Story quality is 100% subjective, and I’m not a literature major huffing my own farts to pretend otherwise. What matters to me is the yuri, and the yuri is always improved by replacing bisexuals with lesbians.
This is the inherent, undeniable truth when you have lesbian characters.
Not always, for example most isekai literally are objectively garbage, they're the most bottom of the barrel cheap self insert appeal for people desperate for escapism and power fantasy, it's why most are harem with the story twisting itself into a pretzel to make mc look awesome even when they're a cardboard cutout with zero personality and super dumb.
Yuri is better but doesn't necessarily makes the story better, even yuri has garbage unfortunately
You and I may not like such stories, but there are people that do, thus there is no objectivity to story quality.
Who said I don't like them? I read a ton of garbage isekai since they can be pretty funny or amusing, trust me, I'm talking from experience, a lot of isekais are objectively garbage, being popular don't make it good lol
My main point is simply give it a chance first, it's still yuri at the end of the day, so you gotta try it first.
For sure. The last thing I’d do is a shitty appeal to popularity lol.
After having read dozens of stories with bisexuals, I‘ll stick to my beliefs that stories with lesbians are better and stick this to the bottom of my PtR list, along with other similar stories. Maybe I’ll reach it on my PtR list one day, maybe I won’t, and if it‘s the latter it’s simply because I have better (aka lesbian) stories to read.
I think the issue isn't in itself how you measure quality, but that a lot of people simply judge it as enjoyed = good, which isn't necessarily true, some people can't accept that what they like might be trash, many times you can tell right away that the work is bad, be it story, characters or whatever, but you can still enjoy it, some works are bad, some are so bad it's good, and some are so bad it's horrible.
Issue is that you're doing misplaced retribution, the character being bisexual has nothing to do with the story being good or bad, it's entirely because the writer sucks at using the character, they can't write better drama, so they use bisexual character for easy cheap drama.
But this is my problem. How is "good, bad, or horrible" decided? General consensus? That’s just an appeal to popularity. There simply cannot be an arbiter for quality if it’s supposed to be objective. Is there a set of objective, unchanging rules for judging story quality? Until such a set of rules is discovered, story quality is purely subjective.
By what metric? It certainly doesn’t sound like something I’d be interested in, but I won’t call it objectively bad because I have no way to measure the story quality objectively.
I don’t claim the story is objectively good or bad due to that, I only claim that the yuri is lessened due to it, which is true because if the man in the first few pages was a woman instead that would, objectively, be more yuri.
There's always ways to objectively judged quality, like how consistent the story and characters are, if they follow the internal logic of the story, if it don't break the lore rules, if it doesn't break continuity, and so on.
There's always a metric.
Yuri is about girls loving girls, one being bisexual does not in any way lessen the yuri, a man in a single panel does not lessen the yuri.
Most stories already fulfill these criteria, including those often judged as “objectively bad”. Most of the time when people call something ”objectively good/bad” they’re judging the contents of the story (rather than just the consistency and similar meta parameters), which can obviously not be objective. This is also why I consider my judgement of story quality to be purely subjective, because when I say more yuri = higher (subjective) quality, I am scrutinizing the contents of the story through my own subjective lens rather than its consistency and what-not.
100% is more than 99%; making her a lesbian would increase the yuri, and thus my enjoyment (and subjective quality) of the story. This is why this series will go below any 100% yuri series in my PtR.
It has everything to do with the subjective story quality, which for me increases with the yuri.
Not all stories really follow that, and there is other ways to objectively judge, the content in itself can be bad, example is how many Isekai try to unironically portray the protagonist as a incredible person, like how in some with war their supposedly incredible strategies win the war, even though the so called strategy is something super simple that only works because everyone else is stupid + plot armor, that is objectively bad writing, romance is the same, a lot abuse lack of communication to justify stupid drama, sometimes going to absurd lengths with the lack of communication, that too is objectively bad writing.
Which is nothing but cherry picking, since you're literally giving more importance to the 1% and ignoring the yuri, if that 1% is enough to ruin your enjoyment that still has nothing to do with quality.
If it was enough to ruin my enjoyment I wouldn’t have put it in my PtR in the first place. But since my enjoyment scales with the yuri, I’ll read 100% yuri series before I consider reading the 99% or lower ones.
It lessens the yuri relative to other stories without bisexuality, which is why I’ll always prioritize those other stories first.
Ruin enough that you can't help but focusing on it though lol
Maybe you need a bisexual girlfriend to open your eyes
When you put it like that you make it sound so bad, it's fine as long as there's consent
Well there is nothing to soften. I guess authors intent was to lessen the succubus factor by making her demi-human but she fucks everyone left and right anyway so i was kinda questioning the purpose. Bold way to debut your yuri manga.When you put it like that you make it sound so bad, it's fine as long as there's consent
Although I guess the guys didn't consent to have their vitality stolen...
