Ueno-kun wa Kaihatsuzumi - Ch. 73 - Despair Sex

[DevilsKnight64]

I don’t even know why ueno jumped the gun and asked this girl out tbh

 

[OogieBoogie]

...... and so, they were both bottoms.

 

[Goldni]

still wish he stuck with the harem route

 

[jonnywarlock]

I remember being able to jerk off to this manga.

...

Oh, those were the days...

 

[KatoShuu]

It's the
"Oh no, they're both bottoms!"
joke

 

[67User67]

Guys it's the future, just use AR 🙄

 

[Lsk111]

Oh come on 😡

 

[allod]

who'd have seen this shit coming lol

genuinely, who didn't see this coming?

 

[forever-second]

This is exactly where the story needs to be.
He's a masochist, they both know it.
But is she one, really? She hasn't decided it. Her ex did.
How they both get what they want -- she abuses him. It does two things: he gets off to the abuse, and she disproves her ex. And if she actually is a bottom in earnest, then service topping comes in. "I'm dominating him not because that's my personality, but because it's expected of me. I can't refuse, or else the relationship goes belly up."
The alternative is NTR, which is probably a cop-out for a plot like this.

 

[nihaoma11]

Damn thanks for the translation but this shit is do depressing

 

[textadventure]

ffs! this was too real. Gotta respect Nakaura for going here. I'm sure they will still try to figure it out, even if ultimately it doesn't end up working out and that could be interesting.

 

[MrPP118]

What’s the best case scenario? Ueno pops his cherry under duress 10 minutes after kissing his bully? How romantic… what a beautiful experience right? And all with a girl where neither one feels anything when they kiss? Hot … garbage.

(one of) their problems is that they are conflating being a masochist with enjoying it when they’re being mistreated by someone.

Normally the person doing it would be someone they love and trust, and they are willingly giving up control in an environment of safety.

What these two got was full of malice and lacking consent or consideration. It’s just abuse they were programmed to enjoy.

They need to break up and stop hurting each other. They’re not ready for this at all and should have known better than to attempt this in the first place.

I still don't think breakup is on the cards yet, if anything, breaking up now will hurt them more because they do love each other, they just need to believe in one another.

These are two broken, vulnerable people who aren't ready to be in a relationship and who will only end up hurting each other even more. They are victims licking each other's wounds and seeking solace in one another. They could become more but this is not the right time, and if doesn't end up happening, well, life is full of situations that could've panned out differently at a different time.

They are convinced they are masochists because they got pure trauma beaten into them. Chisaki winning would be too much of a reward for her, when she's the one who abused him in the first place. She shows zero remorse for making him that way, still shifting the blame on him and is especially toxic, unlike Tsubomi who's honestly the best candidate at this point. Tsubomi knows Ueno's vulnerable state, knows what she did was bad and shows remorse, and has the empathy and the most emotional stability to help him through it and to not exploit his vulnerability.

First you work on yourself. THEN you go and put yourself into power play situations.


I'd say any type of sex is about understanding each other.

Yea, regardless of what happens with Manaka, I don't believe she deserves the win however I also don't see Tsubomi winning either.

Let's say hypothetically that despite Ueno and Manaka's best efforts they just can't make the relationship work so they do breakup, I don't see Ueno being comfortable with the bully trio after that which is real tragic since they're making real efforts to change.

And that's not including how Manaka will react, I think the best thing that can happen going forward is Ueno and Manaka find a way to make their relationship work, Ueno speaks with Chisaki, they solve their issues and maybe Chisaki actually apologises properly instead of shifting the blame onto Ueno.

But if a breakup happens I will support Tsubomi however I do have a gut feeling a breakup will lead to Chisaki winning even if she absolutely does not deserve it but alas themes and such.

 

[Omeganx]

hmm i never thought about if both parties want to be dominated... You would literally have to take turns each night pretending to be the dom i think,

 

[Rikiwi]

Chisaki will win, and I hate that. I hope that they can make it out of all this shit and stay together, but it´s seems imposible

 

[phorx]

I still don't think breakup is on the cards yet, if anything, breaking up now will hurt them more because they do love each other, they just need to believe in one another.

I don’t think they’re anywhere close to loving each other at this early stage. When they got together, they had mutual respect and friendship… physical attraction? Maybe?

Where do you think Manaka’s feelings are for Ueno now though? Let’s be honest about the words she’s used and their implied tone since she caught Ueno in that kiss. There’s borderline disdain here as she’s gathering information about just how much she’s been betrayed and lied to, which she already has a bad history with from her asshole ex. She has lost the respect she had for Ueno. This trip to the hotel was basically the embodiment of the sunk cost fallacy to me. Who could possibly be turned on with all that going on in their head anyway?

I can’t imagine how angry she must be at the bullies as well, and not just regarding how they abused Ueno. They approached her only because she and Ueno had a budding friendship. She was being used as leverage against Ueno, meaning that she unknowingly made his abuse even worse. Every time they hung out, the bullies had an agenda behind it, and had an internal sense of superiority over Moka because they already “owned” the guy she was growing closer to. It’s completely disgusting. If she doesn’t cut ties with them I’ll lose all respect for Moka. There is no apology that can repair what they’ve done.

 

[kopsterdam]

I understand

I don’t think they’re anywhere close to loving each other at this early stage. When they got together, they had mutual respect and friendship… physical attraction? Maybe?

