapters without her still see her getting mentioned, and that's connected to the fact she's an outlier. So she gets haters, because of who she is to the other characters, but she'll get fans as well, because she's still a contender for "winning heroine", however unlikely her chances may be.
 
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I know that what I'm about to say make me sounds like a total snek lover but I hope that Kusunoki and the MC don't end up together just for... you know kill the "trope". Oh well I really kusunoki btw and Moe is cute




(I'm a total snek lover guys)
 
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People read these things like they are some kind of sports betting event instead of appreciating characters for what the contribute to a story. They project themselves onto the mc, and try to pick who they like most because they fit their shallow perspective instead of asking. "Who do we think is the best match for this character" not "Who do I think is the best match for me".

Do we think a character who essentially bullied this character, and only really is chasing after him to get under someone else's skin is the best match for him?

Do we really think that a character who caused trauma, and is still trying to just stir the pot is best for this character?

Do we really think that a character who has not even tried to redeem themselves, and has done everything in their power to be a bad person is the right choice for this character?

I feel like the people who are commenting slandering one character to try and lift up another are just trying to contribute to a toxic discourse instead of actually analyzing characters. Thats just my opinion I guess.

I don't mind the snake girl because she does contribute to the story, and adds tension. Do I think she is a good match for the mc? No not at all.
Why do we have to want what's best for Keisuke? Wanting a happy ending doesn't make you better at literary criticism lmao. I just wanna see our black haired king and queen give birth to the demon lord.
 
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In all fairness - this isn't even like watching/betting on a spots event, because we all know the foregone conclusion of what happens with any eventual romance among the characters.

I would gladly bet $25/equivalent thereof to a charity of choice on any resulting relationship being between Kusunoki & Keisuke, because I don't think the author has it in them to aim for any other ending. And that is because other than Hebikawa's inclusion, this is a pretty stock standard romcom affair, right down to the character portrayals, their mannerisms, the plot as it pertains to said characters, and so on.
To that end - I'm of the opinion that the reason some people root for someone like Hebikawa, is because we all know she has no chance. Maybe it's simple contrarianism, but for some people it's more fun to "root for the losing horse" and talk shit about the obvious favorite.
That's not to say it's correct or a good thing, but there will always be some people who prefer to go against the grain, especially when the stakes are nonexistent like the outcome of a school-age romcom heroine contest.

You're correct that, realistically, Hebikawa would be a terrible choice for romance partner for Keisuke, at least as things currently stand. But that isn't what at least some of the people you're singling out here are thinking of, I'd imagine.

And to their credit - Hebikawa is the most narratively interesting character of this series, and I maintain my ongoing argument that without her, this wouldn't be nearly as novel of a title. Her inclusion is unusual enough and outside the common forumalae for romcom manga, that she'd understandably get outsized attention--and some of it will be negative, and some of it will be positive.
But even the chapters without her still see her getting mentioned, and that's connected to the fact she's an outlier. So she gets haters, because of who she is to the other characters, but she'll get fans as well, because she's still a contender for "winning heroine", however unlikely her chances may be.
strongly agree. imo Kusunoki is the weakest of the three in terms of "oomph". Otobe and Hebi had much more impactful introductions compared to Kusunoki who just decided to be an assfly to MC. i know this doesn't make any sense, i can't express myself more clearly, 'cause ingrisu isn't my first language, so many things loses in translation. but yeah..
 
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Nose, broken. Teeth, chipped. Skull, concussed.

A "kiss" at that speed is... less than tender.
Ya I "kissed" a dude's forehead at a hardcore show once, fractured a tooth and he had to go to the ER to get a "fight bite" cleaned.
 
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In all fairness - this isn't even like watching/betting on a sports event, because we all know the foregone conclusion of what happens with any eventual romance among the characters.

I would gladly bet $25/equivalent thereof to a charity of choice on any resulting relationship being between Kusunoki & Keisuke, because I don't think the author has it in them to aim for any other ending. And that is because other than Hebikawa's inclusion, this is a pretty stock standard romcom affair, right down to the character portrayals, their mannerisms, the plot as it pertains to said characters, and so on.
To that end - I'm of the opinion that the reason some people root for someone like Hebikawa, is because we all know she has no chance. Maybe it's simple contrarianism, but for some people it's more fun to "root for the losing horse" and talk shit about the obvious favorite.
That's not to say it's correct or a good thing, but there will always be some people who prefer to go against the grain, especially when the stakes are nonexistent like the outcome of a school-age romcom heroine contest.

You're correct that, realistically, Hebikawa would be a terrible choice for romance partner for Keisuke, at least as things currently stand. But that isn't what at least some of the people you're singling out here are thinking of, I'd imagine.

