RTA Sousha wa Game Sekai kara Kaerenai - Vol. 7 Ch. 30

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So I wonder what strategy he will use as he doesnt want to win but neither can he lose. so forcing a stalemate or a alternative win condition is possible. Maybe he can use his Object No151 to reload the world and force this boss fight to return to its original location. As in the location in the game where this boss fight occurs naturally when the event is triggered on its own. That gives Shachiku and Daanya time to figure out a effective strategy to possibly win. Of course if the usual location is in the capital city then that likely isnt a good idea due to the potential chaos and collateral damage.

As a alternate way maybe Shachiku getting the true ending would allow them to fix his save in Daanyas diary and return to before this event happened?
 
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why are you even mad at me with dumb emote lol. i said maybe as in guessing, and theres another possibility that im guessing. (which you didnt comment or refute)
I'm not "mad at you", I'm saying it's dumb to suggest that they showed Laspi mercy when they tried to kill him, and then locked him in a bottle with a silence spell on it when that failed. It's also dumb to suggest that...
maybe also the high nobles who torment the princess when she was a kid, which are not held accountable at all by the protagonist
...when it's been a matter of days in-universe and they've had significantly bigger man-eating fish to fry. Like, at no point has it even been suggested that Shachiku is cool with how Eida was treated by the other nobles (in fact, we've never even been shown if he knows about that part of her backstory, the flashback took place entirely in Kiira's memories), and clearly the story isn't close to finished yet so it's dumb that people are already getting in a tizzy about how villains are "getting off easy".

It's also dumb to complain that you "haven't been refuted" because nobody wasted their time telling you something you'd already know if you read the manga or even just the prior comments in the thread.
 
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The much bigger mistake was just sitting there talking to him while knowing that she's under the effect of a spell. Should've just powered through the pain, while it was just pain compulsion instead of finalized mind control, and ran away to seek help, possibly just getting away from the mirror would be effective enough.
The thing is, she didn't really talk to him until after the spell had already taken hold. I think the real purpose of the pain compulsion was to prevent her from running away in the first place (she was literally driven to the ground by the first "whip") and only a couple sentences passed before she succumbed to the spell.
And just overall since it was a known potential event with a side quest and everything, I don't mind it happening, it's a known character flaw and outcome. But why the fuck did Shachiku not see it coming? ... If Kiira going crazy for whatever reason is a well known major game event, then why would he not consider the outcome of Kiira's seeming anger/depression, instead of just the reason for it during their flight in this chapter?

Just seems out of character for how it's been established so far.
Well, keep in mind that from Shachiku's perspective, everyone has been acting somewhat out-of-character and standoffish compared to the game he's familiar with. In particular, both Kiira and Daanya have been exasperated by his speedrunning shenanigans literally since day one (example: how Kiira acted during their first meeting "irl" vs in-game), and for the little time he was aware there was an issue with Kiira at all, he was mentally chasing a false lead and had no idea just how mad she was until she literally attacked him.
Him still being too fixated on existing game events and being unprepared for new "real game world" interactions is why it was fine before and why it's so stupid now that this has been confirmed as an existing game event, something that he should never miss in a million years, the way it's been established so far.
Now, does it absolve the writing's quality here? Not really. I think a few lines about him finding Brahms sudden retreat and Kiira's blood being practically everyone should've had him ringing some alarm bells as something to prep for, or maybe a "shit, I was so focused on other things I didn't connect the dots sooner" card could work considering what I said earlier, but either way, what's done is done, and (hopefully) the rest of this arc can help pick it back up. And, ya know, at least it's nice to read someone's critiques on this development that wasn't just letting the inherent bias about a trope clouding everything within the plot.
Yeah, genuinely a few lines like that here and there could improve it a bunch. But as it is currently, with Shachiku needing to hear a literal quote from the side quest, as if Kiira getting hostile out of nowhere isn't indication enough, it all just makes him look really slow in the head and imperceptive.
You're not necessarily wrong, but I personally think it's still to early to say. Like, that might literally be how the next chapter starts for all we currently know. And I do get the feeling that the reason it took the specific quote for him to put the pieces together is that Brams may have just inadvertently speedran the "valkyrie of misguided conviction" event; jumping straight to the finale where, in the game, there may have been a lot more setup and foreshadowing (like the trope where a party member keeps saying ominous things like "maybe we're the real villains? who can say..." and "if someone you trusted abandoned your cause, would you follow them?" for several hours of gameplay leading up to their betrayal).

I also think there's a general pattern here of Shachiku's meta knowledge and speedrunning tactics getting less and less reliable the further off the beaten path the adventure goes. Killing the demon king was basically a world record perfect run, and killing Arachne was done by-the-book as well, but Raspi not only managed to get the jump on him and bump off some characters that probably aren't even killable in-game, but also managed to cheat death (albeit getting metaphorically neutered in the process), and now Brams has gone completely off-script; I would't be surprised if, now that he knows Shachiku's secret, he starts doing things like completely abandoning his normal base just to throw him off the trail.

