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@Kireato
Yes, ryuki is learning that killing isn't good and wants to stop, but because he killed most of his life, he really needs to consciously hold himself back to not kill, so it's severely limiting his focus during fights
He is thinking that he doesn't want to kill, he just didn't realize it would feel this restricting. Yes, he is unprepared to fight someone as deadly as naidan, but I'd say it's perfectly understandable since he is really doing something he is not internally used to.
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My god this is the worst "fight" yet.
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Ryuki: "The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math"
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Even if he's fought to kill, he's trained with someone to learn his techniques which means that he already knows how to not kill. Moreover he's known about his decision to not kill for a while now and yet he hasn't trained for it? We've already seen him struggle with this before and he hasn't shown a hint of progress since then. I fully understand that he won't be able to unleash his full range of attacks nor even his full range of defensive motions (as they may include deadly counters) so he has to think about how he's fighting and it's slowing him down, but we've all seen how durable kengan fighters are and we've seen them survive some ridiculous stuff. Since he's an experienced killer, Ryuki should be aware more than most about what humans can endure and survive. Kengan fighters already use deadly techniques which their opponents somehow survive, so Ryuki should know better than to hold back a lot.
I'm talking about his decision to fight the moment he learned that Naidan was part of Worm. There was no reflection. All it tells me is that Ryuki has never actively hunted the Worm because a hunter stalks its prey and finds efficient ways to kill it. Rather, he just reacts to the Worm hunting him, by killing them when he is attacked and that is all he has ever done. (I mean, this is a tournament setting, he doesn't need to resolve issues with members of the Worm immediately; he can deal with them after.)
All I gather from thinking about this is that Ryuki is not a smart fighter.
Also, I can't see Naidan as deadly when he's not even trying to kill Ryuki. He's had many opportunities to do so and clearly he's having no issues beating down his opponent without killing them despite being part of the Worm. I would simply qualify Naidan as strong.
Even if he's fought to kill, he's trained with someone to learn his techniques which means that he already knows how to not kill. Moreover he's known about his decision to not kill for a while now and yet he hasn't trained for it? We've already seen him struggle with this before and he hasn't shown a hint of progress since then. I fully understand that he won't be able to unleash his full range of attacks nor even his full range of defensive motions (as they may include deadly counters) so he has to think about how he's fighting and it's slowing him down, but we've all seen how durable kengan fighters are and we've seen them survive some ridiculous stuff. Since he's an experienced killer, Ryuki should be aware more than most about what humans can endure and survive. Kengan fighters already use deadly techniques which their opponents somehow survive, so Ryuki should know better than to hold back a lot.
I'm talking about his decision to fight the moment he learned that Naidan was part of Worm. There was no reflection. All it tells me is that Ryuki has never actively hunted the Worm because a hunter stalks its prey and finds efficient ways to kill it. Rather, he just reacts to the Worm hunting him, by killing them when he is attacked and that is all he has ever done. (I mean, this is a tournament setting, he doesn't need to resolve issues with members of the Worm immediately; he can deal with them after.)
All I gather from thinking about this is that Ryuki is not a smart fighter.
Also, I can't see Naidan as deadly when he's not even trying to kill Ryuki. He's had many opportunities to do so and clearly he's having no issues beating down his opponent without killing them despite being part of the Worm. I would simply qualify Naidan as strong.
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I agree with those other 2. The Worm most likely wants to see whether or not Ryuki can use the Advance. So they want Naidan to drive him into a corner, and most likely told him "if he activates the advance, you are dead mate", hence the azure sky thing. But thats all only IF Ryuki really is a clone since we dont actually have confirmation of that. But if he is, then who knows what was used to create him, maybe he can use something even stronger then the advance / removal. And even then, there is still the question of WHO created him.
Also i might be nitpicking here, but i dont like that "eagle eye" stuff. Yes, about 89% of the techniques are unrealistic, but they still felt mostly or at least somewhat grounded in reality / real concepts. Kinetic vision, spatial awarness, those things i get. But a literal "view from above"? And from how it is presented, it doesnt seem to be something like "reading your enemy - listen to the sounds he makes out of view - act on whats most likely" thing thats just portraied as a view from above but an actual view. Thats a bit to "out of there" for me.
Still great manga though, thanks for the translation.
