Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[Pauan]

While irl what you mean about self-defense might be applied, on a forum this only turns into neverending wars.
Our jobs isn't to play judge and jury on who started it or who's "morally correct", since that's completely pointless by now.
If we let everyone swing back just because they felt attacked first, we'll just be here forever going on and on about the same thing, isntead of just doing whatever else we want to do (which for most people it's certainly not being stuck here).
So, in short, what we're asking for is for everyone involved to dial it back a bit so we can move forward and maybe reach a common solution, regardless of who threw the first punch.

Nope, it applies everywhere.

There's a simple way to stop the neverending war: timeout / ban the person who started it.

I will be crystal clear here: this entire situation is 100% MangaDex's fault.

• MangaDex chose to betray their original founding principles.
• MangaDex chose to completely delete series without any prior warning or notice.
• MangaDex chose to delete all of the metadata for those series, instead of only the chapters, which is different from how MangaDex handles DMCA claims.
• MangaDex called everybody who disagreed with this action pedophiles.
• MangaDex still has not apologized for this, or taken any sort of corrective action.
• MangaDex then lied repeatedly, claiming that this problem cannot be fixed, and that the only way for MangaDex to survive is to censor things, which has been proven wrong.
• MangaDex has still refused to address the numerous legitimate questions which have been asked in this thread.

This has completely destroyed any trust that people have in MangaDex. This behavior is completely and utterly unacceptable.

The longer that MangaDex refuses to fix the problem, the worse it will escalate.

You exist because of the community, you exist because of the fans, because of the supporters, because of the donations, because of the scanlators, because of the readers.

That community only exists because of trust, which has now been repeatedly violated.

And instead of attempting to restore that trust, you keep insinuating that the community is at fault for being angry at being mistreated.

The community is correct in being angry. This is NOT a "both sides are bad" situation.

The community are not the ones who need to calm down. MangaDex is 100% at fault, MangaDex is the one that must take responsibility, admit fault, and correct the bad behavior.

 

[yogurtman250]

Honestly sometimes I wonder who the person who accepted the AI idea was, and why they did it

 

[Pauan]

I don't, but we just have a consistent policy of not airing staff disciplinary details in public threads.
I know it's probably not the answer some of you are looking for, but it's how we operate.
As I mentioned arleady a couple of times, the feedback has been noted, and the internal review is happening. Beyond that, there isn't much more we can say on the matter here.

And that's the wrong way of handling things.

When a user misbehaves, there is a very public message that they have broken the rules.

Admins should be held to an even higher standard than users, because they have far more power than users. They must use that power responsibly.

If admins are allowed to get a slap on the wrist behind closed doors, that just makes it easy for admins to abuse their power and get away with it. How can the community trust MangaDex in that situation?

 

[yogurtman250]

If admins are allowed to get a slap on the wrist behind closed doors, that just makes it easy for admins to abuse their power and get away with it. How can the community trust MangaDex in that situation?

They won't probably. I personally think this person is unfit to be an admin, due to... you know. Unless she proves she's capable, she should get demoted to a forum moderator at the very least. But everyone but the admins think that, so we can't do much

 

[RogueKitsune]

@RogueKitsune please put this on the first post or whatever its called

If Barto (or another mod) wants me to add additional information to the opening post they can ask me.

Believe it or not I am on friendly terms with most of the mods and we tend to have open and civilized discourse.

 

[yogurtman250]

If Barto (or another mod) wants me to add additional information to the opening post they can ask me.

Believe it or not I am on friendly terms with most of the mods and we tend to have open and civilized discourse.

Ah okay. Are you able to ask anyone about anything at the moment?

 

[yogurtman250]

I hope so...

 

[RogueKitsune]

Ah okay. Are you able to ask anyone about anything at the moment?

Any information that can be shared to the "public" has been shared to the best of my knowledge.

 

[yogurtman250]

Any information that can be shared to the "public" has been shared to the best of my knowledge.

Okay! I just hope they'll give a detailed explanation about all of this soon.
I wonder if we'll see Neko in the forums again...

 

[yogurtman250]

I wonder if we'll see Neko in the forums again...

It would be quite ironic if she did next year's anniversary thread

 

[furryadminhypocrite]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog

Do new reports go bottom of the queue or top of the queue?

I love these kinds of people that don't directly address the original argument made and just keep attacking the person making the argument while also providing a vague counterpoint with nothing to back them whatsoever.

Truly, our brightest minds.

Mr. David, we're here for the pirated content.

 

[yogurtman250]

Honestly, I'm lowkey here for the forums now...

 

[sillyangelboy]

Under every single interpretation of Sharia law, homosexuality is illegal, including transgenderism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_by_country_or_territory

So I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to defend Muslims and Sharia law. Why do you think they're your allies?

I don't, and I'm not trying to defend it. Nowhere did I mention homosexuality nor being transgender, either. That was all you, my friend.
I was simply clearing up misinformation and telling you what sharia was, nothing more. You can take your weird roundabout arguments somewhere else, if you're so desperate to be correct.

Edit: not to mention, not every Muslim even follows Sharia entirely. Do you wholeheartedly believe that every Christian follows the word of the Bible to the letter? Because they clearly don't, different sects exist within the Muslim faith that accept homosexuality and being transgender just fine.
Like with every faith, there is a wide range of nuance — you're ignoring for the purpose of overgeneralizing one of the largest religions on Earth.