And I honestly think that's a good thing, narratively speaking; if Shachiku could see every twist coming all the way to the end of the series, it would lose basically all tension. (As well as the comedic potential; 99% of comedy is subverting expectations, and you can't do that by writing the same joke over and over.) I think it'll be a lot more interesting if he has to increasingly play it by ear, and so far this arc feels like a step in that direction.
 
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Just kill her already
I know the Author would not dare to do it anyway
she is just useless anyway.
 
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Just binged this all today.

I think Swagner's point about Kiira's corruption being more gradual in the original game is sound and something I didn't consider. Having said that, as a cautious person myself IRL, I'd have worried the moment Kiira said she felt more tired than usual knowing it's a common symptom of other diseases even if it wasn't disease. I'd probably have seriously started considering a reload if it's even possible through Daanya's diary and asked her to try when I randomly shout "NOW".

But ehh, my personal bias and self-insert aside, I'm thinking stun Kiira, then ask Daanya to put Kiira to sleep before disarming her (taking her sword) and then burying her in the ground so we know where we left her while the party go back to the capital to ask Cronid to rebuild Daanya's diary (if possible) and hope that the young Tesset noblewoman pulls through with a counter spell to at least remove the mind-control after first trying on Lord Tesset. Granted, the party don't know about it however they can mention it when they return to the capital and things escalate there. This is assuming the diary gets fixed and they can choose which save state to load and not solely the last entry Daanya entered, else they have to push forward.

IMO we still don't know how the enthralling works in this world; whether killing Brahms first also kills Kiira or instead simply frees Kiira of the mind-control, or maybe Daanya needs to become Ada to access a spell that undoes the magic. It'd be cool if they have a demon in their party that wasn't enthralled. It's not that I don't like stakes, heck Shachiku could probably just go on by himself to speedrun Brahms and Morphomet, but it's more interesting seeing their reactions to Shachiku's knowledge of the world.

My other idea is the King, who to me seems like he's fighting corruption, somehow absorbs Kiira's corruption and becomes the new Demon King and thus, the true final boss who knows both light and dark magic, fulfilling Lord Tesset's fear of an adventurer becoming the next demon king, or was it sepcifically an otherworlder becoming the demon king?
 
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Oh noooo, the party member is mindcontrolled with a status debuff. If only they had a panacea to cure status effects!
 
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Just binged this all today.

I think Swagner's point about Kiira's corruption being more gradual in the original game is sound and something I didn't consider. Having said that, as a cautious person myself IRL, I'd have worried the moment Kiira said she felt more tired than usual knowing it's a common symptom of other diseases even if it wasn't disease. I'd probably have seriously started considering a reload if it's even possible through Daanya's diary and asked her to try when I randomly shout "NOW".

But ehh, my personal bias and self-insert aside, I'm thinking stun Kiira, then ask Daanya to put Kiira to sleep before disarming her (taking her sword) and then burying her in the ground so we know where we left her while the party go back to the capital to ask Cronid to rebuild Daanya's diary (if possible) and hope that the young Tesset noblewoman pulls through with a counter spell to at least remove the mind-control after first trying on Lord Tesset. Granted, the party don't know about it however they can mention it when they return to the capital and things escalate there. This is assuming the diary gets fixed and they can choose which save state to load and not solely the last entry Daanya entered, else they have to push forward.

IMO we still don't know how the enthralling works in this world; whether killing Brahms first also kills Kiira or instead simply frees Kiira of the mind-control, or maybe Daanya needs to become Ada to access a spell that undoes the magic. It'd be cool if they have a demon in their party that wasn't enthralled. It's not that I don't like stakes, heck Shachiku could probably just go on by himself to speedrun Brahms and Morphomet, but it's more interesting seeing their reactions to Shachiku's knowledge of the world.

My other idea is the King, who to me seems like he's fighting corruption, somehow absorbs Kiira's corruption and becomes the new Demon King and thus, the true final boss who knows both light and dark magic, fulfilling Lord Tesset's fear of an adventurer becoming the next demon king, or was it sepcifically an otherworlder becoming the demon king?
Tessets fear is about the story of the first demon king happening again. Basically the cause of the demon kings rise was the saintess falling in love with the otherworldly hero and succumbing to darkness transforming into a witch. Then she summoned her otherworldly hero lover back after the goddess had returned him to the other world and he transformed from the summoning into the demon king.

Tesset appeared to be convinced that events like that story are happening again but this time with Ada and Shachiku. He was probably about to shout that he knew that Ada and the Otherworld hero are in love or something before the memory wipe occurred. Considering Ada is the most powerful saintess in a long time and Shachiku is so abnormal and considered a powerful threat right now from the outside it does seem like if that story happened again it could potentially cause a world ending level threat to occur.

I can guess that Brahms mind-control is of the type that amplifies negative feelings and fears and uses them to cause a fugue state and makes his target suggestible and act within their mentality but doing things that he wants them to do. Such control isnt easily broken since it does usually coincide with the desires of the one he uses it on.
 
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just imagine if MC get weaker after learning his true skill, things only works because he is hellbent that he is in a game world and things work just like the game. Then he rationalizes that he is bullshitering since day one.
 

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