MangaDex Development Update - API Abuse Enforcement

[EtherealNeko]

 

[Viper4lyfe]

this explains all the site errors ongoing

 

[Chizan]

Not technically savvy to understand the exact workings of rate limiting, but I often go through the updates list, and open titles in their own tabs as I go, which tend to result in a lot of tabs. It so happens that sometimes I walk away from the pc for some reason, or take a nap or something, and when I come back and click one of the tabs to check it out, suddenly all the tabs on the mangadex domain refresh? I think that triggers it as I vaguely recall getting a few 'too many requests' in the past. Which is strange as the 'browser.tabs.unloadOnLowMemory' is at default value in firefox(true) so the tabs should be asleep if not accessed for a time?

That's why I often just bookmark the titles then close them and, and go through the bookmark instead when checking them...

 

[seekermoc]

Hello? Is anyone gonna provide any info as to why the servers are crashing again? Please?

I tried to post about this in r/mangadex, but apparently they now auto-filter anyone trying to post reports about website instability.

Shit, it's even worse than I thought. MD has gone full-authoritarian mode on Reddit and locked everything down. You now need to request permission and get mod approval just to post on their subreddit. Explains why there hasn't been a single post in over 2 days now.

 

[shinya78]

I tried to post about this in r/mangadex, but apparently they now auto-filter anyone trying to post reports about website instability.

Shit, it's even worse than I thought. MD has gone full-authoritarian mode on Reddit and locked everything down. You now need to request permission and get mod approval just to post on their subreddit. Explains why there hasn't been a single post in over 2 days now.

So what you're saying is, despite the implemented limitations that was meant to, and I quote...

This is our effort to reduce that and prevent degraded service for all users.

Not only that the recent outages were the result of bots...

We're dealing with sporadic botnets that aren't easily addressed without blocking other legitimate users. We are dealing with them, which is why the outages are localized and don't last too long.

They're also hiding the reports of outages from the folks over at the reddit, by locking everything down?

If this isn't premium tinfoil hat fuel, I don't know what is.

 

[seekermoc]

So what you're saying is, despite the implemented limitations that was meant to, and I quote...

Not only that the recent outages were the result of bots...

They're also hiding the reports of outages from the folks over at the reddit, by locking everything down?

If this isn't premium tinfoil hat fuel, I don't know what is.

It is odd that they're suppressing what's going on so blatantly. No main site notice or forum announcement, completely locked down subreddit with no sticky explaining any reason, status page that doesn't reflect the ongoing instability, etc.

 

[EtherealNeko]

Please go touch some grass this weekend. Not only did you compare MangaDex staff to nazis (which you corrected after I banned you for being toxic), but after you got called on it, you proceeded to go to r/scanlation in an attempt to create more drama because r/mangadex mods locked the sub, precisely to not deal with the exact same thing you're doing.

Moderators are volunteers who take time out of their day to handle data moderation and community reports. They do not want to waste their time on needless drama and would rather spend it on things that help the community, like clearing the report queue, which is sitting near all-time highs despite all the new tools we've provided to help in this regard.

 

[justdoinone]

Please go touch some grass this weekend. Not only did you compare MangaDex staff to nazis (which you corrected after I banned you for being toxic), but after you got called on it, you proceeded to go to r/scanlation in an attempt to create more drama because r/mangadex mods locked the sub, precisely to not deal with the exact same thing you're doing.

Moderators are volunteers who take time out of their day to handle data moderation and community reports. They do not want to waste their time on needless drama and would rather spend it on things that help the community, like clearing the report queue, which is sitting near all-time highs despite all the new tools we've provided to help in this regard.

Man what a load of bull, can’t access the site at random times, no info on it, and the people are turning against you so you stop allowing people to post. You need to touch some grass. Idk what the hell the OP was trying to post but I’m having an error that says:

"www.kickstarter.com/projects/massimog/diorama-break?
utm_source=mangadex&utm_medium=sponsorship&utm_campaign=kickstarter"
cannot be parsed as a URL”

Why can’t I post asking about this on reddit? Why do you need to limit it to approved posts. The community can answer. You people sold out and are now trying to cover your ass from any negative news.

 

[EtherealNeko]

Man what a load of bull, can’t access the site at random times, no info on it, and the people are turning against you so you stop allowing people to post. You need to touch some grass. Idk what the hell the OP was trying to post but I’m having an error that says:

"www.kickstarter.com/projects/massimog/diorama-break?
utm_source=mangadex&utm_medium=sponsorship&utm_campaign=kickstarter"
cannot be parsed as a URL”

Why can’t I post asking about this on reddit? Why do you need to limit it to approved posts. The community can answer. You people sold out and are now trying to cover your ass from any negative news.

