Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Mazaky]

Just in case, I'd rather not, since it might get used as an "official" stance for the platform even though it isn't (it has sadly happened before)
But no worries, since it's obvious that everyone just wants to know about what's going on... (tbf, I would probably be the same, except for those specific individuals being disrespectful to everyone in this thread)

I always try to take a respectful approach, because it helps others see your point as more neutral and reasonable. Attacking someone personally usually only weakens your argument. However, in this case, the issue began with the staff member himself when he called everyone who was trying to understand the situation “pedophiles” over drawings. That kind of accusation opens the door for people to respond just as harshly, since he started with one of the lowest insults he could use.

Keep in mind, his comment was not directed at a single person, but at anyone who reads manga that includes loli characters. Given that, I can understand why some people are responding disrespectfully at this point and I'm not one to judge.

 

[Basic_human]

I agree with the frustration about how this was handled, but the only reason anyone is on this site is because they decided to be here. Everyone on this thread or on this site is free to go somewhere else with no consequences at all.

You know pan lot of people here also group leader who contribute alot to the site growth

If what speculated true and the higher up trying to capitalize on site popularity that built by the people it's not about choose to go. Your hard work with your friend and all time you spend being purge and the advantage of is good reason being angry to. As mumen rider say it "it's not about winning or losing, it's about me taking you right here!! Right now!!"



Take example from real world, were people "just go" nothing would change.

 

[CharaDotArchivist]

this situation REEKS of the whole Collective Shout debacle

 

[Z3RYX]

Nhentai and Hitomi have always been pretty good sites for finding manga and doujins AND you can still find noraneko shoujo to no kurashikata on Hitomi too.

I do frequent nh a lot, and my list there is bigger than here, but nh (I don't know about hitomi) is an aggregator and fully unorganized. The nice thing about MD is that it's a source for scanlations and nicely organized for tracking.

 

[Basic_human]

Also i'm sorry if it's hard to read any of this shit I'm a bad writer 😭

This is probably going to be one of THE incidents that'll show the incompetency of the MD staff until it's eventual end as either a forgotten piracy site or an undead corpo manga publisher. Why? Neko's messages, of course. Before I rant about this shit, keep in mind that I do not like lolis or shotas in the slightest. I've avoided and dropped plenty of series relating to them. If the Great Loli Purge went decently smoothly, I'd probably wouldn't care enough to discuss about this topic more than a few messages. Still, the way Neko address the situation, in my opinion the worst way to address banning one of the biggest parts of the anime/manga community, because it accused the audience of something... quite bad to say the least. Looking back to 1954's Brown vs Board of Education, Chief Justice Warren chose to use an objective, non accusatory tone for the SCOTUS decision. This is because he wanted to prevent a situation where resistant southerners try to ignore or push back against the decision.
Having such a tone would've made a GREAT announcement instead of the post because then people would've had some idea of what happened soon after the purge rather than be in the dark for a while. Not to mention, the fact that the mod closed off the thread after saying such a response added some sort of finality to the statement. You do not want to end a thread asking about such a big change with a response like that. Especially since the response got put on a spotlight from someone tweeting about it, getting the "silent majority" (loli/shota fans) of the anime/manga community mad. Congrats.

Going back to the Brown v Board parallel, imagine if Justice Warren didn't try to prevent the southern half of the united states to cause an uproar due to decision, instead he purposely accuses them of... you know and wrote it with a pretentious tone, just to pat himself on the back. Imagine the backlash that would get. This practically what happened in this thread. You cannot write a response like that and don't expect some backlash from happening. Keep in mind, this is someone who spent their time on the forums only on forums on comments of self-published comics, meaning that nearly nobody knows who Neko is, also meaning that such a big change to the site's rules may seem to others that it's mainly the fault of her. If someone who has been more active in the forums, and worded it differently, things would've gone a LOT more differently, like people like this person not telling Neko to fuck off.

In other words, this message alone is THE cause of all this shit you're seeing right now. But i'm like too tired to explain more (just woke up) so sorry for making ranting about an already covered topic

Very thorough analysis, thank you yoghurt.

 

[Tscheddov]

I do frequent nh a lot, and my list there is bigger than here, but nh (I don't know about hitomi) is an aggregator and fully unorganized. The nice thing about MD is that it's a source for scanlations and nicely organized for tracking.

exactly this.
MD is unique. you didnt have any other site as well organized and with the whole bandwith of content (safe -suggestive - erotica -hentai)
and most of the doujins were easy to find cause they were listed under the related tab from the main series.
i will really miss that.

there is an alternative to MD for the regeular content already but it lacks the mature content and still misses a lot of chapters that have been removed here in the purge or from pissed off uploaders over a quarrel with MD staff years ago

 

[ShujixXChise]

Platforms will choose to follow laws of jurisdictions in which it is beneficial for them to continue being able to operate on. Are you sure you really need me to explain this to you or are you just arguing in bad faith? Have you ever wondered why youtube or twitter will follow common western laws but don't ban LGBT content? Come on man...

