Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[jannick1010]

I think it's this
mods > admins > devs (since they develop the site)

namicomi and md have the same people behind it, and the developers don't seem to have much power in decision making.

honestly the wording is so vauge in all their official statements it's hard to know

 

[jannick1010]

There is something he can do, shutting up Instead of making excuses.

he literally can't, he doesn't even have access to the metadata of the deleted titles

 

[kingzzoof]

he literally can't, he doesn't even have access to the metadata of the deleted titles

He can't shut up?

It is clear what he is doing

-minimizing what his friend did, while exaggerating other people's anger.

-trying to make things more complicated than they are, to confuse outsiders making them feel like people are angry at nothing.

-using the good guy image trying to minimize damage.

so they can sweep it under the rug after everything calms down.

CLASSIC PR TACTICS.

 

[Nekomizus]

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.

How many scanlators get permission from publishers to create and upload their media? Not even near half I'd bet.

 

[Straif_Sitri]

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.

It's not just Lolishota stuff that would be understandable what started it was before Neko changed their post they said it was anything containing anything sexual where the manga did not say they were 18+ this would include things like Shuffle,DxD,Beserk,Freezeing and when confronted about it Neko went straight to insulting the community until they changed their statement and I personally haven't seen them since

 

[DreadOp]

Reminder to go to Advance Search, sort by Highest Rating, and report every manga that breaches this new rule.
Mangadex needs to see how much of their catalogue and most popular anime they are sacrificing.

 

[Nekomizus]

It's not just Lolishota stuff that would be understandable what started it was before Neko changed their post they said it was anything containing anything sexual where the manga did not say they were 18+ this would include things like Shuffle,DxD,Beserk,Freezeing and when confronted about it Neko went straight to insulting the community until they changed their statement and I personally haven't seen them since

Popular reads will never be on the chopping block because they are too profitable. That said anyone who supports censorship doesn't deserve nuance and I wish they would apply their rule fairly so everyone who doesn't move after this gets burned by it as well.

 

[nightvolt]

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.

It anything highschool or under 18 related that contains any sexual stuff. That is a fucking good chunk of manga. Dragonball has young bulma flashing her pantyless self towards roshi that would fall under the same policy. You also got nude kid goku.

 

[kingzzoof]

Popular reads will never be on the chopping block because they are too profitable. That said anyone who supports censorship doesn't deserve nuance and I wish they would apply their rule fairly so everyone who doesn't move after this gets burned by it as well.

There will always be a risk staying here. Even if they reverse the decision, can you trust that it won’t happen again?

 

[Nekomizus]

There will always be a risk staying here. Even if they reverse the decision, can you trust that it won’t happen again?

The only safe option at this point is DDL/BT because if it can be taken down without your input, it's best to assume it will be.

 

[Owyoushotme]

Over the past two decades, I’ve been through so many sites that I eventually started keeping track of everything I read in a huge, well-organized Excel spreadsheet. Yeah, I’m old, but this bad boy has never failed me once.

I hate looking at excel, decades of EVE flashbacks and warehouse inventory management have poisoned it ffor me, but it may be the way to go.

 

[sorawild]

Lolisho is illegal in most countries whereas the rest of your list is considered artistic

There are 11 countries where lolisho content is illegal (and only 2 of them actually enforce it). Meanwhile, there are 64 countries where homosexuality is illegal (all of them enforce it) and the amount is actually increasing.

 

[Z3RYX]

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.

If you actually know a site that is as organized as MD, is a scanlation hub (not aggregator), and specializes in lolisho, then please let me know.

I know some places that tolerate loli, but none that actually categorize their entries as well as MD does.

 

[kingzzoof]

There are 11 countries where lolisho content is illegal (and only 2 of them actually enforce it). Meanwhile, there are 64 countries where homosexuality is illegal (all of them enforce it) and the amount is actually increasing.

180 countries consider piracy illegal, didn’t stop them.

 

[VladTheImpaler]

If you actually know a site that is as organized as MD, is a scanlation hub (not aggregator), and specializes in lolisho, then please let me know.

I know some places that tolerate loli, but none that actually categorize their entries as well as MD does.

Exactly that! I've only used mangadex since 2020 for the most part and I had forgotten how disorganized it was before. Looked for a few different ones today and I just don't have the patience anymore to sift through chinese/korean slop (not saying its all bad but god damn do they ever pump out content like crazy) Not only that, a bunch of the sites I used to use are no longer with us

 

[Mazaky]

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.

The problem is how broad the supposed rule is and the fact that the removals were done stealthy. If this thread hadn’t blown up after a staff member called users “pedos” for reading loli content, most people wouldn’t even have known about it.

Mangadex is a scanlation hub, so taking such a questionable approach while enforcing a rule broad enough to cover some of its most popular manga, like Kaguya-sama, Horimiya, Berserk, and many others, makes the situation worse. Applying the rule selectively, based on whether a title is “too popular to remove” despite technically falling under it, only undermines the credibility of both the policy and its enforcement which makes this entire argument more convoluted and stupid, even more if you take into account that this site is based on illegal copyrighted content which would go at it again to why they are making such attempt to be "legal" while hosting illegal content themselves.