Also i might be nitpicking here, but i dont like that "eagle eye" stuff. Yes, about 89% of the techniques are unrealistic, but they still felt mostly or at least somewhat grounded in reality / real concepts. Kinetic vision, spatial awarness, those things i get. But a literal "view from above"? And from how it is presented, it doesnt seem to be something like "reading your enemy - listen to the sounds he makes out of view - act on whats most likely" thing thats just portraied as a view from above but an actual view. Thats a bit to "out of there" for me.
Still great manga though, thanks for the translation.
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@Kireato
mizakuchi rei was clearly nerfed because he can't kill, and actually told his love he can't beat raian without killing: https://mangadex.org/chapter/4052/15 etc.
this makes no sense, gaoh literally said there is the only way to beat someone on that level of akoya & his grandpa is to kill him : https://mangadex.org/chapter/747225/9 . so clearly he didn't learn to not kill from his training.
a few months isn't enough to change 2 decades of training.
incorrect, muteba killed meguro . kanoh agito has also killed a few opponents before the first tournament too: https://mangadex.org/chapter/475927/11
mizakuchi rei was clearly nerfed because he can't kill, and actually told his love he can't beat raian without killing: https://mangadex.org/chapter/4052/15 etc.
Ryuki clearly does hunt them by luring them and ryuki clearly states it wasn't self defence: https://mangadex.org/chapter/717761/5 this is a case of ryuki clearly following a worm member: https://mangadex.org/chapter/643560/14
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Akoya has been beaten and yet he hasn't been killed.
I was simply saying that Ryuki should already understand what it means to fight without killing.
A few months is more than enough to rework how he fights. It might not be complete, but it shouldn't be this bad. He should not be attacking as predictably as he is if he had trained with anyone and thought about how to fight without killing, but he has given it no thought and it is clear now that he has not trained with anyone strong in order to figure out how to subdue a strong fighter without killing them. Himuro Ryo casually blocked his crouching tiger because fighting in a single style made Ryuki predictable, and offered to train him and of course Ryuki simply declined. Since then, he has not shown any form of improvement, he is still just as predictable. You'd think the fight with Akoya would make him think about his fighting style a bit, but nope. We've seen Ohma and other fighters grow from fight to fight, so the excuse that a few months isn't enough doesn't stand. We've seen how much Koga has improved in these few months.
Of course, Kengan fighters have killed before, but even for the fighters who do not intend to kill, their techniques are clearly deadly with all the faces being caved in.
Mizakuchi Rei was an assassin who relied on his speed. He is even less suited than Ryuki to fight without killing because it's very obvious that not every move in the Gaoh style is a killing blow, while the Raishin style is completely focused on killing as efficiently as possible. However, Rei is actually smart and despite his style being completely unsuited to defeating his opponents, he managed to convert what he knew and find ways to defeat his opponent. He actually thought about his fighting system and had no problem stating that he would completely rethink it when he saw the necessity: https://mangadex.org/chapter/464601/3 He prepared for his fight against Kuroki and showed even more of what he could do, while still aiming to not kill. Even during that fight, we saw some changes in his style and at the end, he still thought he could do more to change his style and become the kind of fighter he aimed for.
Mizakuchi Rei is literally a better Ryuki. He's already shown us that it's not that complicated to take a style that is completely geared for killing and still be competitive without killing; and he fought against the best. It's really unfortunate we aren't seeing more of him.
That's not hunting, that's reacting to being hunted. All he knows how to do is attack head on. He doesn't actually try to trap anyone nor kill efficiently.
But let's say he does hunt, all that tells me is that he's unable to do so intelligently. You're not hunting when you get taunted into a fight by an unfamiliar opponent in unfamiliar conditions.
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That's because he keeps adding a full stop at the end. It's all fine if you remove them.
Akoya has been beaten and yet he hasn't been killed.
I was simply saying that Ryuki should already understand what it means to fight without killing.
A few months is more than enough to rework how he fights. It might not be complete, but it shouldn't be this bad. He should not be attacking as predictably as he is if he had trained with anyone and thought about how to fight without killing, but he has given it no thought and it is clear now that he has not trained with anyone strong in order to figure out how to subdue a strong fighter without killing them. Himuro Ryo casually blocked his crouching tiger because fighting in a single style made Ryuki predictable, and offered to train him and of course Ryuki simply declined. Since then, he has not shown any form of improvement, he is still just as predictable. You'd think the fight with Akoya would make him think about his fighting style a bit, but nope. We've seen Ohma and other fighters grow from fight to fight, so the excuse that a few months isn't enough doesn't stand. We've seen how much Koga has improved in these few months.
