Mangadex to purge titles for legal reasons

[yogurtman250]

I wonder if we'll see Neko in the forums again...

It would be quite ironic if she did next year's anniversary thread

 

[yogurtman250]

Honestly, I'm lowkey here for the forums now...

 

[sillyangelboy]

Under every single interpretation of Sharia law, homosexuality is illegal, including transgenderism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_by_country_or_territory

So I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to defend Muslims and Sharia law. Why do you think they're your allies?

I don't, and I'm not trying to defend it. Nowhere did I mention homosexuality nor being transgender, either. That was all you, my friend.
I was simply clearing up misinformation and telling you what sharia was, nothing more. You can take your weird roundabout arguments somewhere else, if you're so desperate to be correct.

Edit: not to mention, not every Muslim even follows Sharia entirely. Do you wholeheartedly believe that every Christian follows the word of the Bible to the letter? Because they clearly don't, different sects exist within the Muslim faith that accept homosexuality and being transgender just fine.
Like with every faith, there is a wide range of nuance — you're ignoring for the purpose of overgeneralizing one of the largest religions on Earth.

Peace and love to you, I said what I wanted to say and I'm not entertaining this childish stupidity further.

 

[Gian]

Stop the misinformation. Titles being removed depict sexual activity between characters that are minors, either in appearance (handled on a case-by-case basis) or confirmed in the dialogue. It's about law and compliance with it. If you jerk it off to little kids, go and do it elsewhere; there are sites that specialise in that.

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Staff note: Please refer to the following post for a somewhat less unsavoury follow up on this.
https://forums.mangadex.org/posts/29007231

Best staff response ever. Really makes this whole mess more bearable. Seriously, I mean it. The more you people shit the bed like that, the less sad I'm about MD's inevitable demise.

 

[yogurtman250]

Best staff response ever. Really makes this whole mess more bearable. Seriously, I mean it. The more you people shit the bed like that, the less sad I'm about MD's inevitable demise.

I know right? worst response I've seen yet. Genuinely there's no way Neko gets away with this scot-free 😭

 

[Angry_Panda]

Huh.

 

[yogurtman250]

Honestly, I just hope the site survives in some shape or form. Either it's some stupid corporate shell of its former self, or something else entirely... I just hope at least some parts of the site stayed as it is...

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

I don't, and I'm not trying to defend it. Nowhere did I mention homosexuality nor being transgender, either. That was all you, my friend.
I was simply clearing up misinformation and telling you what sharia was, nothing more. You can take your weird roundabout arguments somewhere else, if you're so desperate to be correct.

Edit: not to mention, not every Muslim even follows Sharia entirely. Do you wholeheartedly believe that every Christian follows the word of the Bible to the letter? Because they clearly don't, different sects exist within the Muslim faith that accept homosexuality and being transgender just fine.
Like with every faith, there is a wide range of nuance — you're ignoring for the purpose of overgeneralizing one of the largest religions on Earth.

Peace and love to you, I said what I wanted to say and I'm not entertaining this childish stupidity further.

No, dude. There is no sect of Islam or Christianity that accepts LGBT stuff. In both religions, it is considered a major sin and is clearly stated as such in their scriptures.

There are small radical sects that accept it, but no major or mainstream sects do.

 

[deackychu]

People began taking it as a personal attack the moment a staff member justified the removal by reducing the argument to “loli content is bad” and calling those who consume it pedophiles. This isn’t a “rogue mod” with minimal power, but an admin who, as even another moderator mentioned, is higher in the hierarchy and has more authority over what does or does not happen on the site.

The main justification for enforcing the rule in the first place is supposedly “legal reasons.” However, as you yourself mentioned, this is a pirate site. A far more significant legal issue would be the illegal copyrighted content that is spread all over the site, yet that does not seem to be treated with the same level of concern.

Let’s also not forget that this entire site is built on the community. Translations are not done by staff, revenue depends on supporters, and scan groups bring readers to the site. The staff are not solely responsible for its existence; without the community’s involvement, the site would not exist in the first place.

If the staff were handling all the translations themselves and self-funding the site, your point might make more sense. But they are not. As I mentioned before, and I’ll keep this brief to avoid repeating myself, the broad “legal reasons” given to justify these rules and guidelines do not make sense as currently applied. They are too vague and inconsistent, especially when some of the most popular manga would technically fall under the same criteria, yet the enforcement appears to target specific, less popular titles instead.

Ah, I must've missed that in all the chatter. Thought it was a mod, not an admin. Dunno if they were around from the founding, but if so, wouldn't they have final authority on what they want and don't want to see on their site? If people don't want to support them because they can't find titles they're looking for, no one is twisting their arm and forcing them to. I'm pretty sure the site would do just fine without certain titles, regardless of how haphazardly the rule is applied. Again, just because it's community-supported doesn't mean that the community can dictate everything. Sure, hit them in the pocketbook to prove a point, but is there enough to do just that? I'm pretty sure the site would survive with or without whatever titles people are taking issue with. I mean, what's to stop them from reinstating them only to have them mysteriously nuked under a "DMCA takedown" notice? How is that any different? This is taking any of the admin's comments out of the equation, mind you.