Buddy what laws? are you retarded? lolisho are not illegal nor is it breaking any "laws" and your a PIRATE site that host manga/doujins for people to read so laws of some fucking island do not apply to this whole argument now reinstate the manga you removed and offer us a official apology for your mods action because you wanna talk about laws buddy EtheralNeko has been throwing out some very serious and liable slander by calling us paedophiles over en fictional manga which can get you sued in court and you don't want that kinda heat and it doesn't matter where you are, we will find you and will sue you, this isn't a threat its a promise.

 

[Mazaky]

I agree with the frustration about how this was handled, but the only reason anyone is on this site is because they decided to be here. Everyone on this thread or on this site is free to go somewhere else with no consequences at all.

The problem goes deeper than simply saying, “just go somewhere else.”

Many people use MD as their main source of content, relying on their follows and the ease of tracking what they’re reading. Some users have also contributed, directly or indirectly, to building the site over the years, whether as readers, group leaders, contributors, or in other roles. For many, it has been their online home since the beginning.

Having this decision made by staff members who have been on the site for less time than many of its users, and without any clear justification so far, naturally makes long-time members feel upset and frustrated. Those who feel attached to the site have every reason to voice their concerns, even more when they are treated as "pedos" because of some drawings.

Over time, people may move elsewhere, especially if things continue in this direction. But as has happened with many sites before, users will usually try to fix the problem first before accepting that nothing can be done.

 

[ShujixXChise]

Aight I'm getting kinda tired of reading hours of arguing with sprinkles of xenophobia/racism. I'll check in tomorrow to see where this ended up. Enjoy some peak Undertale animation!

How about the mods calling us paedophiles over fiction because i think thats a much more serious and liable slander then xenophobia/racism because they are literally calling people a "child fucker" over fiction.

 

[yogurtman250]

The problem goes deeper than simply saying, “just go somewhere else.”

Many people use MD as their main source of content, relying on their follows and the ease of tracking what they’re reading. Some users have also contributed, directly or indirectly, to building the site over the years, whether as readers, group leaders, contributors, or in other roles. For many, it has been their online home since the beginning.

Having this decision made by staff members who have been on the site for less time than many of its users, and without any clear justification so far, naturally makes long-time members feel upset and frustrated. Those who feel attached to the site have every reason to voice their concerns, even more when they are treated as "pedos" because of some drawings.

Over time, people may move elsewhere, especially if things continue in this direction. But as has happened with many sites before, users will usually try to fix the problem first before accepting that nothing can be done.

I'd imagine some type of "containment" will be breached after this, and all the users who like these type of shit will go on to other sites and spread their stuff there

 

[LilithRaven]

I agree with the frustration about how this was handled, but the only reason anyone is on this site is because they decided to be here. Everyone on this thread or on this site is free to go somewhere else with no consequences at all.

You have been licking that MD mods boot for hours since this thread got started

 

[Venator-H]

Do not forget that the content in question was uploaded from the very founding of this site. You can still browse the oldest chapters in chronological upload order, number one being the first chapter uploaded to the site.

NSFW for obvious reasons.
Number 1,2,3 used to be up but who knows when it was purged.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/4
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5
https://mangadex.org/chapter/6
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7
https://mangadex.org/chapter/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/9
https://mangadex.org/chapter/12
https://mangadex.org/chapter/13
https://mangadex.org/chapter/14
https://mangadex.org/chapter/15
https://mangadex.org/chapter/16
https://mangadex.org/chapter/17
...etc.

If the policy has changed to exclude such content, I think it's quite literally erasing the foundations of this site.

 

[ShujixXChise]

GUYS, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, STOP SHITTING ON MANGADEX AND THE MODS OVER THIS!!!


Because I can't upvotes them fast enough.

No, they need to be shit on for letting a power tripping mod call people paedophile over fiction and making some bullshit excuse to remove a manga by some bullshit uk law which doesn't apply to a pirate site. YOU DENSE MF!

 

[LilHoodie]

Do not forget that the content in question was uploaded from the very founding of this site. You can still browse the oldest chapters in chronological upload order, number one being the first chapter uploaded to the site.

NSFW for obvious reasons.
Number 1,2,3 used to be up but who knows when it was purged.
https://mangadex.org/chapter/4
https://mangadex.org/chapter/5
https://mangadex.org/chapter/6
https://mangadex.org/chapter/7
https://mangadex.org/chapter/8
https://mangadex.org/chapter/9
https://mangadex.org/chapter/12
https://mangadex.org/chapter/13
https://mangadex.org/chapter/14
https://mangadex.org/chapter/15
https://mangadex.org/chapter/16
https://mangadex.org/chapter/17
...etc.

If the policy has changed to exclude such content, I think it's quite literally erasing the foundations of this site.