There was site instability, as mentioned in this thread, along with the reason for the instability. The intermittent issue with the URL that prevented some pages from rendering was patched.

If you want to complain about Reddit, this isn't the forum thread to do it in. I'd suggest reaching out to one of the subreddit moderators and asking them to open up posting.

 

[seekermoc]

Please go touch some grass this weekend. Not only did you compare MangaDex staff to nazis (which you corrected after I banned you for being toxic), but after you got called on it, you proceeded to go to r/scanlation in an attempt to create more drama because r/mangadex mods locked the sub, precisely to not deal with the exact same thing you're doing.

Moderators are volunteers who take time out of their day to handle data moderation and community reports. They do not want to waste their time on needless drama and would rather spend it on things that help the community, like clearing the report queue, which is sitting near all-time highs despite all the new tools we've provided to help in this regard.

I said that MD went "full-nazi," using nazi as a synonym for "extremely authoritarian" which is a very common use for the term in internet slang. It was not meant as an insult to any particular staff member, just as a reference to the behavior of the staff in general so far as:

• Keeping information from the users
• Preventing users from discussing ongoing issues
• Forcing your ideas on everyone despite widespread disagreement
• Insulting users for not agreeing with everything you do and not toeing the party line
• Banning users for using words you don't like

So while I understand your point that Nazis are guilty of much more significant crimes than this, crimes that aren't related to the current situation in any way, and I do apologize if anyone interpreted my comment as implying that MD staff supports genocide or anything of that nature. But any reasonable reader would immediately understand that's not what I meant.

If anything, you banning me for a single word is a pretty extreme overreaction that just goes to prove my point. And you calling me toxic for using a reference meant in jest is nothing short of hypocritical.

 

[seekermoc]

There was site instability, as mentioned in this thread, along with the reason for the instability. The intermittent issue with the URL that prevented some pages from rendering was patched.

If you want to complain about Reddit, this isn't the forum thread to do it in. I'd suggest reaching out to one of the subreddit moderators and asking them to open up posting.

You were in the conversation where I did just that right? I was told that Reddit was locked down because of too many duplicate posts about the issue - but the post I tried to make there was 2 days ago, and you can't have duplicate posts if there aren't other posts to begin with.

And when I asked if they could at least post a sticky to announce what was going on and explain the lockdown, I was very dismissively told that they'd would maybe do that later if they had the time, as if making a post saying "Sub temporary locked due to ongoing issues with botnets, more to follow" would take more than a few seconds.

 

[EtherealNeko]

• Keeping information from the users
• Preventing users from discussing ongoing issues
• Forcing your ideas on everyone despite widespread disagreement
• Insulting users for not agreeing with everything you do and not toeing the party line
• Banning users for using words you don't like

1. We have shared any information where it has made sense to. We will not create a full record of everything for several reasons, not least because it's extremely time-consuming.
2. If by preventing discussion you mean locking threads because they just keep going around in a circle of doomposting, then yes, we are doing that and will continue to do so when the conversation isn't going anywhere.
3. It wasn't long ago that users complained in a similar fashion about having the comments outside of the site and in the forums. Now that the comments are making their way back into the site, we see the same behaviour. We have given our reasons for the system, and we're looking for feedback on how to improve it, not on shelving it.
4. In the instance where I stepped out of line in what was a fairly delicate legal issue, where we were under heavy stress, and users weren't being helpful, I apologised. Like I told you on Discord, if you don't care about the apology, nor will you acknowledge it happened, I have nothing else to say to you.
5. You know quite well that's not what happened. You know what you did; other users called you out on it when you went to complain on Discord. Accept the mistake and move on. You're not being a positive force on the community right now, especially given your attempts to sow more negativity elsewhere. Please consider this a warning to correct course.

 

[finalm]

1. We have shared any information where it has made sense to. We will not create a full record of everything for several reasons, not least because it's extremely time-consuming.
2. If by preventing discussion you mean locking threads because they just keep going around in a circle of doomposting, then yes, we are doing that and will continue to do so when the conversation isn't going anywhere.
3. It wasn't long ago that users complained in a similar fashion about having the comments outside of the site and in the forums. Now that the comments are making their way back into the site, we see the same behaviour. We have given our reasons for the system, and we're looking for feedback on how to improve it, not on shelving it.
4. In the instance where I stepped out of line in what was a fairly delicate legal issue, where we were under heavy stress, and users weren't being helpful, I apologised. Like I told you on Discord, if you don't care about the apology, nor will you acknowledge it happened, I have nothing else to say to you.
5. You know quite well that's not what happened. You know what you did; other users called you out on it when you went to complain on Discord. Accept the mistake and move on. You're not being a positive force on the community right now, especially given your attempts to sow more negativity elsewhere. Please consider this a warning to correct course.