The legal argument is also debatable. As far as we users were aware, and according to the site’s own Terms of Service, the platform operates under U.S. law, to which there is no clear legal basis against loli content and the removing of said content could even raise First Amendment concerns. We also have to take into account that If the site shifted its headquarters to the UK amid the current climate there, it’s understandable why some would see that as a deliberate move that would lead to these changes and make even less sense why they would make the move in the first place without communicating anything or changing their TOS. From that perspective, it can come across as an intentional decision by internal staff that ultimately makes the site worse in the eyes of everyone involved.

Again, even if you dislike Loli content this opens the breach to either a move to be a "legal" manga site, as Crunchyroll and Fakku did and how Mangadex has been trying to do for many years now, and the removal of many more content and cersorship of the entire site, maybe for new users, new manga readers or even younger people this seems like a blow out of proportion issue but for anyone that has been in this for many times over the years is clear as day what is happening and what they are leading on.

 

[deackychu]

The only safe option at this point is DDL/BT because if it can be taken down without your input, it's best to assume it will be.

When was uploading any title to this site "safe" in the first place? Have people really been lulled into that false sense of security over the years? Yeah, the great purge last year came as a huge shock, but was it really all that surprising in the end? All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

What I really don't get about this thread (or the threads in general) is how people are acting like the sniping/removal of titles is somehow a personal attack on them. Rules/guidelines on sites/apps are in place for a reason. Sure, all of it could probably have been handled way better than how it came off, and it seems like there was a rogue mod involved, but I think people take for granted uploading whatever the heck they want on here. There has never been a guarantee that titles uploaded here will remain available. While the new rule wasn't dialed in as finely as it could have been/should have been (which is why random scenes from titles could fall under that category), but again, so what? This is a pirate site. People should be used to titles vanishing on a whim. Maybe it's doing this stuff for 20+ years that I've seen people hopping all over the place to access stuff, but Jeez Louise, people have this weird sense of entitlement.

 

[LordofLeechers]

maybe for new users, new manga readers or even younger people this seems like a blow out of proportion issue but for anyone that has been in this for many times over the years is clear as day what is happening and what they are leading on.

It's all so tiresome. But, such is the fate of we who sail the seven seas.

 

[Mazaky]

When was uploading any title to this site "safe" in the first place? Have people really been lulled into that false sense of security over the years? Yeah, the great purge last year came as a huge shock, but was it really all that surprising in the end? All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.

What I really don't get about this thread (or the threads in general) is how people are acting like the sniping/removal of titles is somehow a personal attack on them. Rules/guidelines on sites/apps are in place for a reason. Sure, all of it could probably have been handled way better than how it came off, and it seems like there was a rogue mod involved, but I think people take for granted uploading whatever the heck they want on here. There has never been a guarantee that titles uploaded here will remain available. While the new rule wasn't dialed in as finely as it could have been/should have been (which is why random scenes from titles could fall under that category), but again, so what? This is a pirate site. People should be used to titles vanishing on a whim. Maybe it's doing this stuff for 20+ years that I've seen people hopping all over the place to access stuff, but Jeez Louise, people have this weird sense of entitlement.

People began taking it as a personal attack the moment a staff member justified the removal by reducing the argument to “loli content is bad” and calling those who consume it pedophiles. This isn’t a “rogue mod” with minimal power, but an admin who, as even another moderator mentioned, is higher in the hierarchy and has more authority over what does or does not happen on the site.

The main justification for enforcing the rule in the first place is supposedly “legal reasons.” However, as you yourself mentioned, this is a pirate site. A far more significant legal issue would be the illegal copyrighted content that is spread all over the site, yet that does not seem to be treated with the same level of concern.

Let’s also not forget that this entire site is built on the community. Translations are not done by staff, revenue depends on supporters, and scan groups bring readers to the site. The staff are not solely responsible for its existence; without the community’s involvement, the site would not exist in the first place.

If the staff were handling all the translations themselves and self-funding the site, your point might make more sense. But they are not. As I mentioned before, and I’ll keep this brief to avoid repeating myself, the broad “legal reasons” given to justify these rules and guidelines do not make sense as currently applied. They are too vague and inconsistent, especially when some of the most popular manga would technically fall under the same criteria, yet the enforcement appears to target specific, less popular titles instead.

 

[yogurtman250]

People began taking it as a personal attack the moment a staff member justified the removal by reducing the argument to “loli content is bad” and calling those who consume it pedophiles. This isn’t a “rogue mod” with minimal power, but an admin who, as even another moderator mentioned, is higher in the hierarchy and has more authority over what does or does not happen on the site.

The main justification for enforcing the rule in the first place is supposedly “legal reasons.” However, as you yourself mentioned, this is a pirate site. A far more significant legal issue would be the illegal copyrighted content that is spread all over the site, yet that does not seem to be treated with the same level of concern.

Let’s also not forget that this entire site is built on the community. Translations are not done by staff, revenue depends on supporters, and scan groups bring readers to the site. The staff are not solely responsible for its existence; without the community’s involvement, the site would not exist in the first place.

If the staff were handling all the translations themselves and self-funding the site, your point might make more sense. But they are not. As I mentioned before, and I’ll keep this brief to avoid repeating myself, the broad “legal reasons” given to justify these rules and guidelines do not make sense as currently applied. They are too vague and inconsistent, especially when some of the most popular manga would technically fall under the same criteria, yet the enforcement appears to target specific, less popular titles instead.

Yeah what the admin did was completely stupid. I even wrote an scuffed "analysis" about the message today.