Moto Tansakusha no Ojii-chan: Mago ni Segamarete Dungeon Haishin o Hajimeta njaga, Nazeka Bazuriotta wai - Vol. 1 Ch. 9

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No need for a grand conspiracy or a disaster. Shifts in mentalities between generations, the rise is new technologies and tools and changes in needs can cause knowledge to disappear.

We lost the knowledge to build the Saturn V rocket by the mid-80s (the last mission to use one was in '73) and only recently built the SLS in '22. The knowledge to build a rocket powerful enough to get to the moon was lost in less than a full generation and took nearly 3 to develop something comparable.
Though forgetting that way requires that people either aren't doing the thing anymore or they are but a more popular tactic has replaced the forgotten one. Which is what makes something like this odd because a weak point seems like obviously useful information whether you are solo or in a team.

I guess it could be that it requires great personal skill to find the weak point and wearing it down slowly is the safer way for a team.
 
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No need for a grand conspiracy or a disaster. Shifts in mentalities between generations, the rise is new technologies and tools and changes in needs can cause knowledge to disappear.

We lost the knowledge to build the Saturn V rocket by the mid-80s (the last mission to use one was in '73) and only recently built the SLS in '22. The knowledge to build a rocket powerful enough to get to the moon was lost in less than a full generation and took nearly 3 to develop something comparable.
That would make sense if their methodologies rendered the old ways obsolete...but they don't. We see these noobs struggling left and right and they all universally agree the old man's methods are so good its kind of absurd. Its like if we all reverted back to landlines then got shocked when some old fart suggested we use over the air transmission for our phones
 
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he would do a very good coach in this. teaching them to survive and not struggle too much.
 
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That would make sense if their methodologies rendered the old ways obsolete...but they don't. We see these noobs struggling left and right and they all universally agree the old man's methods are so good its kind of absurd. Its like if we all reverted back to landlines then got shocked when some old fart suggested we use over the air transmission for our phones
I think the technologies and strategies just evolved too fast and moved in a direction towards safety, skills, and being in a party.

In my opinion, skills overshadowed these old time methods and paved way to new methods involving skills. It also kinda gave a shortcut where people can use skills to supplement their shortcomings (as we saw with that trolling group a few chapters ago. They aren't skilled fighters, but their skills made up for that and made them dangerous)
These old time methods require a lot of skill to even execute and they are mainly for solo hunters, which isn't the norm in this world.

Also, another theory I have is that these strategies and methods were not as widely spread as he would think. I would imagine that there were a lot of casualties during his time and people who knew of these strategies kept dying. So there wasn't really a lot of knowledge to go around. Either that or the strategies were really only localized in his area.
 
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That would make sense if their methodologies rendered the old ways obsolete...but they don't. We see these noobs struggling left and right and they all universally agree the old man's methods are so good its kind of absurd. Its like if we all reverted back to landlines then got shocked when some old fart suggested we use over the air transmission for our phones
It's closer to a bunch of people using a LLM to generate fairly bloated but working "vibe code" and then being shocked when someone shows them how efficient coding in C++ can be. Jobs and Skills are in effect LLMs used to explore and the current crop of explorers has not redeveloped the techniques or knowledge the first generation "seekers" did.

Also, another theory I have is that these strategies and methods were not as widely spread as he would think. I would imagine that there were a lot of casualties during his time and people who knew of these strategies kept dying. So there wasn't really a lot of knowledge to go around. Either that or the strategies were really only localized in his area.
Or they were widespread for their time but a sudden jump in number of explorers increased the difficulty to defuse the information until common knowledge was supplanted by Job and skill based information.
 
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No need for a grand conspiracy or a disaster. Shifts in mentalities between generations, the rise is new technologies and tools and changes in needs can cause knowledge to disappear.

We lost the knowledge to build the Saturn V rocket by the mid-80s (the last mission to use one was in '73) and only recently built the SLS in '22. The knowledge to build a rocket powerful enough to get to the moon was lost in less than a full generation and took nearly 3 to develop something comparable.
To also elaborate on the above: NASA didn't "lose the blueprints" or anything stupid like some people claim. We have all the documents you could want on the F1 engines and the Saturn V. The problem was that when every program moved away from the platform, the machines and the people (and by extention the tribal knowledge) was lost.

This is also what the T1 Trust who are building a new Pennsylvania Railroad T1 class steam locomotive ran into. We have perfect blueprints and info on how it was built. What they found out was changing times had really made this hard to follow. For instance in several places certain special alloys which were commonplace at the time for use in steam locomotives, have totally stopped being produced or used. (In this case General Steel Castings’ Nickel Steel used for the wheels)

Changing tech and advancements cause this kinda waysiding of knowledge all the time. How many people today know about burning CDs? How many people have USED a floppy disk? How many people know how to change a removable disc pack on a DEC RL02? Or configure a serial port for an external modem?

Times change. Information is lost, distorted, or simply replaced. When people stopped having to be one man solo armies and could "brute force" dungeon problems with manpower... well you end up with the story we have.
 
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To also elaborate on the above: NASA didn't "lose the blueprints" or anything stupid like some people claim. We have all the documents you could want on the F1 engines and the Saturn V. The problem was that when every program moved away from the platform, the machines and the people (and by extention the tribal knowledge) was lost.

