Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Mazaky]

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

That’s not entirely true. The site owners still depend on the support of the people who use it, so users have just as much of a real stake in the platform as staff members who rely on the revenue generated by user activity. In that sense, users also have a say in how the site is run.

This applies not only to readers but also to the groups that actively upload content. As you can see from this thread, many group leaders are already looking for alternatives and criticizing how the situation is being handled. The MD staff don’t produce the translations themselves, so they rely even more heavily on the community. In that respect, the staff may actually have the least independent standing, since they depend on everyone else involved.

You may not see a reason to withdraw your support, but many users in this thread already have. If users migrate elsewhere, that will likely affect the site’s ad revenue (I’m not sure exactly how their ad system works, but they clearly rely on it to some extent).

I understand that you’re very supportive of the site, but not everyone feels the same way, whether they are financial supporters or uploaders, and those are the very people the platform depends on to stay afloat.

 

[Tidebreaker_Lucas_2006]

The f*cking mod themself can't distinguish reality and fiction I'm crying

 

[Basic_human]

How about the mods calling us paedophiles over fiction because i think thats a much more serious and liable slander then xenophobia/racism because they are literally calling people a "child fucker" over fiction.

It's kinda same thing with real world where meme used to soften the blow for any bad things that happen incidentally

People get a little side tracked. Didn't seems landed as I thought huh

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

funny when I revisit the doki page, they still have ecchi na kanojo eng patch banner on the right side, it's feel like nothing has changed.

 

[aunony]

How about the dipshit admin who started all of this comes out of their cave, acts like a responsible adult, and takes responsibility for what they started instead of letting their peers handle the mess they made?

Hey, you fucking dipshit, how about you get back here?

 

[Angry_Panda]

I'm a supporter too, I dont agree with you. This is a piracy site, a site that wouldn't exist without people who follow it. If enough of us all agree that the decision of the staff are shit, and we all leave. That would be bad for everyone.

I support and respect the decision of anyone here to support/withhold support via clicks, engagement, and their wallets. But that is ultimately the only leverage available to us, so each of us will have to decide how to proceed from here. Do what's best for you, and let the site take care of itself.

 

[ShujixXChise]

It's kinda same thing with real world where meme used to soften the blow for any bad things that happen incidentally

People get a little side tracked

i'm not sure if you can even remotely close to the same thing cause fiction doesn't equal reality. And what with the whole meme thing well not to get political but the left could never meme unlike the right as well as memes were never meant to be taken seriously anyway so yeah i dunno if you would call them the same... unless i'm missing something here, lol.

 

[Miros]

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

okay memeing aside

- You guys decided to not only make a controversial decision but also not give prior notice

- Even worse, instead of a staff member stepping in to calm things, provide reassurance, or at minimum stay quiet while an official response was prepared, one replied with an insult and not just any insult, but one of the most loaded possible right now, with multiple horrifying international child rape cases blowing up in the news recently, people are already on high alert and understandably furious about anything that even hints at downplaying or insinuating they are similar to those monsters because they read lolishota

- The harsh backlash was inevitable to not say deserving, and the question real question is not what is wrong us but what is wrong with you people in the staff

 

[ShujixXChise]

To all the people who have entered my thread, are currently visiting my thread, have previously looked through the thread, or considering looking through the thread:

Please. I implore you. Keep discussions about this topic in my thread to a minimum.

Firstly, because @RogueKitsune said so:


Secondly, because it breaks Rule 3.5 of the Forums:


And thirdly:
My thread is meant to be a safe space for people to talk freely about harmless, fun topics that shouldn't affect the forums or the main site. I only ask you to maintain some civility there. I will not tolerate anything that breaks Rule 1 of the forums.

As for me and this whole debacle, I wish to be neutral towards all this, though I cannot guarantee I won't make any statements that might anger the general populace of this thread.

Now, are we clear?

