Zenmetsu End o Shinimono-gurui de Kaihi Shita. Party ga Yanda.

[junkhouser]

This is a "guilty" pleasure. It's mid, but a sizable amount of people will enjoy it, you amongst them. And that's not bad. I have MANY guilty pleasure reads, but you have to realise when you are reading one. True peak stories are ones you would recommend as a first or second read for your normie friends, because those are stories that can be enjoyed by almost everyone. Nieche stories are not peak, sadly.

We now have a word for what you’re describing here: “slopgem” - trope-heavy nonsense that is still fun to read for a lot of people and doesn’t really piss anyone off like true slop does.

Manga and anime have LOTS of slopgems.

 

[Gerdinnyo]

We now have a word for what you’re describing here: “slopgem” - trope-heavy nonsense that is still fun to read for a lot of people and doesn’t really piss anyone off like true slop does.

Manga and anime have LOTS of slopgems.

Weeelllll.... The only reason I take issue with that assessment is because roughy 99% of manga and anime are written to be very inoffensive and wide-reaching. So by definition, most mangas and animes would fall into the slopgem chategory. I mean just look at the ratings on this site. You'll legit struggle to find mangas below a 5.0 rating. Most sit at a comfortable 7 or 8, despite being slightly below to slightly above average. These are the definition of slop, bt you'll find the same "peak" or whatever comments there. Now I know I am arguing with definitions, but a slopgem imo should be smth that is trope-heavy somewhat nonsense, which nonetheless takes a certain risk and thus isn't enjoyed by many. I'd say nieche manga and anime should be the definition of slopgem. An example: Meikyuu no Ou / King of the Labyrinth. I wouldn't say it's great, but there will be people, who will enjoy the hell out of it, like me haha.

But that doesn't really matter much. I like the term (the definition a bit less, but still like the term), since I read quite a bit of slop and slopgems (regardless of definition).

 

[EighthKX]

This story really bums me out. The mc fought like hell to keep his party alive cause he wants them to live and be happy, but after saving them and getting crippled in the process they all become horribly morose and guilt-ridden, constantly blaming and hating themselves. He wanted them to have a future in a story that would have seen them killed but they want to toss aside their futures to make it up to him by constantly staying by his side and tending to him.

It makes more sense with the latest few chapters. He was someone they not only respected and loved but they all saw his talent with the sword as so incredible that he'd go down in history. Hearing someone you care about say they were okay with dying even if it was for your sake is one thing but hearing someone you idolise and respect almost saying they would be okay throwing their talent away for you cause they don't value themselves all that much?
It's a waste and so they've got multiple ways that they feel bad all stemming from that one moment. It's a lot of deal with. Maybe if they had a therapist. We're also in the early days too.

 

[junkhouser]

Weeelllll.... The only reason I take issue with that assessment is because roughy 99% of manga and anime are written to be very inoffensive and wide-reaching. So by definition, most mangas and animes would fall into the slopgem chategory. I mean just look at the ratings on this site. You'll legit struggle to find mangas below a 5.0 rating. Most sit at a comfortable 7 or 8, despite being slightly below to slightly above average. These are the definition of slop, bt you'll find the same "peak" or whatever comments there. Now I know I am arguing with definitions, but a slopgem imo should be smth that is trope-heavy somewhat nonsense, which nonetheless takes a certain risk and thus isn't enjoyed by many. I'd say nieche manga and anime should be the definition of slopgem. An example: Meikyuu no Ou / King of the Labyrinth. I wouldn't say it's great, but there will be people, who will enjoy the hell out of it, like me haha.

But that doesn't really matter much. I like the term (the definition a bit less, but still like the term), since I read quite a bit of slop and slopgems (regardless of definition).

You shouldn’t take the ratings on mangadex at face value. They use a really weird algorithm to calculate. They aren’t truly representative of overall reader opinion. I can’t remember the exact algorithm they use but when I found out about it I remember thinking how weird and utterly misleading it was about the quality of manga.

 

[Gerdinnyo]

You shouldn’t take the ratings on mangadex at face value. They use a really weird algorithm to calculate. They aren’t truly representative of overall reader opinion. I can’t remember the exact algorithm they use but when I found out about it I remember thinking how weird and utterly misleading it was about the quality of manga.

Really? It's not dependent on the ratings given to the manga by the people? I've always thought people just couldn't rate things on this site well. Do they value high ratings more or smth? I really don't understand, because ratings should just be averages. There shouldn't even be an algorithm in its calculation process. But regardless of how the ratings on this site are calculated, I am sticking to my definition. I do think that the vast majority of manga are straight up average slop and the true slopgems are fine-good nieche mangas.