Usuzumi no Hate - Ch. 38 - On The Same Path

[LLLFunkyLight]

Isn't this a plot hole?
Saya is surprised that transferring a consciousness into a robotic body is possible, when she met that movie freak in chapter 3, who had done exactly that.

That was different. The robotic body was explicitly a copy, the original person died. This version is apparently a legitimate passing of consciousness from one place to another.

 

[ozanty]

Every time a manga brings aliens as the reason for every bad thing, it weakens the story... I hope those crystals ARE manmade, that the marebito is just some sort of high-dimensional construct that went rogue, but that everything is just technology working on principles humanity hasn't fully understood, and that is why things went out of control.

Remember how there's a talk about possible advanced human civilization before the end of the last ice age? It could be very well left over of an old advanced civilization.

 

[crono]

Isn't this a plot hole?
Saya is surprised that transferring a consciousness into a robotic body is possible, when she met that movie freak in chapter 3, who had done exactly that.

Seems weird for sure. Could be a mistranslation or maybe the implication is that the Cinema dude was just a copy and Sabinuma actually transfered himself to the new body?

Some crazy ship of theseus stuff if that is the case

 

[alacaelum]

It kind of reminds of that trope where the mc only has the power they have because of their parents, it isn't anything innate or learned. It, again, weakens the story.

Tsutomu Nihei's new manga Tower Dungeon id the same thing. The mc is crazy strong and seemingly invincible, but turns out he's only strong because he's the kInGs SeCrET sOn. Dropped it right there, which sucks because it was pretty good despite that...

Yeah, I dislike that troupe too.

I read Tower Dungeon too, and... yeah, I agree, that reveal detracts from the MC a little, but personlly, I still read it because there are so many fun character, including Yuba still.

I would recommend you still give it a chance, don't know how many chapters have passed since you read it, but the story still has plenty to give.

 

[alacaelum]

Remember how there's a talk about possible advanced human civilization before the end of the last ice age? It could be very well left over of an old advanced civilization.

That would be good... still cliche, but has a better track than aliens in manga.

 

[the_Bear_from_Bearcave]

Yeah, I dislike that troupe too.

I read Tower Dungeon too, and... yeah, I agree, that reveal detracts from the MC a little, but personlly, I still read it because there are so many fun character, including Yuba still.

I would recommend you still give it a chance, don't know how many chapters have passed since you read it, but the story still has plenty to give.

It kind of reminds of that trope where the mc only has the power they have because of their parents, it isn't anything innate or learned. It, again, weakens the story.

Tsutomu Nihei's new manga Tower Dungeon id the same thing. The mc is crazy strong and seemingly invincible, but turns out he's only strong because he's the kInGs SeCrET sOn. Dropped it right there, which sucks because it was pretty good despite that...

I disagree that it's much of a problem, especially if, like in Tower Dungeon, that power is not the main plot, just part of the characterization.

Aragorn (I know, not the MC) had powers that he inherited by being descendant of kings of Numenor, didn't make him any less awesome. And innate powers aren't really different than inherited ones, in both cases they're just something MC is born with.

Dropping a story just because it has elements you dislike means you're gonna miss out on bunch of good reads - like Tower Dungeon.

 

[Grikath]

So....Scientology gone mad.... Or rather...even more mad than it already is...

 

[RanmaChaos]

Thanks for the chapter

 

[rakka90]

Appreciate the extra TL detail on Marebito, good job.

Well, the executioners being man-made has drastically reduced the scale but elevated the danger. But if Marebito is this technologically advanced, then the alien theory might still stand.

 

[MalevolentBacon]

I think she means a real one. That guy couldn't even move and was connected to a bunch of wires. I think she means a more advanced android like the one depicted. That guy was nothing more then a movie projector projecting a human mind.

I dont agree with this take on it. The guy watching movies was a person transplanted into a robot, the robot just wasnt finished in time.

Its not a stretch to say the only difference between him and this other guy is limbs.

Plus we now know that Daigiren was capable of transplanted their entire mind onto their child, so putting it in a robot is basically literally child's play at this point.