Peace and love to you, I said what I wanted to say and I'm not entertaining this childish stupidity further.

 

[Gian]

Stop the misinformation. Titles being removed depict sexual activity between characters that are minors, either in appearance (handled on a case-by-case basis) or confirmed in the dialogue. It's about law and compliance with it. If you jerk it off to little kids, go and do it elsewhere; there are sites that specialise in that.

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Staff note: Please refer to the following post for a somewhat less unsavoury follow up on this.
https://forums.mangadex.org/posts/29007231

Best staff response ever. Really makes this whole mess more bearable. Seriously, I mean it. The more you people shit the bed like that, the less sad I'm about MD's inevitable demise.

 

[yogurtman250]

Best staff response ever. Really makes this whole mess more bearable. Seriously, I mean it. The more you people shit the bed like that, the less sad I'm about MD's inevitable demise.

I know right? worst response I've seen yet. Genuinely there's no way Neko gets away with this scot-free 😭

 

[Angry_Panda]

Huh.

 

[yogurtman250]

Honestly, I just hope the site survives in some shape or form. Either it's some stupid corporate shell of its former self, or something else entirely... I just hope at least some parts of the site stayed as it is...

 

[kingzzoof]

I don't, and I'm not trying to defend it. Nowhere did I mention homosexuality nor being transgender, either. That was all you, my friend.
I was simply clearing up misinformation and telling you what sharia was, nothing more. You can take your weird roundabout arguments somewhere else, if you're so desperate to be correct.

Edit: not to mention, not every Muslim even follows Sharia entirely. Do you wholeheartedly believe that every Christian follows the word of the Bible to the letter? Because they clearly don't, different sects exist within the Muslim faith that accept homosexuality and being transgender just fine.
Like with every faith, there is a wide range of nuance — you're ignoring for the purpose of overgeneralizing one of the largest religions on Earth.

Peace and love to you, I said what I wanted to say and I'm not entertaining this childish stupidity further.

No, dude. There is no sect of Islam or Christianity that accepts LGBT stuff. In both religions, it is considered a major sin and is clearly stated as such in their scriptures.

There are small radical sects that accept it, but no major or mainstream sects do.

 

[deackychu]

People began taking it as a personal attack the moment a staff member justified the removal by reducing the argument to “loli content is bad” and calling those who consume it pedophiles. This isn’t a “rogue mod” with minimal power, but an admin who, as even another moderator mentioned, is higher in the hierarchy and has more authority over what does or does not happen on the site.

The main justification for enforcing the rule in the first place is supposedly “legal reasons.” However, as you yourself mentioned, this is a pirate site. A far more significant legal issue would be the illegal copyrighted content that is spread all over the site, yet that does not seem to be treated with the same level of concern.

Let’s also not forget that this entire site is built on the community. Translations are not done by staff, revenue depends on supporters, and scan groups bring readers to the site. The staff are not solely responsible for its existence; without the community’s involvement, the site would not exist in the first place.

If the staff were handling all the translations themselves and self-funding the site, your point might make more sense. But they are not. As I mentioned before, and I’ll keep this brief to avoid repeating myself, the broad “legal reasons” given to justify these rules and guidelines do not make sense as currently applied. They are too vague and inconsistent, especially when some of the most popular manga would technically fall under the same criteria, yet the enforcement appears to target specific, less popular titles instead.

Ah, I must've missed that in all the chatter. Thought it was a mod, not an admin. Dunno if they were around from the founding, but if so, wouldn't they have final authority on what they want and don't want to see on their site? If people don't want to support them because they can't find titles they're looking for, no one is twisting their arm and forcing them to. I'm pretty sure the site would do just fine without certain titles, regardless of how haphazardly the rule is applied. Again, just because it's community-supported doesn't mean that the community can dictate everything. Sure, hit them in the pocketbook to prove a point, but is there enough to do just that? I'm pretty sure the site would survive with or without whatever titles people are taking issue with. I mean, what's to stop them from reinstating them only to have them mysteriously nuked under a "DMCA takedown" notice? How is that any different? This is taking any of the admin's comments out of the equation, mind you.

If we're being honest, none of the "legal mumbo-jumbo" presented on this site would stand up in court anyway, and it's really just a poor attempt to avoid running afoul of any laws (a really bad way of "get out of jail free").

 

[sillyangelboy]

No dude, there is no sect of islam or christianity accept lgbt stuff, in both it is a major sin.

Is there small radical sects accept it sure, but no major or big sects exist

Brother, I live in the deep south. I was raised Christian, and so was my gay ass brother. It's not as clear cut as you want to believe, especially not in the modern day.

By the letter of a text that was written hundreds of years ago for an entirely different era when sodomy and the like could be actually life-threatening, yes, it's a sin. But now?? I haven't met a single Christian (OR Muslim) who cares about who I'm bumping uglies with.
In other parts of the world, it's worse. But where I live, people have the freedom to choose to follow the letter of love within their religion. A Christian or a Muslim being gay or accepting gay people, at least in America, is nowhere near "radical" or out of the ordinary. In other parts of the world? Sure, but that speaks more about the danger of state-sanctioned religion than anything.