Oh i'm sorry but we have a right to clap back at the mods when they LITERALLY call everyone who is defending innocent art a "paedophile" 💢💢💢💢

 

[Basic_human]

i'm not sure if you can even remotely close to the same thing cause fiction doesn't equal reality. And what with the whole meme thing well not to get political but the left could never meme unlike the right as well as memes were never meant to be taken seriously anyway so yeah i dunno if you would call them the same... unless i'm missing something here, lol.

What I'm trying to say is all the racist comments were incidentally shift the topic and make it seems big part of this is just people bigotry. Like what I said how in real world making meme of tragedy can shift the seriousness tone in it

 

[ShujixXChise]

YOU DAMN LOLICON! 💢 💢 💢 💢

 

[Garyk76]

Jumping back here because my previous post had a sentence that was poorly worded and came off as too much of a personal attack or moral grandstanding. I also didn't provide enough context on the content being removed, so that's on me.

I've been reading some of the replies, and thank you for voicing your opinions and concerns, whether in this thread or elsewhere. Users want clarification on the removals, so please find it below.

We were made aware of content that goes against our content policy, specifically clause 3.1.1 regarding underage characters in pornographic settings. The content that was removed, and some content still being reviewed, includes entries labelled Mature, with characters that are engaging in sexual intercourse and either:

• They are clearly very young in appearance, and the content does not confirm that they are adults.
• The content itself confirms that they are under the age of 18.

Nothing else is being examined at this time. We're currently exploring options to retain the title entry and other non-infringing metadata, but for now, we need to proceed with the removal.

This is literally the exact thing you previously said but in different words, you wanna comply with the law? Shut the entire site down, it's a piracy site after all.

 

[Dridespoon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

 

[ShujixXChise]

Actually one of the major criticisms of the law is that it's language is EXTREMELY open ended, leaving it vulnerable to being exploited to charge people for content it shouldn't actually cover like anime/manga. The charge might not stand up in court, but that assumes the person they charge is actually financially able to fight the case.

Nope actually its protected under the First Amendment and mods trying to justify their shitty actions by throwing uk law at us is laughable because in reality it will always get thrown out 100% of the time, fuck yo uk laws.

 

[Garyk76]

You should ask at what point they'll become a "real company" like oh so many businesses do before they go down the shitter.

They're trying to take the route of Manga Rick and we all know how that ended up for them

 

[Bartolumiu]

How about the dipshit admin who started all of this comes out of their cave, acts like a responsible adult, and takes responsibility for what they started instead of letting their peers handle the mess they made?

Hey, you fucking dipshit, how about you get back here?

Even if you're angry (it's understandable, given everything that's happened), please try to keep it civil for everyone else, okay? Thx! <3

 

[Pauan]

I give them 5 minutes before giving up, tbh.
Not that this would go anywhere, Lul

The UK actually has convicted several people for anime images, such as Robul Hoque.

Although I strongly disagree with the UK's law, it is their law, and they do enforce it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coroners_and_Justice_Act_2009

Criminalising possession of cartoon pornographic images depicting both minors as well as adults where the "predominant impression conveyed" is that the individual (being depicted), is that of a child.

MangaDex made a very serious mistake by choosing to be headquartered in the UK.

If they think this is a joke, they are in for a very big surprise.

 

[deleted-user-f488881bc9]

BTW, I have a question, if you think fiction is real, what makes those who read and enjoy gore, serial killers, incest is wincest. playing a game that involves doing drugs, mass shooting, and other criminal things in real life?
What makes you different from those who scream that violent video games create criminals and killers?

 

[Tidebreaker_Lucas_2006]

This. 100%.

You dimwit, this isn't even about the lolicon, the existence of lolisho content is the pinnacle of artistic freedom, which is what make anime and manga great in the first place. And they are removing them for the most lame/disgusting reason ever.

They bended their knees and betrayed their most loyal user(s).

 

[Garyk76]

Ew fucking gross. Glad it and anything similar to it is gone.

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