 

[MalevolentBacon]

I disagree that it's much of a problem, especially if, like in Tower Dungeon, that power is not the main plot, just part of the characterization.

...

Dropping a story just because it has elements you dislike means you're gonna miss out on bunch of good reads - like Tower Dungeon.

Gotta agree here. Tower Dungeon is not ruined by its protagonist being strong, the story has been good and artistically well done.

 

[Nico_777_]

Does anyone else ship Reka and Saya now?

No😭
Ik its a ship but looking at the sotry I highly doubt there id gonna be romance at all and I think for this manga its better without romance

 

[LAZ_star]

i have a SPECIAL feeling. she gonna fuse with that god and become a god, bringing back humanity life
like phos from Land of the lustrous

 

[Trevoga]

The fist bump is an amazing moment.
Otherwise, this really does feel like when Frieren went from its unique somberness to genre tropes. I guess Girls' Last Tour still remains undefeated.

 

[LordIndica]

Yeah, I dislike that troupe too.

I read Tower Dungeon too, and... yeah, I agree, that reveal detracts from the MC a little, but personlly, I still read it because there are so many fun character, including Yuba still.

I would recommend you still give it a chance, don't know how many chapters have passed since you read it, but the story still has plenty to give.

I disagree with you guys a fair bit. I don't really think Yuva's character really involes that trope the way you guys are describing, nor was it at all "lessened" for having inherited power, especially in a world where the draco-metamorphs exist and it appears genetically modified or designed lifeforms are a fundemental part of the setting. If anything, it makes him less of a mary sue that is inexplicably strong or capable for no apparent reason, especially since he isn't aware of or particularly adept at using his abilities, learning about them as he goes and only by acting within the confines of his limited knowledge. He is kind of bunbling through the story just trying to do his best based on his very innocent values. I think it isn't that outlandish when we consider basically every character we have met is a special sort of mutant. It is like... a core part of the story that all the fantasy tropes being invoked are being "explained" by merging them with very subtlely implied science fiction tropes instead. The world is an ancient, incredibly old world that has existed so long that the origins of its incredible creations have been lost to myth and mystery the way we might treat ancient magics, so discovering that Yuva has a tiny fraction of the power we see others display, all because he is  possibly (it hasn't really been confirmed 100%) of the royal lineage isn't really immersion-breaking for me. The story would be far weirder, IMO, if he wasn't somehow special, given the abilities he has displayed from the very beginning. It isn't exactly groundbreakingly "new", but a story about a forgotten/lost prince going on an adventure to slay some grand enemy and claim their birthright is a classic narrative for good reason. In fact, it seems like Nihei is actually subverting that trope a little bit with Yuva's character, considering he is otherwise a total meat-head that every other character acknowledges is actually a bit of a doofus and that while he's a reliable companion, he is not the leader of the group. Hell, Yuva is actually my favorite of Niheis protagonists, (fuuuuuck the dude from KoS) because he is actually self-aware and knows he isn't smart and explicitly relies on and acknowledges the abilities of others and their value. By chapter 24 we have an ensemble cast of "exceptional but flawed" characters that Yuva hardly stands out from.

I will say that recent chapters have kind of been losing a bit of the dark fantasy atmosphere and quality of pacing that the first dozen or so had, but it is still one of my favorite stories to be following at the moment (chapter 25, where are yooooouuuu).

 

[alacaelum]

