Akuyaku Reijou no Oyome-sama - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

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well i think that all of karina's former acquaintances and relationships have an angle here, so there may be more than 2 scenarios possible.
there's a whole range of scenarios. the two scenarios were just illustrative of the impact of agency on your judgement of aurora.
 
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That was great! Love the structure of this series and what an entrance. The parallels between the book and real life promise some really interesting dynamics. It also seems to assume this revenge will come to pass but the real uncertainty will be what comes after. The look from Aurora also calls some things into question. There was some resistance there.

I'm also wondering how our reporter and her GF will continue to factor into this. It's clear by now that the story's cast has expanded and it's all the better for it. There's still a lot of real potential for how these characters and relationships will settle. Each chapter has actually made me more interested, when earlier on I was a bit more reticent about my feelings.
i have a feeling your gonna be disappointed, from the plot and how everything has gone, i do not believe the author can pull it off,

and the second couple might just be there to have the story being written about the princes and the monster, like a record >.>
 
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i have a feeling your gonna be disappointed, from the plot and how everything has gone, i do not believe the author can pull it off,

and the second couple might just be there to have the story being written about the princes and the monster, like a record >.>
what about "the plot and how everything has gone" makes you think the author can't "pull it off"?
 
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Say … anyone still remember how Aurora said how she’ll deal with Karina after Karina’s hitmen died, and then Aurora sent some people there along with the teddy bear?

I am really curious about how these two will explain things. Obviously Aurora can’t be a dumb girl, but I really wonder what’s her plan here, since Karina seems to just prefer crashing the party, ruin the entire thing and then just scram.

(And I’m also very curious about how Evie will intercept this one. A one-in-a-million opportunity is in her hands to find the truth, no way she’ll let That pass by.)
 
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Say … anyone still remember how Aurora said how she’ll deal with Karina after Karina’s hitmen died, and then Aurora sent some people there along with the teddy bear?

I am really curious about how these two will explain things. Obviously Aurora can’t be a dumb girl, but I really wonder what’s her plan here, since Karina seems to just prefer crashing the party, ruin the entire thing and then just scram.

(And I’m also very curious about how Evie will intercept this one. A one-in-a-million opportunity is in her hands to find the truth, no way she’ll let That pass by.)

My thoughts on Aurora's Truth are elsewhere in the thread, but I think Eve will attempt to intercede, but potentially not get very far; I kinda expect something to come up between her and Rushtoka, if anything, given they're both Wolves - but Eve had a very different upbringing than Rushtoka did - not in the frigid north, and is actually literate, unlike the majority of the people in Rushtoka's village.

I don't know if there is potential for historical bad blood between them or anything (different factions of wolf people who might not see eye to eye or something), or if they'll be unexpected allies/kindred spirits in this scenario - but that feels like a thread that'll come into play before the end of this incident.
 
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It seems like the author is trying to redeem Aurora, but I don't see a way for the author to do that without disregarding the plot.

Aurora knew about both sets of assassins and seemed to stop a third set from being sent, instead going there herself to deliver the stuffed animal.

But... if she was actually a good person, she would have stopped the assassins from being sent or even declined the wedding in the first place. Karina only survived the assassination attempts by crazy amounts of luck, so Aurora basically got her killed in most realities.

I can't really fathom what Aurora's motives are besides maybe fear (of the Prince and of her sister perhaps), but she doesn't show fear here. Maybe she thinks she deserves death for what she's done?

That's really the only explanation that 100% jives with the existing story.
 
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It seems like the author is trying to redeem Aurora, but I don't see a way for the author to do that without disregarding the plot.

Aurora knew about both sets of assassins and seemed to stop a third set from being sent, instead going there herself to deliver the stuffed animal.

But... if she was actually a good person, she would have stopped the assassins from being sent or even declined the wedding in the first place. Karina only survived the assassination attempts by crazy amounts of luck, so Aurora basically got her killed in most realities.

I can't really fathom what Aurora's motives are besides maybe fear (of the Prince and of her sister perhaps), but she doesn't show fear here. Maybe she thinks she deserves death for what she's done?

That's really the only explanation that 100% jives with the existing story.
You are assuming certain things that aren't that certain. Firstly assuming Aurora knew the prince sent assassins before he sent them (if she become aware after the fact she is unable to do anything), secondly assuming she would be able to (she convinced the prince to not send the army only with a rational motivation, and also saying she would take care of her but without specifying how... it's possible the prince didn't know Aurora's plan and we don't know if he knew if he would have agreed, probably not)

Both sisters are stunted people by an excessive and borderline abusive style of parenting (neglect for Karina and hyper-attention on Aurora) so I wouldn't be surprised if at the end we discover both sisters actually think they did nothing wrong (like we know Karina already is doing)
 
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Wow, she still is not filled her revange is because her grudge is deep.
Lucky of her that her wife is fine to accomplishes so selfish desire
 
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But... if she was actually a good person, she would have stopped the assassins from being sent or even declined the wedding in the first place.
if the next in line for the throne says he wasts to marry you, there's not much choice in the matter for you. maybe if she was from some foreign family, there'd be som wiggle room, but with heir family's liege? not really. karina never had a choice in the matter either.

and who's to say she could have stopped those first assassins? who's to say she didn't try, even? it's easy to imagine that she asked each previous time, but was too late or too unconvincing, and only succeeded this time.
 
