Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[LilHoodie]

@Bartolumiu Do you know if there's an ETA for when the staff team will actually officially address the issue (via announcement channels and not as replies in these threads)? We still don't have much transparency on the whole thing.

Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you

 

[Bartolumiu]

You love using the words "both sides" yet only targeting one and making excuses for the other.

I tmight look that way where you're sitting, but that's exactly why we handle staff issues internally rather than in the thread.
Just because you don't see the "other side" of the moderation process happening in public doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Since rignt now we're just repeating the same points now and the conversation is turning into a loop, I'm going to leave it at that. We've certainly got plenty of feedback to work with already...

 

[ShujixXChise]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to change their mind on the situation, that's not what I'm trying to do at all...
And yes, I know not everyone is going to agree with the "both sides" approach of our internal policies, and that's completely fine, but since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

I'm sorry but thats because mods keep ignoring us instead of doing whats right and restoring the manga which is: noraneko shoujo to no kurashikata, because removing this isn't going to fix anything and has only angered the users and yeah MeccaFlare is right rewriting rule 3.1.1 would be a good first step in fixing this problem because fictional characters being sexualized in not even in the same ball park as a actual child being csem'd.

And dealing with your rogue mod (which hopefully your doing)

 

[roguezilla]

Appreciate the heads up
You're right that things aren't going to cool down instantly while the core issues are still being felt there.
Thanks for keeping it civil tho

i mean i only caught up now, but this whole almost 50 page shit throwing contest couldve been easily avoided with transparency and without an admin acting like a smartass, no?

 

[Bartolumiu]

i mean i only caught up now, but this whole almost 50 page shit throwing contest couldve been easily avoided with transparency and without an admin acting like a smartass, no?

Pretty much, yeah

 

[Z3RYX]

Yeah, I wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you

They'll have to address it at some point if this is actually a policy change. Groups need to know about the new rules/enforcement.

 

[LordofLeechers]

since the conversation has shifted from the actual issue to just personal jabs, we've pretty much reached the end of what can be discussed here.

Since you said that you are taking things said into consideration, allow me to offer at least one more bite: please, in the future, let us know before you begin a purge. I know that it is difficult to coordinate, but silently deleting manga and hoping we don't notice is absolutely the worst way to handle this kind of thing. If you want us to trust and support you, please communicate with us, and don't try to sweep things under the rug.

Failing that, at the very least, don't delete the metadata so that those of us who have reached our limit can safely and easily compile our lists so that we can take our things and leave without a fuss.

 

[Nekomizus]

This thread really went down the tone policing route instead of focusing on what really matters and that is the censorship. I couldn't care less what a mod thinks about loli manga. The issue is that the opinion of said mods have impacted the site.

 

[SiegFire]

ONLY 10 ENTRIES GOT DELETED AND FUTURES ACTIONS ARE PAUSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE

10 entries being deleted (with at least 2 of them being the earliest entries from what I heard) is already too much by the time this mod team got caught red handed & had to provide a “statement”. Might as well bite the bullet on my end and start logging in the remaining +200 mangas into a list. Between this & Anime Tosho shutting down in a few months, today is not my day.

 

[ShujixXChise]

When trying to move a discussion into a productive direction it's imo best not to argue about whether it should be productive, but to pro-actively just go ahead and provide something productive to debate. The moment you do people will move on and discuss it.

So what's the proposed "common solution"?

Yeah i second this actually because trying to brush this whole thing under the rug has gotten them nowhere.

 

[Bartolumiu]

I'm sorry but thats because mods keep ignoring us instead of doing whats right and restoring the manga which is: noraneko shoujo to no kurashikata, because removing this isn't going to fix anything and has only angered the users and yeah MeccaFlare is right rewriting rule 3.1.1 would be a good first step in fixing this problem because fictional characters being sexualized in not even in the same ball park as a actual child being csem'd.

And dealing with your rogue mod (which hopefully your doing)

Noted (things like this can't be decided in a single forum thread, but I'll pass it to the team for consideration), thx!

 

[yogurtman250]

Pretty much, yeah

She had it coming with doing such a dick move. This is what happens when an admin goes rogue, I guess

 

[reicchimaster]

Time to move on fellas. Mangadex is already killing itself. There are so many good alternatives.

 

[Ixarabxi]

I tmight look that way where you're sitting, but that's exactly why we handle staff issues internally rather than in the thread.
Just because you don't see the "other side" of the moderation process happening in public doesn't mean it isn't happening.
Since rign now we're just repeating the same points now and the conversation is turning into a loop, I'm going to leave it at that. We've certainly got plenty of feedback to work with already...

True, we reached a point we repeat the same conversations, no accountability or transparency all excuses and blaming others.

I will leave to a site that respects its users and dosn’t remove works without notice, i suggest other people do the same.

 

[Bartolumiu]

Since you said that you are taking things said into consideration, allow me to offer at least one more bite: please, in the future, let us know before you begin a purge. I know that it is difficult to coordinate, but silently deleting manga and hoping we don't notice is absolutely the worst way to handle this kind of thing. If you want us to trust and support you, please communicate with us, and don't try to sweep things under the rug.

Failing that, at the very least, don't delete the metadata so that those of us who have reached our limit can safely and easily compile our lists so that we can take our things and leave without a fuss.

Fair point, and honestly, a pretty reasonable request.
Silently removing stuff never feels great for anyone following it (be it chapters or entire entries).
As (I think) I mentioned earlier (not sure anymore, since my brain's already fried due to replying to pretty much every single post in here), we're currently considering ways to restore data partially so as to help users manage their own lists.
On the other hand, communication is certainly something we can (and need to) work on, so thanks for the constructive "last bite".

 

[jannick1010]

What would I know about it? I'm only given orders
Us mods are literally at the lowest level of the staff chain of command...

what is the order like?
mods -> devs -> admins?

 

[yogurtman250]

what is the order like?
mods -> devs -> admins?

I think it's this
mods > admins > devs (since they develop the site)

 

[yogurtman250]

Either way, bart still can't do shit in this situation...

 

[kingzzoof]

Either way, bart still can't do shit in this situation...

There is something he can do, shutting up Instead of making excuses for his friend.

 

[jannick1010]

You're forgetting something, EtherealNeko called us a paedophile over fictional manga characters because we dared to speak up about the unfair removal of a manga, WE have every right to be angry when a fucking tourist mod starts shitting on a manga and moralfags about it in a thread. Umm hello this is a pirate site? FUCK YO UK LAW!

mangadex is a scanlation hub...

personally i believe they have the right to remove any manga title they want, especially when it threatens them legally.

i don't see why removing loli pron is so bad, especially since there are sote dedicated to that. As far as i know, they title metadata isn't deleted, so maybe they are working on something.