Akuyaku Reijou no Ani ni Tensei Shimashita - Vol. 7 Ch. 34

[Manchura]

Ok so, here is my problem, the father talked all that stuffs, but like, isn't it because of the "system" that he so proudly spoken of that the whole mess happened? If his "system" works so well, then the mess wouldn't happen, then Cain wouldn't have to step in and "pander" to the people in the first place.

But the mess DID happen, Idgaf if the mess was caused by outsiders influence, if your "system" is able to be exploited, then your "system" clearly has something wrong with it, and thus Cain had to step in, and then you criticized him for FIXING the problem that YOUR "system" help causing in the first place.

Also, imagine if Cain hadn't stepped in, yeah, good fucking luck calming those people down without it escalating into violence, which I'm pretty sure is exactly what the people that caused the problem was aiming for.

the problem was that someone who corrupted the system and was banished for it used his own corruption results as an example and then pointed at someone unrelated and told people who aren't sophisticated enough to understand it "they are doing this to you, imagine them not doing it then you'd have lives just like them"

such a socialist brainrot position much like the kid being imprisoned for being an ideological criminal

 

[GreC_89]

Yes, absolutely this. The best lesson here - and the one that Cain ultimately took from it, thanks to Diana - isn't that his father is 100% correct and that Cain needs to become exactly like him, but that 30 years of life experience, as an average Joe in Japan or as a noble lord in fantasy world, doesn't mean you have all the answers. It's not a matter of Cain being right or Dismire being right, it's that they're both wrong in different ways, and the moment you think you've got it all figured out is the moment you fail. This is what will make the difference between Cain and his father - not their ideological disagreements about the standing of nobles, but the fact that Cain is still willing to grow and change, where Dismire's beliefs have calcified.

It's also interesting to note that Cain's failing here is the same one we see over and over again in isekai stories - the assumption that people in a fantasy world are primitive and incurious, and that concepts from our world are objectively more advanced and superior. This is a character flaw that isekai  authors suffer from all the time, let alone the characters they write. Seeing a character realise the problems with that attitude is really refreshing.

There interesting, similar, moment from sci-fi. In 40k, before heresy, Empire's diplomats done same thing with Knight Worlds. Seeing feudalistic society as a barbaric they though it will be easy victory(political) and yet they was outwitted on all fronts. Only when Mechanicus step in Knight Houses reluctantly admitted defeat(political).

 

[CthulhuSans]

the father is iskander and actually is right. medieval society are just barely literates and don't really understand politics and economic as nobles. the best way to rules ignorant and illiterate mass is by deciding each other roles. a good leader is someone that respected and feared. but if you have to choose between them, you should be someone that to be feared. trying to carter to all people don't works well as leader. that why in time of national crisis, military and dictatorship become the solution to getting back the order as fear is effective tools to control the people and stabilized the country.

While I agree you on how medieval society and leadership works, I disagree that this is the same 1 to 1. We are told that a large amount of commoners can use magic which is the direct opposite of the country the MC has been studying in where almost no one can. Yes you need to be taught magic to be able to use it effectively but that isn't completely true since you can just teach yourself, maybe not to the level of a mage but enough to be a problem. Someone said it already but both responses to the situation had problems, the father's point works well by instilling fear and obedience but does not deal with the root of the problem, and the MC's point works well by building trust and unity but does not deal with the real instigators well. Another person said it best that the MC has room the grow and mature which is awesome but the father on the other had has lots of calcified beliefs and isn't always willing to change.
A hard medieval style of leadership is what these types of stories are based on but they give a huge amount of autonomy to the commoners that breaks the system. A big reason why the medieval system fell is because of how educated and the amount of autonomy commoners got. Yes in this series the literacy rates are low but magic kind of offsets that negative. But other than that your point is solid

 

[snip36]

It reminds me of the dialogue from Fate/Zero between Artoria, Gilgamesh, and Iskander about what a King should aspire to be. Someone who is greater than life itself, someone people desire to follow, not someone who lowers themselves to the whim of the people they rule, etc.

Cain father puts it simply, a leader needs to be someone who is capable of discerning and differentiating whose concerns should be listened to and be a symbol for people to follow rather than looking to them as a peer. Even Cain begins to acknowledge how unknowingly ignorant/arrogant he was, believing that just because he was from the modern era he was above others and knew what's best for them while growing complacent over time.

Cain acknowledging he still has room for personal growth and not looking through this world via the bias of his past life at the end was good.

damn, no wonder it felt familiar...
you also made me recall how great of a leader broskandar was.

 

[Cobaltzero]

the virgin "Please understand all the work we do for you!" VS the chad "shut the fuck up and follow me"

The funny thing is that Cain's attempt to make them understand probably solidified their faith in his father even further.
They see this ernest kid, still new to statecraft as a whole, who is telling them exactly how their work is used and then they see the man responsible for TEACHING HIM HIS FUTURE RESPONSIBILITIES take command of the situation and swiftly bring the trouble to a close and then immediately use it as a opportunity to teach him.

 

[DeadToReal]

Fixed*

Not quite, but good enough.

p. 15 "Torture the viscount On the cell next to him and let him hear his screams" -----> "Torture the viscount In the cell next to him and let him hear his screams"

And thank you for the corrections.