Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Bartolumiu]

I always try to take a respectful approach, because it helps others see your point as more neutral and reasonable. Attacking someone personally usually only weakens your argument.

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

However, in this case, the issue began with the staff member himself when he called everyone who was trying to understand the situation “pedophiles” over drawings. That kind of accusation opens the door for people to respond just as harshly, since he started with one of the lowest insults he could use.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Keep in mind, his comment was not directed at a single person, but at anyone who reads manga that includes loli characters. Given that, I can understand why some people are responding disrespectfully at this point and I'm not one to judge.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[ShujixXChise]

Again.

Just like Pixiv is a Japanese Company also based in California and they host >1 Million loli works and do not have to remove them solely due to zoning and setting your location.

You guys can do the same rather than ignorantly bending the knee and removing legal content.

Edit: Also, the "apology" is empty. The moment you falsely accuse people of the most heinous shit entirely over a cartoon, you lose any credibility.

HERE HERE Sir, HERE HERE!

 

[Blanc]

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

 

[ShujixXChise]

I do frequent nh a lot, and my list there is bigger than here, but nh (I don't know about hitomi) is an aggregator and fully unorganized. The nice thing about MD is that it's a source for scanlations and nicely organized for tracking.

Yeah its not to bad and you don't have shitty mods like these removing manga/doujins because they can't tell fiction from reality. Also a lot of stuff from mangadex is also on Hitomi too.

 

[yogurtman250]

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

She's someone from NamiComi I believe, judging on how she spent her time talking in self-published comics only. She'll probably won't go down without a fight

 

[Bartolumiu]

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

 

[Blanc]

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

so you mean there a simp of her in the higher bracket, totally understandable since lot of otaku nerd are single male.

 

[cystericosis]

We mods are on the lowest level, so the only options for us is to follow orders from above.

At the bottom of the totem pole, the balls on the dick as they say

 

[Owyoushotme]

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

I'm a supporter too, I dont agree with you. This is a piracy site, a site that wouldn't exist without people who follow it. If enough of us all agree that the decision of the staff are shit, and we all leave. That would be bad for everyone.

 

[ShujixXChise]

Seriously, whenever someone said "2D Lolicons are filthy PDFiles". The next months or years a news reporting the same person who said that was arrested for inserting defiled a real child.

Meanwhile, the 2D Lolicons are mostly people with more common sense. They don't do crimes with real human.

Oh wait, do we just discover the biggest shame in humanity in millions of email and files ? The perpetrator only likes yuri and beastiality tag but we don't find evidence the real predator likes 2D child violated and impregnated by old man which is abundant in Japan.

And we lolicons hate paedophiles the most and actively expose real paedophiles so that they can get caught by the police because we absolutely hate and despise them especially those are apologists because 9/10 they usually end up being one.

 

[Blanc]

As someone who watch doki fansub since the early days even before MD is a thing, the current MD really makes me disappointed. Well, Time changed after all.

I'm not a lolicon, but how you guys dealing with thing clearly have no PR training.
Like it or not loli/shota/ecchi are an integral part, and it was even more daring back before the 2000s especially for the OVA and manga.

 

[cyberfriend]

What would I know about it? I'm only given orders
Us mods are literally at the lowest level of the staff chain of command...

You are still an accomplice in the end of the day

 

[Mazaky]

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

That’s not entirely true. The site owners still depend on the support of the people who use it, so users have just as much of a real stake in the platform as staff members who rely on the revenue generated by user activity. In that sense, users also have a say in how the site is run.

This applies not only to readers but also to the groups that actively upload content. As you can see from this thread, many group leaders are already looking for alternatives and criticizing how the situation is being handled. The MD staff don’t produce the translations themselves, so they rely even more heavily on the community. In that respect, the staff may actually have the least independent standing, since they depend on everyone else involved.

You may not see a reason to withdraw your support, but many users in this thread already have. If users migrate elsewhere, that will likely affect the site’s ad revenue (I’m not sure exactly how their ad system works, but they clearly rely on it to some extent).

I understand that you’re very supportive of the site, but not everyone feels the same way, whether they are financial supporters or uploaders, and those are the very people the platform depends on to stay afloat.

 

[Tidebreaker_Lucas_2006]

The f*cking mod themself can't distinguish reality and fiction I'm crying

 

[Basic_human]

How about the mods calling us paedophiles over fiction because i think thats a much more serious and liable slander then xenophobia/racism because they are literally calling people a "child fucker" over fiction.

It's kinda same thing with real world where meme used to soften the blow for any bad things that happen incidentally

People get a little side tracked. Didn't seems landed as I thought huh

 

[Blanc]

funny when I revisit the doki page, they still have ecchi na kanojo eng patch banner on the right side, it's feel like nothing has changed.

 

[aunony]

How about the dipshit admin who started all of this comes out of their cave, acts like a responsible adult, and takes responsibility for what they started instead of letting their peers handle the mess they made?

Hey, you fucking dipshit, how about you get back here?

 

[Angry_Panda]

I'm a supporter too, I dont agree with you. This is a piracy site, a site that wouldn't exist without people who follow it. If enough of us all agree that the decision of the staff are shit, and we all leave. That would be bad for everyone.

I support and respect the decision of anyone here to support/withhold support via clicks, engagement, and their wallets. But that is ultimately the only leverage available to us, so each of us will have to decide how to proceed from here. Do what's best for you, and let the site take care of itself.

 

[ShujixXChise]

It's kinda same thing with real world where meme used to soften the blow for any bad things that happen incidentally

People get a little side tracked

i'm not sure if you can even remotely close to the same thing cause fiction doesn't equal reality. And what with the whole meme thing well not to get political but the left could never meme unlike the right as well as memes were never meant to be taken seriously anyway so yeah i dunno if you would call them the same... unless i'm missing something here, lol.

 

[Miros]

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

okay memeing aside

- You guys decided to not only make a controversial decision but also not give prior notice

- Even worse, instead of a staff member stepping in to calm things, provide reassurance, or at minimum stay quiet while an official response was prepared, one replied with an insult and not just any insult, but one of the most loaded possible right now, with multiple horrifying international child rape cases blowing up in the news recently, people are already on high alert and understandably furious about anything that even hints at downplaying or insinuating they are similar to those monsters because they read lolishota

- The harsh backlash was inevitable to not say deserving, and the question real question is not what is wrong us but what is wrong with you people in the staff