Of course, Kengan fighters have killed before, but even for the fighters who do not intend to kill, their techniques are clearly deadly with all the faces being caved in.
Mizakuchi Rei was an assassin who relied on his speed. He is even less suited than Ryuki to fight without killing because it's very obvious that not every move in the Gaoh style is a killing blow, while the Raishin style is completely focused on killing as efficiently as possible. However, Rei is actually smart and despite his style being completely unsuited to defeating his opponents, he managed to convert what he knew and find ways to defeat his opponent. He actually thought about his fighting system and had no problem stating that he would completely rethink it when he saw the necessity: https://mangadex.org/chapter/464601/3 He prepared for his fight against Kuroki and showed even more of what he could do, while still aiming to not kill. Even during that fight, we saw some changes in his style and at the end, he still thought he could do more to change his style and become the kind of fighter he aimed for.
Mizakuchi Rei is literally a better Ryuki. He's already shown us that it's not that complicated to take a style that is completely geared for killing and still be competitive without killing; and he fought against the best. It's really unfortunate we aren't seeing more of him.
That's not hunting, that's reacting to being hunted. All he knows how to do is attack head on. He doesn't actually try to trap anyone nor kill efficiently.
But let's say he does hunt, all that tells me is that he's unable to do so intelligently. You're not hunting when you get taunted into a fight by an unfamiliar opponent in unfamiliar conditions.
@ Gigz
That's because he keeps adding a full stop at the end. It's all fine if you remove them.
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@Gigz
sorry, it was the period at the end. now it's working
@Kireato
Himuro being able to block only one technique when he knew about it , and saw it just a day ago (kukuro fight) doesn't mean much.
Ryuki has probably been living his entire life as a worm assassin, so there is no way a few months is enough to get rid of what's ingrained in his body, and his story involves kegan breaking him out of that mentality ,
sorry, it was the period at the end. now it's working
@Kireato
ryuki was referring to himself and his own fighting style, cosmo's grappling style is probably one the most non-lethal styles in the entire story .
which means it's probably not good enough to beat a complete fighter like naidan, who is probably one of worm's strongest members. therefore, ryuki 's current losing performance makes sense
Ryuki was purposely limiting himself because his grandpa told him not use other techniques, https://mangadex.org/chapter/738142/16
Himuro being able to block only one technique when he knew about it , and saw it just a day ago (kukuro fight) doesn't mean much.
we literally still haven't seen ryuki go all-out yet, so you're jumping to conclusions. ryuki does train in his spare time: https://mangadex.org/chapter/614484/22
no? nothing in the manga has shown this. both are styles more suited to quick, surprise attacks.
getting a hypnosis powerup =/= personal preparation, also, it literally only worked for the first surprise attack, but he was completely dominated the rest of the fight, so his preparation wasn't very useful
except that rei probably had much more time to adjust his style to non-lethality than ryuki's few months after the the fight with akoya, and even then it's clear rei was still nerfed since he had a hard fight against saw paing, whom other fighters like hatsumi thinks is weaker than rei.
Ryuki has probably been living his entire life as a worm assassin, so there is no way a few months is enough to get rid of what's ingrained in his body, and his story involves kegan breaking him out of that mentality ,
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It’s not literally a bird’s eye view. That’s just a visualization of his awareness of the entire field. Heck, if you think he literally has a projection of himself in the air looking down at the battlefield, then you must have thought that there were actual ghost skeletons around Akoya and Ryuki during their match before.
It’s just creating a mental map of the battlefield. Less physically sensing (though of course that’s involved), more predicting, same as pre-initiative and all that. Hence the mentioning of only top martial artists being able to achieve this.
It’s not literally a bird’s eye view. That’s just a visualization of his awareness of the entire field. Heck, if you think he literally has a projection of himself in the air looking down at the battlefield, then you must have thought that there were actual ghost skeletons around Akoya and Ryuki during their match before.
It’s just creating a mental map of the battlefield. Less physically sensing (though of course that’s involved), more predicting, same as pre-initiative and all that. Hence the mentioning of only top martial artists being able to achieve this.
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