I'm in the mood to do some interpreting for those of us not that fluent in this sort of lingo. You know, in order to improve the effectiveness of communication. You're welcome, folks!

1. "We don't care to explain yourselves, deal with it".

2. "The posts were making us look bad, so we purged them, this will continue in the future".

3. "We know no one likes the changes and the justification for them is not fit to be said in public, so here's another anecdote with no real source, enjoy. Also, by 'feedback' we meant only that which validated the decision, please stop sending anything else".

4. "I'm in the right and if I'm not then it's a legal issue and if it's not then I was just stressed out and if I was not then it was your fault. I'm sorry you feel bad about it, now get over yourself".

5. "OBEY, or else!".

Now that everyone's on the same page, let me just say that you're doing a stellar job about that whole negativity thing.

 

[saitohd]

EtherealNeko you really need to stop being so aggressive against the userbase. Ever since you appeared here, all you created is unnecessary arguements. May I remind you a few months ago you called people pedophiles because they complained about specific manga removals? Staff like yourself should act more professional and neutral but you keep adding your personal feelings in your comments.

Also the least thing this community needs right now is toxic positivity. The site had increased downtimes and bad service lately so let them complaint all they want.

 

[shinya78]

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Staff like yourself should act more professional and neutral but you keep adding your personal feelings in your comments.

This statement got a point or three, just saying.

Adding personal feelings as a staff/moderator in response to complaints not only gives one a bad look, it reinforces the image of the "reddit mod stereotype" even if it's outside of reddit, and it brings about the wrong kind of feedback loop adding more stress to all parties involved. All it does is add fuel to an ember, that could otherwise be handled in a civil manner before it becomes a raging fire.

Spoiler: Nothing to see here

Spoiler: Seriously, there's nothing here

In b4 thread gets locked for "dog-piling" or something.

But hey! At least Advanced Search is back for guest users, that's something.

 

[vidopnir]

Moderators are volunteers who take time out of their day to handle data moderation and community reports.

You still have unpaid janitors when MangaDex per statements from Tristan (CTO of Namicomi, former MD dev that used to unironically larp as a pixar-tier supervillain sometimes) has been well above breakeven for years? When those same people are staff for the actual business???
Namicomi expanded staffing but is intentionally mining volunteers...sad but definitely expected.
Hell even you are getting paid and generally all you've been good for is making middling to poor quality controversial statements which I'm sure your newly expanded board of directors, investors, and potential ad buyers just LOVE.
At this point I'm expecting to find out that Henry (Holo, MangaDex founder, COO of Namicomi) has been furthering his investments in fintech, crypto, and gambling with company funds.

 

[seekermoc]

5. "OBEY, or else!".

5. The "other users who called me out" was literally just one person in a channel with hundreds of members, someone who hadn't even seen the thread in question, who's only source of information at the time was a biased interpretation of the event coming from a mod.

Namicomi expanded staffing but is intentionally mining volunteers...sad but definitely expected.

This exactly. Mods being overwhelmed with a backlog of work is a management problem, not a moderation problem. If there is more work than the mods can handle, recruit more. Or god forbid hire more if that's what this is really all about. And whatever happened to all the old mods who were super active with the community? They were the ones who made MD great, and we haven't heard a peep out of them in quite a while.

 

[finalm]

At this point I'm expecting to find out that Henry (Holo, MangaDex founder, COO of Namicomi) has been furthering his investments in fintech, crypto, and gambling with company funds.

Now this is just too much on the nose to be random sarcasm. You've seen it. YOU'VE SEEN IT!!

 

[vidopnir]

Now this is just too much on the nose to be random sarcasm. You've seen it. YOU'VE SEEN IT!!

I was giving a bad tier hypothetical scenario for some stupid shit we may see eventually.
He did make sizeable investments in those areas a few years ago and I found it out searching his full name last year after the announcement of NamiComi taking control of MangaDex.

 

[finalm]

I was giving a bad tier hypothetical scenario for some stupid shit we may see eventually.
He did make sizeable investments in those areas a few years ago and I found it out searching his full name last year after the announcement of NamiComi taking control of MangaDex.

Ah, maybe you haven't seen it then. A shame. Let's just say that when it comes to venture capital, Hal comes from a school of thought that I like to call "bankman-friedism"