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[cherokeemoon]

pram is precious i must adopt and protec

 

[DestinyIX]

@ninjadork Well . . . the story wise is pretty interesting to me so i'm gonna stick with this for a while ( since i don't mind about the genre as long as it has good story ). The character relationship wise is not that bad if you ignore some part you don't like. but . . . after all it depends on your taste so you'll be the judge .

 

[herrosenpai]

i wonder if mc's actions right now will alter what was supposed to happen...for example pram's growth into a high level swordsmen

 

[gaigous]

@ninjadork Oh, I didn't realize Romantica was the issue, and yeah, the majority of manga in existence have the trope of an underage character being praised and/or glomped because of their cuteness level.

Also, you can't equate a pedo that jacks it to hentai to the pedo that drives an ice cream truck, one just sits at their computer with a bottle of lotion, but the other tries to have sex with real children.

And not all lolis are useless sacks of cute, some are the epitome of badassery, an example of such would be Nobunaga from Fate Grand Order, here are some images:

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@ksen I wish more people had your keen edge, it's so refreshing after a day of surfing Reddit and Twitter.

 

[Boomburst]

Kinda surprised no one is talking about the slight douchebag noble here. Might as well then. I wonder what his role is going to be. I don't think you expand on a person's backstory unless you want that person to have some kind of purpose. Now, considering he has seen this judging gaze from a mentor from his childhood(who seems to have a strong moral fiber, considering he was pissed at the kid for beating the shit out of someone for no damn reason). I wonder if he will end up as some kind of friendly rival(well, as friendly as a douche can be for the time being) or possibly an unwilling party member so he can try to understand how the hell this beta-trash can have such a gaze.

 

[Tradless]

The prick's got problems

 

[ninjadork]

@Boomburst That noble is either going to be broken and reformed after a long period, broken into servitude of some variety, or straight up killed. He's too much of an iron-hammered jackass for anything else to be feasible, especially since it seems like the lessons his old mentor tried to teach didn't stick.

One way or another, he's gonna get wrecked.

 

[ninjadork]

@gaigous Romantica is part of the problem; the author's choice of emphasizing the shota-ness is another. One character being a creepy fucko is disgusting but tolerable, the manwha author going out of his/her way to play it up is really pushing it. If it gets to the point where the author is making creepy shota bullshit an integral part of the story, I'm out.

As for hentai-pedo vs ice-cream-truck-pedo, I may be misunderstanding your point so correct me if I am, but I don't understand why you're trying to argue that one is more...admirable? morally acceptable?...than the other. Someone is not a morally/ethically better person just because they lack the drive to inflict their perversions on others. The only difference is whether or not it's necessary for me to use violence against them.

As for Nobunaga FGO, I'm not familiar with the character or anime, but judging from the examples you've given me I would argue that's not loli at all. It doesn't fit the definition I listed below; she has a late pubescent body type, and there's no erotic content or context in those images. Unless the anime she is present in has a lot of ero content I'm unaware of, there's no basis for calling her a loli.

Finally, concerning "useless sacks of cute", the competency of the child in question is irrelevant. I have no issue with artists including children in a story in most capacities; it's the fetishization of them that pisses me off.

 

[gaigous]

@ninjadork I understand your disgust, it's not an uncommon view.

I'm a moral relativist, agnostic, egalitarian, anti-authoritarian, and an individualist, so you can consider any "objective morals" religious or otherwise to be absent from my reasoning, I'm just saying people are welcome to entertain themselves with whatever 2D crap they want in whatever way they want, it only becomes an issue when something of consequence happens in reality.

So what I'm getting from this, is that you're only concerned with the physical appearance of characters and how they're portrayed, not their actual age, is that right?

 

[ninjadork]

@gaigous That's not my only concern, but that is the issue I'm most concerned with, and the others do not yet apply to this manwha as of ch 13. The actual age is a bit of a toss up; as far as it concerns pedo stuff, my only real issue with it is how it's used as a bullshit mystic excuse for people to perv on kids by proxy.

 

[gaigous]

@ninjadork As someone who enjoys hentai, and often engages with the community, I can tell you that most of us enjoy fetishes (tentacles, NTR, incest, etc.) in 2D because of the artwork, story/fantasy, and how they're portrayed, but find their 3D equivalent ugly and a complete turn-off. Also, I'd say that real pedophiles are few and far between in comparison, and that it's just a matter of the internet once again bringing a scattered minority together.

 

[mireaderc]

Hmm, feels like that "shota" might be a trap?

 

[SSS26032002]

Just show some auras and here you get a free trap for yourself without that much work....

 

[Hakatri_Gin]

To trap a trap

 

[Naxtier13]

@ninjadork
Just some picture of happy party member scene from later chapters. Don't open it if you don't want to get spoiled. In case you want to see if you going to continue this or not. This one service the most I think ( There are others too but it's weaker than this). Just think of Pram like Totsuka Saika of this world i guess ?

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http://imgur.com/caNwsij

 

[Caul]

@ninjadork
Sorry I didn't get this to you right away, normally use this site on my phone and can't see my thumbnail thingy to show you.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/365495325980706651/
Here is A link to the picture, if you right click on my pic and then hit "search Google for image," it will bring up more

She's a longswordmen champion irl!

 

[Kamelpov]

Easiest join ever. Save the weak and knowing already his future(potential).

 

[ceneoss]

That glare says... "Bitch...I should--!"

 

[Weasalopes]

So... two possibilities:
1) There's something about Pram's orientation that the MC had never been aware of in his previous incarnation, or
2) This time around, it's a slightly different reality, and Pram's a girl.

I will agree that the author went way overboard in regard to Romantica's reaction to Pram's appearance; however, he did name her Romanitca, which in retrospect may have been a flag that we didn't spot. And... the author also seem to be having Pram have a thing for the MC, which does not appear to be reciprocated.

 

[Kaenami]

*Pram is clearly a guy*
My brain:
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Me: He's cute