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@Doomroar
You’re literally ignoring the fact that your logic makes no objective sense and trying to change the subject. The second chapter doesn’t even prove me wrong. It just shows him beating up his brother, the one who was trying stop him from leaving by force, because he Wanted to become the strongest. Trying to surpass your ancestor makes you just as bad as people who use poison and technicalities to win their fights? HOW!?
 
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@0takuDragonSlayer Changing the subject?

Lets summarize, i am calling the shame of a Bionicle an hypocrite because he is an honorless bastard, this is based on the logic of narrative coherence. Not on the idea of group dynamics, or the existence of exceptions, that has little to nothing to do with my point, when you analyse a story you have to approach it from the necessities of the narrative.

You need to first realize that we are talking about a story that has to maintain narrative coherence, and we are dealing with a group that is introduced as antagonistic made up of people shown as overconfident but designed to ultimately resort to cheap tricks and strategies that ultimately betray their own words and initially presented image. You are missing the context.

The second chapter shows that Toa doesn't respects any traditions, for him the only thing that matters is to show off his strength, and in doing so he broke the warrior's code of his people, a code is not something you make up for yourself, is something a society establishes, and his brother was not trying to stop him for no reason at all, he tried to stop him because it is a mark of shame to use power for underground fights, it is a mark of shame to use power for anything other than the defense of their people and the protection of their traditions, that is the foundation of a code of honor.

But shitty Bionicle said that he doesn't gives a damn about any of that, he abandoned all of it, and said that he only brandish his power for himself, and in doing so is no longer a warrior following a code, just a fighter for hire seeking self indulgence, hell, he calls himself a seeker.

In your stubbornest you even went as far as missing the fact that both Toa and his brother had already surpassed their ancestors in strength, and all that they were missing was fame and recognition, but fame is not part of a warriors code, attaining prestige is not what constitutes a warriors code, let alone when pursing it means abandoning its people and joining the underground.

And yet Toa tries to pass himself as someone who fights with honor when he already abandoned his people. Is that contradiction on his character, which you so conveniently are ignoring, that puts him in the same spot as people who use poison and technicalities to win their fights.

That's the point, get within the context of the story, "just because some people are doing bad things, doesn't means everyone in the group is the same" is logically sound, but doesn't matters, for the story that we are reading it doesn't makes sense. Maybe later on Purgatory gets to redeem their fighters and join hands with the good guys once the real antagonist take a more central spot, but for now we are dealing with a bunch of scumbags designed to make the Kengan Association fighters look better both in skill and character.

Get it now?
 
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Except the only one who has so far resorted to that ultimately betraying their own words would be Carlos. Falcon passed himself off as a self taught ninja. Who are notorious for using underhanded tricks and deception to get results. In the end that’s what he did. The story of Kengan isn’t so black and white that every member of the antagonist side will have the same ending.

Having no respect for your families Tradition doesn’t suddenly mean you’re no longer a warrior. It’s just means you’re no longer a warrior of that specific tribe. What this tradition does is set an unrealistic standard. Expecting ALL Members of a warrior tribe descendent from a god like fighter to never want to go out in the world and test themselves. As multiple forms of fiction have proven you can’t use tradition as a reason to prevent people from doing what they want with their lives. His brother being shocked by the fact that he wants to surpass their ”god” is kind of silly when you stop and take into consideration the fact that there is no such thing as a “peak” when it comes to martial arts or fighters. As Kuroki has proven, hardcore martial artists are people who realize that there is no such thing as “perfect” or “unbeatable”. Trying to say this guy has no honor just because he doesn’t blindly follow family tradition is inaccurate.

Also, trying to say he is just in this to show off is false. Especially when he’s not even showboating like several characters have. Yes he calls himself a seeker but so does Mudo’s literal boss. Stating that his mentality falls more in line with Eastern Martial arts. As stated multiple times, Seeker Type fighters only care about pushing their limits and craft. Money, fame, and status be damned. If there is a mountain they will climb it without hesitation. You talk about how he wants fame and recognition but so far his actions completely contradict that. He’s fighting man to man with Julius(someone practically he’s own size) using skills and strength he polished. No ring out BS or poison, just keeping the fight at center ring.

Don’t get me wrong. Family and camaraderie are a big theme in this story as well. Kazu’s VERY EXISTENCE stands as proof of this fact. Hell, even the Kure Clan, a family of contract killers clearly love each other. However individualism is also a major part of this story and the current story arc. Even if said Individualism comes with a price. You say they supposedly surpassed their ancestor in strength but we don’t even know how strong the guy was. He’s literally dead. Which leaves this guy with only one option. Fighting the best of the best regardless of where they set up shop. Surpassing those above you and those who came before is a HARD staple of Shounen Martial Arts Manga. At the end of the day you can be honorable but not traditional at the same time.
 
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@0takuDragonSlayer And wanting to surpass himself is nice, all he had to do was said that he is there just to reach the top and it would have been fine, he would have been just another fighter more trying to prove himself against the world, but that's not his character, that's not the point of the story of Toa.

Once again, it becomes a problem because of who he is as a character, the point is the context of the story.

Why would Toa ever bring out the warrior theme at all? why accuse Julius of anything? why then go on and have flashbacks about his own warrior tribe?

Simple, because it is tied to his own reflection of a character, his own struggle, he is dealing with his own mistakes and trying to project them on Julius, he broke his own warriors code and abandoned his people in pursuit of his own interests, he doesn't wants to prove himself he wants to the world to recognize him (p 5 ch 74), he has a god complex and is on his path to surpass the gods because his strength got to his head, he stopped being a warrior long ago, let alone the warrior he is trying to paint himself as, he is not one in a position to go judging others, he is just another fighter punching people in the middle of underground gambling rings trying to get glory while other people profit from his fights.

His tattoos are something only a few get to earn and have, they are called Tā moko and are literally considered sacred and inviolable, they are the greatest mark of honor and a perpetual reminder of who he once was and of what he has betrayed, and now on this fight after Julius is punching him harder than anyone ever before he will be humbled.

Once again, he is hypocritically taking it out on his opponent who he knows nothing about and is gonna blow up on his face.
 
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Funny thing I noticed while rereading. Toa stomps on Julius with his left foot, but Julius is blocking his right foot.
Obviously this ain't a big deal, just something I thought I should point out.
 

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