If we're being honest, none of the "legal mumbo-jumbo" presented on this site would stand up in court anyway, and it's really just a poor attempt to avoid running afoul of any laws (a really bad way of "get out of jail free").

 

[sillyangelboy]

No dude, there is no sect of islam or christianity accept lgbt stuff, in both it is a major sin.

Is there small radical sects accept it sure, but no major or big sects exist

Brother, I live in the deep south. I was raised Christian, and so was my gay ass brother. It's not as clear cut as you want to believe, especially not in the modern day.

By the letter of a text that was written hundreds of years ago for an entirely different era when sodomy and the like could be actually life-threatening, yes, it's a sin. But now?? I haven't met a single Christian (OR Muslim) who cares about who I'm bumping uglies with.
In other parts of the world, it's worse. But where I live, people have the freedom to choose to follow the letter of love within their religion. A Christian or a Muslim being gay or accepting gay people, at least in America, is nowhere near "radical" or out of the ordinary. In other parts of the world? Sure, but that speaks more about the danger of state-sanctioned religion than anything.

 

[Angry_Panda]

No, dude. There is no sect of Islam or Christianity that accepts LGBT stuff. In both religions, it is considered a major sin and is clearly stated as such in their scriptures.

A fair portion of denominations within Protestant Christianity (excluding the evangelicals) do accept LBGT members to some degree. In some cases they are also allowed to serve as clergy.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

A fair portion of Protestant Christianity (excluding the evangelicals) do accept LBGT members to some degree. In some cases they are also allowed to serve as clergy.

Here in germany, we also recently had a conflict in the catholic church, due to a group of german bishops pushing for a reform that would liberalize who could become a priest, as an example. It's called the Synodal Way

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

Brother, I live in the deep south. I was raised Christian, and so was my gay ass brother. It's not as clear cut as you want to believe, especially not in the modern day.

By the letter of a text that was written hundreds of years ago for an entirely different era when sodomy and the like could be actually life-threatening, yes, it's a sin. But now?? I haven't met a single Christian (OR Muslim) who cares about who I'm bumping uglies with.
In other parts of the world, it's likely worse. But where I live, people have the freedom to choose to follow the letter of love within their religion.

Huh, you are one of those who try to excuse their sins by playing mind games trying to find loopholes in the scripture.

If you don't want to follow a religion, there is a simple solution be an atheist.

 

[panzerkampfwagyu]

Huh, you are one of those who try to excuse their sins by finding loopholes in the scripture.

If you don't want to follow a religion, there is a simple solution be an atheist.

But abusing loopholes makes it very fun.
Heck, Maultaschen were invented by monks to get around circumventing the Meat ban during lent. Hide the Meat in dough and god can't see it, giving it the nickname "Herrgottbescheißerle"

 

[Tidebreaker_Lucas_2006]

If this is the direction we are going please just let this site rest

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

If this is the direction we are going please just let this site rest

True, we should build a grave for it.

 

[Keetonman]

Refusing to actually engage in the argument, going back to bullshit rules, giving excuses, refusing to acknowledge foul play, selective rule enforcement, hypocrisy, moralizing about "illegal content" despite being primarily a piracy platform.

Shame on you MD staff. This place deserves its slow but inevitable death. Completely disrespectfully: Fuck you, I spit on MD's grave.

 

[sillyangelboy]

Huh, you are one of those who try to excuse their sins by playing mind games trying to find loopholes in the scripture.

If you don't want to follow a religion, there is a simple solution be an atheist.

I mean, you're in luck, because I am. I was  raised Christian. I'm not  still Christian, and I haven't been for awhile. Even if I was, you don't have to follow every single rule written by man in order to have faith in a higher being and find positive things to pull from it... That's like saying every recipe has to be followed to the letter. They don't. Many people just follow the 10 Commandments and the most basic of parables and leave it at that, while others have a pocket Bible to reference for every aspect of their lives. It's a subject that varies wildly, nothing is ever so black and white.
I mentioned my upbringing because I was swimming in this culture for my entire life and still have loved ones who are Christian, and despite that, I still have never once gotten harmed or told off for who I love. That's all I was trying to get at.

 

[deleted-user-dd180786b5]

I mean, you're in luck, because I'm not. I was  raised Christian. I'm not  still Christian, and I haven't been for awhile. Even if I was, you don't have to follow every single rule written by man in order to have faith in a higher being and find positive things to pull from it...
I mentioned my upbringing because I was swimming in this culture and still have loved ones who ARE Christian, and despite that, I still have never once gotten harmed or told off for who I love. That's all I was trying to get at.

No one is forcing you to follow all the rules. There is a difference in how grave the sins are, and things like not being LGBT are part of the pillars of most religions.

If you want to ignore the most important parts of religion, then what's the point of following it at all?

 

[OisE]

True, we should build a grave for it.

We should build a cradle for you. Happy first day in this forum.