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Aurora knew about both sets of assassins

I'm sorry - but you're wholly making this assumption with zero actual evidence from the story, unless there's something egregious that I missed.

Everything else all assumes that Aurora has any actual agency even as the princess consort, and that she's privy to whatever schemes and plans Orlando had in place prior to stepping in to dissuade him from sending soldiers after Karina.
She was a sickly child, and even now isn't actually royalty or anyone with any real power within the governmental system of the kingdom. There's no reason to believe she'd have been included in the plans for any attempts on Karina's life, and the one time she is actually shown to be aware, she steps in and stops it instead.

If anything - it seems like the author's done a great job of selling Karina's perspective to people reading this story. While it's been relatively scant by (I'm assuming purposeful) narrative omission, what we have seen of Aurora, and of Karina's parents, and of the servants to their Ducal family, hasn't been the behavior of outright cruel and malicious people.
Karina believes them to be, but she's the hero/victim of her own story, and so she'll be invested in that being the case, and it sets up tension of what the actual truth is within the narrative.

And it's not even necessarily that Aurora is a good person; just that she's potentially not the villain that Karina is convinced she is.
 
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It's just come to my mind, in chapter 3 Aurora was willingly taking mission killing Karina instead of the prince plan of using the whole army to bring Karina's death. I'm sure that is Aurora's plan was faking her sister Karina death ?
 
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It's just come to my mind, in chapter 3 Aurora was willingly taking mission killing Karina instead of the prince plan of using the whole army to bring Karina's death. I'm sure that is Aurora's plan was faking her sister Karina death ?
we are shown what comes of aurora taking care of it and she just sent decorations for karina's castle and the plush that karina was made to give to her by her parents as a child.
 
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I think we might be more aligned in our stance on this than I first presumed; I do agree that there's just not enough information at present to know the truth - but I also fully believe that's the entire point and the intent of the author.

For my part - I'm taking the position that the First Prince, Orlando, is one confirmed antagonist of the story; and by extension his Father at minimum among the Royal Family. We get a bit of insight into the way the Crown operates with the introduction of Eve, wherein the King approaches her in the Scholar Archives and proceeds to shred the report she was making on the truth behind the "Ex-Princess Consort Scandal".
The King cites that he ordered all records destroyed because they represented a shameful moment in the Royal Family's past, but - that's just rewriting history to hide your own weakness, and I think it's fair to say that any entity willing to go to that extent to control the narrative for future generations is not "good". The King might not be an evil man, and the prince might not be more than simply petty and cruel in the way that a spoiled, doted-upon child of a ruling family might be, but they have power and influence, and have wielded that to unilaterally destroy and then erase someone they find personally problematic for their image among the people - and that's bad, and very much "antagonistic behavior" and thus I think worthy of Karina's ire.

Aurora, I think is a victim of her circumstances, but I do not believe she is a powerless pawn; for one, she was able to dissuade Orlando from sending soldiers after Karina, and instead sent servants to (I think we can assume) make that castle a more welcoming, livable space. So someone like Orlando was willing to listen to her, at minimum.
But I also think she had zero ill will toward Karina, both as a child and now in the present.
And to that end, I think her parents are largely not antagonistic forces, in terms of the "actual reality" of the entire situation. They did what they thought was best with the information they had, and harbored no ill intent toward Karina and wanted her to succeed.

The crux of the issue is that we have conflicting viewpoints in the story - one from Karina who sees everyone as her enemy who sought her destruction; and then we have the very-incomplete perspective of everyone else who knew her in-person; and we have Eve on the sidelines, who is trying to suss out the truth of it all while working with mere fragments of actual information, and the testimony of people who are either biased or wholly ignorant, or otherwise have an invested interest in "spinning the narrative" in one direction or the other.

So from here, I think it is correct to suspend judgment of the main characters, because I suspect we've been lead to this point by the author with the exact expectation that we the readers would have preconceptions about who is right, who is wrong, who is good, and who is bad, and that all of this is not actually what it seems.

Karina's viewpoint is important, but it shouldn't be considered gospel truth. It's correct to say she's been hurt by those in her life, because her pain is as valid as it is evident in how her circumstances have come to be. But, I am skeptical as to whether those who hurt her, did so with intent (other than Orlando, at least). The tension in the story is created out of that disparity between what we've been shown from the protagonist's perspective, and the crumbs of outside viewpoints that we've been fed along the way - which again, I think is the author's intent.

Which is why I cannot wait to see what comes in the next chapter, and I hope that we get a conversation between Karina and Aurora that starts to shed light on the truth.
Sometimes im wondering do royalty want to kill her because she knows too much about the negativity in the castle even without she realizing? It's just weird they want to destroy the whole history of her instead of rewriting it
 
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Heck of an entrance and something definitely seems up with sister. That it al parallels that story so well makes me think there may be someone, maybe even a god wanting entertainment, pulling strings here.
 
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Atm she reminds me of the lil sis in the stoic saintess one where she pretend to go along with the clown prince while biding her time to take revenge for what he did to her sister.

Alas unlike in that one these two didn't seem to be close and Karina is completely obsessed with this revenge so there probably won't be happy moment between them.
My expectation is Karina wreck the shop here then when prince and Aurora escape 'separately' Eve will follow Aurora then get to hear her side of the story for us.
What's the stoic princess one? It sounds familiar but I cant recall it off the top of my head
 

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