And to their credit - Hebikawa is the most narratively interesting character of this series, and I maintain my ongoing argument that without her, this wouldn't be nearly as novel of a title. Her inclusion is unusual enough and outside the common forumalae for romcom manga, that she'd understandably get outsized attention--and some of it will be negative, and some of it will be positive.
But even the chapters without her still see her getting mentioned, and that's connected to the fact she's an outlier. So she gets haters, because of who she is to the other characters, but she'll get fans as well, because she's still a contender for "winning heroine", however unlikely her chances may be.
I can agree with you on this, and I am not trying to criticize the people actually analyzing the character per se. Obviously people are going to prefer what they prefer, and more power to them. What I am trying to criticize is people who just post "Snek girl gonna strike" or various other things. It just comes off as cringy "I want her to destroy me" kind of attitude. The "I don't want a normal girl i want someone who will kill me" kind of cringe mentality.

Also everyone who can't say good things about another character without putting another down for honestly no good reason.

Ofc we all know the outcome, but downplaying one character because they haven't "Been developed" so far when we are clearly just getting to the point where said character is going to get developed. It just comes off as only wanting to go against the grain simply because you want this story to "break the meta", and not because the character is actually a good match, or a character that actually resonates with them.

Most of the people commenting don't seem to actually have input, and just seem to want to stir the pot for attention.
 
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I can agree with you on this, and I am not trying to criticize the people actually analyzing the character per se. Obviously people are going to prefer what they prefer, and more power to them. What I am trying to criticize is people who just post "Snek girl gonna strike" or various other things. It just comes off as cringy "I want her to destroy me" kind of attitude. The "I don't want a normal girl i want someone who will kill me" kind of cringe mentality.

Also everyone who can't say good things about another character without putting another down for honestly no good reason.

Ofc we all know the outcome, but downplaying one character because they haven't "Been developed" so far when we are clearly just getting to the point where said character is going to get developed. It just comes off as only wanting to go against the grain simply because you want this story to "break the meta", and not because the character is actually a good match, or a character that actually resonates with them.

Most of the people commenting don't seem to actually have input, and just seem to want to stir the pot for attention.
I'm of a mind with you on
Most of the people commenting don't seem to actually have input, and just seem to want to stir the pot for attention
...but in the sense that it's just something that isn't exclusive to this thread here, that represents a not-insignificant amount of online "discourse" across all platforms and topics.
A lot of those comments--those you highlighted here, but really any of that sort of low-effort "vacuous" one-liner left on MangaDex, Reddit, Instagram, and so on--just read as "I was here" statements that contribute nothing to whatever's being discussed; taking them seriously or at face value, wherever you find them, is taking Noise and treating it as a Signal.

Taking this manga's forum posts as a specific example - chapter after chapter, you see people doing the same thing in favor of Otobe or in favor of Kusunoki, as well - but because Hebikawa is far-and-away the most divisive character, any comments in favor of her, or against her, will stand out more because people (I would argue understandably) get more "invested" in defending or deriding her place and portrayal within the narrative.

As far as the rest of your reply - we don't disagree, insofar as pointing out the disconnect between actual literary analysis versus more surface-level engagement with the story and the characters therein.
But again - focusing on Hebikawa will skew just how much of that same vacuous engagement in favor of Otobe and Kusunoki, because there's been a significant amount of "not-meaningful" interaction involving them, as well. You're right in that Hebikawa, at present, would be a bad match for Keisuke. But we've already been shown that she's more nuanced of a character than some people even now seem willing to admit (seemingly out of pure bias against her character), and I would honestly be surprised if she wasn't allowed the kind of character progression that sees her turn the corner on her manipulative behavior and misguided "character goal", and come out a better person.
That's not to say that she should get with Keisuke, but at the same time you can criticize those pushing against Kusunoki as "not allowing for character development", the very same could be said for those who have wished actual harm on Hebikawa (a fictional character) simply because she's the antagonist of the story, acting like she is incapable or unworthy of any sort of redemption arc by virtue of growing within the story and becoming a better person.

So really - it cuts both ways. And that doesn't absolve all the people leaving low-effort/no-effort comments that do nothing but "stir the pot" or otherwise contribute nothing of meaning or value, but there are valid criticisms to be made against any of the characters in this story.

It's a matter of separating out the stuff worthy of note from each chapter thread. focusing on the noise over the signal, or only calling out the noise that goes "against the wrong character", is going to only further muddy the waters when it comes to trying to meaningfully engage with the story and with the community seeking to seriously discuss it.
 

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