I disagree with you guys a fair bit. I don't really think Yuva's character really involes that trope the way you guys are describing, nor was it at all "lessened" for having inherited power, especially in a world where the draco-metamorphs exist and it appears genetically modified or designed lifeforms are a fundemental part of the setting. If anything, it makes him less of a mary sue that is inexplicably strong or capable for no apparent reason, especially since he isn't aware of or particularly adept at using his abilities, learning about them as he goes and only by acting within the confines of his limited knowledge. He is kind of bunbling through the story just trying to do his best based on his very innocent values. I think it isn't that outlandish when we consider basically every character we have met is a special sort of mutant. It is like... a core part of the story that all the fantasy tropes being invoked are being "explained" by merging them with very subtlely implied science fiction tropes instead. The world is an ancient, incredibly old world that has existed so long that the origins of its incredible creations have been lost to myth and mystery the way we might treat ancient magics, so discovering that Yuva has a tiny fraction of the power we see others display, all because he is  possibly (it hasn't really been confirmed 100%) of the royal lineage isn't really immersion-breaking for me. The story would be far weirder, IMO, if he wasn't somehow special, given the abilities he has displayed from the very beginning. It isn't exactly groundbreakingly "new", but a story about a forgotten/lost prince going on an adventure to slay some grand enemy and claim their birthright is a classic narrative for good reason. In fact, it seems like Nihei is actually subverting that trope a little bit with Yuva's character, considering he is otherwise a total meat-head that every other character acknowledges is actually a bit of a doofus and that while he's a reliable companion, he is not the leader of the group. Hell, Yuva is actually my favorite of Niheis protagonists, (fuuuuuck the dude from KoS) because he is actually self-aware and knows he isn't smart and explicitly relies on and acknowledges the abilities of others and their value. By chapter 24 we have an ensemble cast of "exceptional but flawed" characters that Yuva hardly stands out from.

I will say that recent chapters have kind of been losing a bit of the dark fantasy atmosphere and quality of pacing that the first dozen or so had, but it is still one of my favorite stories to be following at the moment (chapter 25, where are yooooouuuu).

I agree with your point, but before I say anything else, I need to say this... and please don't take this as a diss on you, it is sincere advice... please put paragraphs in your comment.

It becomes increasingly hard to read your comment as you go into it, and the eyes can get lost in the lines. I admit, it is on my own deficiencies too, but... there is a reason why paragraphs exist as a concept.

Anyway, back to my "counterpoint".

Spoiler: This became a long ass comment, so sorry for that.

You are right, Yuva having a blood relationship does lessen the "mary sue" effect he had going for him... he was too "special" for no apparent reason, his strenght was a little out of nowhere.

But here is the thing... even with the genetics focused power system, don't you think there was a better way to convey his own potential without making him a direct descendant of the "royalty"?

What I and @shwiftyshfifty were saying mostly is because the "descendant of a special bloodline" is a VERY overused troupe, one that as we get older we can see a... social tendency of putting people of "olden" descent into a pedestal, i wont say anymore than this because it would get overly persona, but i hope you can see where i would be going.

And as you mentioned, the powers here come from some sort of advanced genetic engineering in the far past (and contrary to what Nihei-sensei says about the interconectivity of his work... well, we may know who was that made that engineering), that gave people of different races their traits and abilities, so think like this... what if instead of Yuva being a direct descendant of the "royal" family, he is actually a case of random atavism?

We don't really know how far and deep the genetic alterations really are in the people of this world, sure the people in power will say that they are the only ones with those powers... but you know, really, why they say that.

So Yuva is a case where the "code" that is in the genes of this world simply came to the surface with a strong manifestation of the power, same for his sister, one that... we can connect this at least... is something the "royal" family and others like them do manifest more frequently, but in reality they are not the only holders of that power.

And from here you can see the many paths.

I have my gripes with the "chosen one" and "ancient bloodlines" tropes, it is a good cliches truth be told, in a way you almost can't tell a story without a "chosen one", but many writers don't REALLY explore or diversify (with care), the possibilities that exist with these tropes.

And more than anything, these tropes are so used because of "nostalgia" in a way... we all deify the past with ease, because of "nostalgia" for "the good ol days", which then makes us believe that in the "present" of a story needs to have a direct connection with the past, but sometimes... people appear in life that have nothing connected to the past besides living lives that are consequences of that past.

I know in a narrative structure, connecting the dots is one of the basic fundamentals, but... I think there are ways of doing things that don't need that, and in my opinion, before the reveal... I was entirely satisfied with the idea that Yuva simply was a rando that happened to been born stronger. I wanted an explanation, sure, but I wanted to understand his ability in the context of this world, not that he needed to be connected to one of the already in-play factions.