This is also what the T1 Trust who are building a new Pennsylvania Railroad T1 class steam locomotive ran into. We have perfect blueprints and info on how it was built. What they found out was changing times had really made this hard to follow. For instance in several places certain special alloys which were commonplace at the time for use in steam locomotives, have totally stopped being produced or used. (In this case General Steel Castings’ Nickel Steel used for the wheels)

Changing tech and advancements cause this kinda waysiding of knowledge all the time. How many people today know about burning CDs? How many people have USED a floppy disk? How many people know how to change a removable disc pack on a DEC RL02? Or configure a serial port for an external modem?

Times change. Information is lost, distorted, or simply replaced. When people stopped having to be one man solo armies and could "brute force" dungeon problems with manpower... well you end up with the story we have.
I still have anime from when I taught myself how to burn a DVD and as Subs to it so I could VLC something that hadn't even been licensed yet.

Also the floppy disk thing is funny since it's the save icon but people born after a certain period haven't seen a floppy and thus have no idea cause, time. I don't even k ow how to do those other two >.<
 
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my best guess is that the old timers were dying slowly, one by one holding off the dungeon and then the new generation started, with a better understanding of the dungeon, betters weapons made from loot and in big enough numbers to make partying helpful(by gramps stories, it looks as if the old generation of adventurers was quite small and they were all spread around the country, each soloing their own dungeon), there must have been a moment where both were adventuring at the same time, but the old timers probably just retired when they realized other people could handle it, not realizing that no one was left to actually guide the new generation since better conditions made the first couple floors a lot easier.
 
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something like META strategies isnt something lost or hidden whatsoever, IRL if something so effective than the technologies will revolve around it to make it more easier.... yes thing might takes years before it perfected but its not a lost, the first gen of that tech will still around, IRL we also still have expert that pass it down to other expert or junior, whether it used or not the trace of it is still around... and if you know how academia and forums works, these niche tactic would still exist
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its either the author have justification of why the tactics lost or just "yea old man OP cuz old tactic better"
 
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Hes the professor jiang of dungeon explorer lol
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like "okay guys this is how you take down a stone giant bla bla bla..."lol
 
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Funny how his silhouette from the back looks like a regular up and coming young adventurer but then in the side view he's just bald with some hair on the bottom back of his head.
 
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To also elaborate on the above: NASA didn't "lose the blueprints" or anything stupid like some people claim. We have all the documents you could want on the F1 engines and the Saturn V. The problem was that when every program moved away from the platform, the machines and the people (and by extention the tribal knowledge) was lost.

This is also what the T1 Trust who are building a new Pennsylvania Railroad T1 class steam locomotive ran into. We have perfect blueprints and info on how it was built. What they found out was changing times had really made this hard to follow. For instance in several places certain special alloys which were commonplace at the time for use in steam locomotives, have totally stopped being produced or used. (In this case General Steel Castings’ Nickel Steel used for the wheels)

Changing tech and advancements cause this kinda waysiding of knowledge all the time. How many people today know about burning CDs? How many people have USED a floppy disk? How many people know how to change a removable disc pack on a DEC RL02? Or configure a serial port for an external modem?

Times change. Information is lost, distorted, or simply replaced. When people stopped having to be one man solo armies and could "brute force" dungeon problems with manpower... well you end up with the story we have.
You can also see this in things like trying to follow historical recipes.

Ingredients that were common have gone missing and we don't know precisely how they were made, steps that "everybody knows" are omitted such as the order in which to combine ingredients, even things we do still have may be in different quantities (if the recipe calls for 1 box/package/slab), etc.

You don't have to go too far back to find issues either; even going through some of my mom's cookbooks will turn up things that puzzling, much less my grandmother's collection.
 
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Pages 30 and 31 are partially untranslated.
No point in telling them because the MTL couldn't read the handwriting. I'll post the text so you could feed it to Google Translate or ChatGPT. Or maybe @beachbear will update the pages.

Page 4
知ってたんだ

Page 30
えっ お礼!

ペコーッ

ヒラ ヒラ

チャンネル登録?
イーネ?ボタンよろしくじゃー!

Page 31
ワーッ

ありがとうございましたー!

テレッ

ズビッ

Below is a repost from a different thread.
I really hate it when 'translators' leave handwritten texts untranslated. They tend to give little tidbits that enrich the characters and story. It should be your job, not the readers'. I'm sharing this because I've already done the work to understand the text, so I might as well not let it go to waste, but I seriously hope that nobody throws any money at low effort scanlations.

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Tools:

Jisho.org (radical search)
Hanzicraft
ChatGPT
Google Gemini
Google Translate (it gives suggested kanji based on your chicken-scratch handwriting, no need to know the stroke order unlike Microsoft IME)

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P/S:

1. I haven't tried it, but considering Deepseek is from China, I'm sure it won't have much trouble recognizing handwritten kanji.

2. I've stopped using DeepL. AI/LLM is much better.

3. Knowing basic Japanese helps. It's never too late to learn.
 
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You can also see this in things like trying to follow historical recipes.

Ingredients that were common have gone missing and we don't know precisely how they were made, steps that "everybody knows" are omitted such as the order in which to combine ingredients, even things we do still have may be in different quantities (if the recipe calls for 1 box/package/slab), etc.

You don't have to go too far back to find issues either; even going through some of my mom's cookbooks will turn up things that puzzling, much less my grandmother's collection.
Like how we had the full recipe first Roman concrete but it never worked until somebody tried salt water. It was just common sense tgat you used salt water so they just put 'water' on the instructions.


We'll eventually end up with the same problem with food recipes, I'm sure of it. Just "eggs" "milk" and "butter"? Eventually chickens and cow dairy will cease to be the default and people will be confused why Xenpakian Spider eggs and Fuglark milk and butter doesn't work.
 

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