Good stuff, thanks for the recommendations

 

[Angry_Panda]

The problem goes deeper than simply saying, “just go somewhere else.”

Many people use MD as their main source of content, relying on their follows and the ease of tracking what they’re reading. Some users have also contributed, directly or indirectly, to building the site over the years, whether as readers, group leaders, contributors, or in other roles. For many, it has been their online home since the beginning.

Having this decision made by staff members who have been on the site for less time than many of its users, and without any clear justification so far, naturally makes long-time members feel upset and frustrated. Those who feel attached to the site have every reason to voice their concerns, even more when they are treated as "pedos" because of some drawings.

Over time, people may move elsewhere, especially if things continue in this direction. But as has happened with many sites before, users will usually try to fix the problem first before accepting that nothing can be done.

Again, I don't disagree with the frustration and some of the anger over this. It was not handled especially well. But the sunk cost fallacy that so many of the commenters here are falling into is just that - a fallacy. Only the owners of the site have any real stake in it - while a huge number of users including myself have spent time and energy here, and relied on the database as a way to organize their reading, we have no 'rights' in any real sense. This is how the internet is today. I don't like it, but I have learned to accept it.

You have been licking that MD mods boot for hours since this thread got started

I am a supporter for a reason. This recent development has not persuaded me to end that support.

 

[MajinChainsawDihh]

Stop the misinformation. Titles being removed depict sexual activity between characters that are minors, either in appearance (handled on a case-by-case basis) or confirmed in the dialogue. It's about law and compliance with it. If you jerk it off to little kids, go and do it elsewhere; there are sites that specialise in that.

Respectfully go fuck yourself you high and mighty weasel

 

[ShujixXChise]

Australia, UK, Canada to name a few.


The stray cat girl series contained a high-school girl, which was ambiguous enough to be included. I'm not aware of any official content confirming her as over 18 and the scanlator did not provide any when I spoke to them.



Please see:


I won't bother with further "what about x series" replies.


If you believe there is anything wrong with what you quoted, spell it out. I don't mind replying if people are being civil, but if you're just gonna vaguepost and insult me you're just getting banned.


MD is a non-profit project, but the costs are still running. We gotta do what we gotta do. And as stated back in the takedown FAQ, one of the reasons for coming under NC management was due to the legal framework to handle claims like these.


Yes, it was uncalled for. I and several staff members wish she hadn't said that. I can't change the past, you can choose to believe in her apology or not. She's not getting demoted or removed over it. I'm not mad about it, but I think it's understandable that other people are. The choice to remove the content was unrelated to her or any staff member's personal opinion of the content.


Yes, much like you choose to follow laws instead of going to jail. Or how you choose to remove dozens of titles instead of blocking millions of users. Or how you choose to be obtuse about wording to post passive-agressive replies instead of using reasonable common sense interpratation.

No this sounds like more of a excuse to unfairly remove manga YOU deem "problematic" because in truth you want to have your cake and eat it too and get paid for it but your ignoring one thing, lolicons / shotacons own you because without us anime/manga wouldn't exist.

 

[Bartolumiu]

I always try to take a respectful approach, because it helps others see your point as more neutral and reasonable. Attacking someone personally usually only weakens your argument.

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

However, in this case, the issue began with the staff member himself when he called everyone who was trying to understand the situation “pedophiles” over drawings. That kind of accusation opens the door for people to respond just as harshly, since he started with one of the lowest insults he could use.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Keep in mind, his comment was not directed at a single person, but at anyone who reads manga that includes loli characters. Given that, I can understand why some people are responding disrespectfully at this point and I'm not one to judge.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

 

[ShujixXChise]

Again.

Just like Pixiv is a Japanese Company also based in California and they host >1 Million loli works and do not have to remove them solely due to zoning and setting your location.

You guys can do the same rather than ignorantly bending the knee and removing legal content.

Edit: Also, the "apology" is empty. The moment you falsely accuse people of the most heinous shit entirely over a cartoon, you lose any credibility.

HERE HERE Sir, HERE HERE!

 

[Blanc]

Yep, tbf, we appreciate people like that, since it's pretty much how discussions should be instead of just attacking one another.

Also true, since we didn't expect that comment to be posted at all.
For example, if you check May 15's mass takedown, you can probably see how we went radio silent for hours before releasing a public statement, since we needed time to prepare a response that could answer any questions (or at least the main ones) people had at the time.
This time, however, we didn't have the opportunity to do the things properly given that multiple steps were either skipped entirely or done incorrectly from the start.

Sure, as I said, all this mainly blew up due to the aforementioned unsavoury comments which shouldn't have happened at all, so we also understand why they're angry about it (heck, we also are).

Now, on a somewhat unrelated note, to all of those that told us to kill ourselves (because there are multiple of them), what the hell is wrong with you?

Just to be really respectful here, since one other mod already showed their opinion, why did Neko take no responsibility and get removed from the mod list? Or does she have a stake in the higher up that you guys can't go against?