Where do you think Manaka’s feelings are for Ueno now though? Let’s be honest about the words she’s used and their implied tone since she caught Ueno in that kiss. There’s borderline disdain here as she’s gathering information about just how much she’s been betrayed and lied to, which she already has a bad history with from her asshole ex. She has lost the respect she had for Ueno. This trip to the hotel was basically the embodiment of the sunk cost fallacy to me. Who could possibly be turned on with all that going on in their head anyway?

I can’t imagine how angry she must be at the bullies as well, and not just regarding how they abused Ueno. They approached her only because she and Ueno had a budding friendship. She was being used as leverage against Ueno, meaning that she unknowingly made his abuse even worse. Every time they hung out, the bullies had an agenda behind it, and had an internal sense of superiority over Moka because they already “owned” the guy she was growing closer to. It’s completely disgusting. If she doesn’t cut ties with them I’ll lose all respect for Moka. There is no apology that can repair what they’ve done.

And I am hoping for at least 10 to 20 more chapters for a clean ending if there won't be anymore new arcs. But in truth there is more to be told with Ueno and Tsubomi as it seems they are similar characters but one was being bullying the other, and there family background could be brought up to further show that side

 

[MrPP118]

She has lost the respect she had for Ueno. This trip to the hotel was basically the embodiment of the sunk cost fallacy to me. Who could possibly be turned on with all that going on in their head anyway?

Heavily disagree there, Moka clearly still cares about Ueno, if anything they have a deeper understanding.

If she doesn’t cut ties with them I’ll lose all respect for Moka. There is no apology that can repair what they’ve done.

Yea, I don't see Moka staying friends with them, that much I'm certain about.

I understand

And I am hoping for at least 10 to 20 more chapters for a clean ending if there won't be anymore new arcs. But in truth there is more to be told with Ueno and Tsubomi as it seems they are similar characters but one was being bullying the other, and there family background could be brought up to further show that side

Hmm, I honestly don't think Ueno and Tsubomi have anything further to explore? Tsubomi is just atoning now, not much else needs to be shown there, I think we could get atleast another 20 chapters but not many more after that, as for the ending there's really only three endings in my mind.

1. Ueno and Moka stay together, work out their issues

2. Ueno and Moka have a mutual breakup but stay friends and still look to improve themselves.

3. Ueno and Moka have a mutual breakup, stay friends and Chisaki confesses to Ueno and Ueno accepts her even (themes and such.)


I'm really not a big fan of the possibility that Ueno might end up with Chisaki, I think it's a slim chance because of how positive these last few chapters have been but Ueno and Chisaki have yet to have a conversation, even so I don't like the idea of Ueno ending up with Chisaki, certainly not when she's shifting the blame onto him for her sexually bullying him.

I'd be much happier if Ueno stayed with Moka, ended up with Tsubomi or just remains single if he and Moka do breakup, there's not a single world where Chisaki deserves to be with Ueno right now.

 

[phorx]

Heavily disagree there, Moka clearly still cares about Ueno, if anything they have a deeper understanding.


Yea, I don't see Moka staying friends with them, that much I'm certain about.


Hmm, I honestly don't think Ueno and Tsubomi have anything further to explore? Tsubomi is just atoning now, not much else needs to be showjn there, I think we could get atleast another 20 endings but not many more after that, as for the ending there's really only three endings in my mind.

1. Ueno and Moka stay together, work out their issues

2. Ueno and Moka have a mutual breakup but stay friends and still look to improve themselves.

3. Ueno and Moka have a mutual breakup, stay friends and Chisaki confesses to Ueno and Ueno accepts her even (themes and such.)


I'm really not a big fan of the possibility that Ueno might end up with Chisaki, I think it's a slim chance because of how positive these last few chapters have been but Ueno and Chisaki have yet to have a conversation, even so I don't like the idea of Ueno ending up with Chisaki, certainly not when she's shifting the blame onto him for her sexually bullying him.

I'd be much happier if Ueno stayed with Moka, ended up with Tsubomi or just remains single if he and Moka do breakup, there's not a single world where Chisaki deserves to be with Ueno right now.

Or the dark horse ending where Ueno ends up with Moka’s sister? jkjkjk she’s like a 10 and he’s a 3 at best. I just like her because she’s never looked down on Ueno.

I’d love an ending where Ueno is standing tall and has a path forward at the end, but I don’t think it’s going to be a clean ending for him. Just like there’s not going to be any real consequences for the bullies (total BS imo).

I’d love it if Moka just phoned in an anonymous tip to the police and Chisaki got her phone searched for evidence, but that’s definitely not going to happen.

 

[magicpea]

Ok that was painfull to read, and from here and only see two options.1) Ueno and Manaka break up and remain friends 2) They keep dating but under some kind of open relationship where the can seek intimacy with other people, which drives my perverted mind to imagine an scenario where manaka starts having threesomes with Ueno and each one of the bullies taking turns.

They not gonna date noway unless this is harem route Manga.
The only way to resolve this is one of them need to “Change “ , I also think this is weird since the build up from previous Chapter of Moka is about “changing herself” and she also leading MC to change for better too.
Well I guess some conditions are hard to change huh? consider they still kids and lack experiences.

Im ok with any outcome, it been a good ride.