Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

We should build a cradle for you. Happy first day in this forum.

Thank you, i lost my old account.

 

[OisE]

Thank you, i lost my old account.

A most needed account no doubt.

 

[Nekomizus]

No one is forcing you to follow all the rules. There is a difference in how grave the sins are, and things like not being LGBT are part of the pillars of most religions.

If you want to ignore the most important parts of religion, then what's the point of following it at all?

You're saying this in a thread about sexual manga.

 

[HolyZymurgist]

You're saying this in a thread about sexual manga.

sexual manga about children no less

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

NoYou're saying this in a thread about sexual manga.

No, i’m replying to sillyangelboy post

 

[Pyoro]

Many people just follow the 10 Commandments

Fun fact: there's multiple versions of the 10 Commandments in the Bible.

... people who are biblical literalists are a tiny, tiny minority. "The Book" is full of contradictions, updates, and in the first place, its content depend on what you accept as being part of it and what not, and even then, on how you translate it, and what you then take from the allegorical bits.

How many know that at times stories where Jesus went after dragons was part of the cannon at some point?


To bring some relevancy to this thread: people aren't machines. It's entirely possible to hold contradictory convictions - I think the death penalty is a travesty and shouldn't exist. I also think someone should shove an explosive drone up Putin's arse.

In the same way, there's no point moralizing about mangadex banning one form of content and not another. Yes, it's hypocritical. But it's run by people, and they can view things in more ways than just "this is all black, and that's all white". They can absolutely draw a wobbly line around content and be all "well this is too much, for some reason, while that's okay, even if it's technically quite similar"; for now fortunately nothing on here is enforced by AI algorithms so it's doable ^^

That of course does not excuse the reaction, how they went about it, and least of all does this mean it's definitely a good idea to do so. But those are different arguments.

 

[HolyZymurgist]

Fun fact: there's multiple versions of the 10 Commandments in the Bible.

... people who are biblical literalists are a tiny, tiny minority. "The Book" is full of contradictions, updates, and in the first place, its content depend on what you accept as being part of it and what not, and even then, on how you translate it, and what you then take from the allegorical bits.

How many know that at times stories where Jesus went after dragons was part of the cannon at some point?


To bring some relevancy to this thread: people aren't machines. It's entirely possible to hold contradictory convictions - I think the death penalty is a travesty and shouldn't exist. I also think someone should shove an explosive drone up Putin's arse.

In the same way, there's no point moralizing about mangadex banning one form of content and not another. Yes, it's hypocritical. But it's run by people, and they can view things in more ways than just "this is all black, and that's all white". They can absolutely draw a wobbly line around content and be all "well this is too much, for some reason, while that's okay, even if it's technically quite similar"; for now fortunately nothing on here is enforced by AI algorithms so it's doable ^^

That of course does not excuse the reaction, how they went about it, and least of all does this mean it's definitely a good idea to do so. But those are different arguments.

this requires a level of intellect and introspection that the average person is literally incapable of doing.

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

A most needed account no doubt.

I will still take the cradle tho.

 

[sillyangelboy]

No one is forcing you to follow all the rules. There is a difference in how grave the sins are, and things like not being LGBT are part of the pillars of most religions.

If you want to ignore the most important parts of religion, then what's the point of following it at all?

The thing is, not being LGBT isn't a pillar of Christianity. It's nowhere near foundational to the faith, and in fact, the few places it is mentioned are highly contentious because of the difficulty in translating Hebrew to English, since we are so far removed from the time the original text was written that we have very little cultural context for the words that were chosen.
The core beliefs of any Christian faith are the 10 Commandments and the parables of Jesus, but even then, as someone else mentioned, those are also up to interpretation simply by nature of the people subscribing to these faiths being human. Everything else, likewise, is highly up to interpretation. There are countless different denominations for this very reason.

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

The thing is, not being LGBT isn't a pillar of Christianity. It's nowhere near foundational to the faith, and in fact, the few places it is mentioned are highly contentious because of the difficulty in translating Hebrew to English, since we are so far removed from the time the original text was written that we have very little cultural context for the words that were chosen.
The core beliefs of any Christian faith are the 10 Commandments and the parables of Jesus. Everything else produced "AD" is meant to be interpreted and applied to one's life as they see fit, there are countless different denominations for this reason.

Can we stop with the excuses to make ourselves feel better and see things as they truly are?

The Bible addresses same-sex sexual behavior clearly and consistently as sinful, not open to interpretation not implied, there is not 1 bible i have read without text against same-sex sexuality.

10 seconds on google all you need.

 

[Mazaky]

Ah, I must've missed that in all the chatter. Thought it was a mod, not an admin. Dunno if they were around from the founding, but if so, wouldn't they have final authority on what they want and don't want to see on their site? If people don't want to support them because they can't find titles they're looking for, no one is twisting their arm and forcing them to. I'm pretty sure the site would do just fine without certain titles, regardless of how haphazardly the rule is applied. Again, just because it's community-supported doesn't mean that the community can dictate everything. Sure, hit them in the pocketbook to prove a point, but is there enough to do just that? I'm pretty sure the site would survive with or without whatever titles people are taking issue with. I mean, what's to stop them from reinstating them only to have them mysteriously nuked under a "DMCA takedown" notice? How is that any different? This is taking any of the admin's comments out of the equation, mind you.

If we're being honest, none of the "legal mumbo-jumbo" presented on this site would stand up in court anyway, and it's really just a poor attempt to avoid running afoul of any laws (a really bad way of "get out of jail free").

It’s not a founding admin; it’s someone who joined relatively recently (around two years ago) and appears to have close ties with NamiComi, which is part of the broader issue here.

I agree that the staff ultimately have final authority. However, I disagree with the idea that the community cannot influence basic features of the site. The platform is not only community-supported but community-based. It runs on content created by others. If the staff were producing the content themselves, your argument would be stronger. But since everything on the site is created entirely by the community, that community naturally has a stronger voice and greater leverage than the staff, whose role should primarily be to maintain the site as a reliable hub for that content.

I would recommend looking at this comment I made where I go into more detail about the issues surrounding this situation, as I don’t want to repeat the same points. It should be obvious, though, that if contributors stop uploading their scan group content to MD, the site would suffer. DMCA takedowns at least have a clear justification, and people can usually verify them through formal notices issued to the site. That is very different from selectively removing content because it is deemed “problematic,” especially when there is no clear reasoning provided to support that decision and would affect in reality around 90% of the content of the site, since it's not specifically "loli" content but any "underage-related" content, which would vanish any slice-of-life that contains romance from adolescents, as I mentioned in the other comment, titles like Kaguya-sama, Sono Bisque, Horimiya, Berserk and many other would be in those rules to be also removed from this site.

You also touched on the main issue people are raising. The staff’s justification for the takedown focuses entirely on the alleged illegality of the content. But considering that the site itself is built around unauthorized content, which would not stand up in court, it raises the question of why they are relying so heavily on a legal argument—especially if the specific content in question does not actually violate any laws.

When you combine this with the staff member’s comment, in which he effectively labeled anyone who reads any “loli” content as a pedophile, it becomes easier to understand why the situation escalated so quickly.

 

[Miros]

A fair portion of denominations within Protestant Christianity (excluding the evangelicals) do accept LBGT members to some degree. In some cases they are also allowed to serve as clergy.

There is a big ass difference between tolarate and accept

 

[kira761]

Not surprised a transexual staff / admin started all of this. these ppl always invade moderation / admin teams across communities and change the rules / culture from within, they have a heightened sense of morality because they depend on said morality for their social acceptance and inclusion.

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

Not surprised a transexual staff / admin started all of this. these ppl always invade moderation / admin teams across communities and change the rules / culture from within, they have a heightened sense of morality because they depend on said morality for their social acceptance and inclusion.

It is always them.

 

[sillyangelboy]

Can we stop with the excuses to make ourselves feel better and see things as they truly are?

The Bible addresses same-sex sexual behavior clearly and consistently as sinful, not open to interpretation not implied, there is not 1 bible i have read without text against same-sex sexuality.

10 seconds on google all you need.

"Excuses"?? Dude, the Bible barely mentions homosexuality as it is, and the places that people claim it does can also be interpreted as criticizing self-indulgent lifestyles in general. For example, some believe the story of Sodom to be clearly anti-gay, while others believe it to be a cautionary tale against allowing a society to fall into inhospitality and selfishness.
Passages in modern bibles where homosexuality is explicitly mentioned can also be traced back to the original Hebrew text, and seen to be much more unclear than you might've been led to believe.
Motivations of the translators (who were a powerful class at the time that the Canon as we know it was agreed upon due to literacy being a rare skill) aside, the translations of these texts vary wildly due to missing cultural context and the fact that it was transmitted orally for YEARS before ever being written down. It's similar to how the Romans took "son of God" as literal when Paul began preaching to them because, in their culture, they believed that Gods could have literal children, when in reality, it was likely a Jewish turn of phrase that meant "a morally upstanding person" at the time (because, yknow... Jesus was a countercultural rabbi who existed within a Jewish context for his entire lifetime. Christianity didn't split from Judaism until nearly a century after his death, and wasn't organized into a definitive canon until centuries after that.)
Again, we just don't know the cultural context of the time because we're so far removed from it, so it's quite literally impossible to say one way or the other regardless of what you or I personally hold to be true.

With all due respect, maybe you should spend more than 10 seconds on Google, my guy. It takes a lot more time than that to research something like this. Don't let yourself fall into the idea that things like these are so clear cut, because it's nowhere near, especially when it comes to something as intrinsically personal as religion. There is no "as it truly is" for that reason alone.

I'm not engaging with this further, as I have schoolwork I need to do and it's veering waaay off topic (my own fault tbh, I yap a lot about this stuff.)
Peace and love to you, man, Im sure we can get along over lolisho or something another time.

Edit: edited for word choice + prose.

 

[OisE]

Not surprised a transexual staff / admin started all of this. these ppl always invade moderation / admin teams across communities and change the rules / culture from within, they have a heightened sense of morality because they depend on said morality for their social acceptance and inclusion.

It is always them.

Happy to see you leave. We don't need people like you here.

 

[Nekomizus]

It is always them.

Furries too.

 

[kira761]

Happy to see you leave. We don't need people like you here.

im happy to see you people single handedly set back the entire lgbtq movement years for bein obnoxious. you are doing a great job at garnering good will for your cause

 

[OisE]

im happy to see you people single handedly set back the entire lgbtq movement years for bein obnoxious.

Do you know me?? What are you shitting about?

 

[kira761]

Do you know me?? What are you shitting about?

the kind of people you are defending obviously