Akuyaku Reijou no Oyome-sama - Vol. 2 Ch. 10

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Count me in as another person that thinks the sister isn't necessarily plotting against her. Interested to seeing what the actual deal is, especially because the sister didn't look surprised at all from Karina's grand entrance.
 
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It isn't necessarily a dichotomy of "mastermind savior" and "evil villainous sister", though - or even "savior" and "oblivious".

She was sickly since childhood; Karina was even the stand-in Consort in her place, because of it. And, as @Kinkaiser stated above, Aurora stopped the prince from sending soldiers, instead sending gifts and servants to "make the castle more habitable", at least in her own mind. So we've gotten no outright antagonistic behavior or stated intentions from Aurora this entire time, but while she seems rather passive and blank, I think it can be argued that there are hints that she's aware of more than she's letting on.

If I had to guess - I think that Aurora is not the villain that Karina thinks her to be, and has simply tried to find some way to get Karina out of the engagement that she likely believes that Karina never wanted.
Karina was obviously suffering in some fashion during that time, and Aurora, who was supposed to be the one to marry into the Crown in the first place, could have wanted to spare her sister more pain, and did what she was able from a limited place of influence. She couldn't have planned the meeting with Reshtoka, or the subsequent destruction of that castle in the avalanche, *but that doesn't mean Aurora is wholly separate from Karina's fate or has no interest, vested or otherwise, in the wellbeing of her sister.
The Crown scrubbing Karina from the history books isn't necessarily something she could influence either, given she's even now not officially Royalty, and wouldn't have the sway to prevent something like that, especially if she had to hide mourning her sister's presumed death from her fiance.
yet aurora's plans (if she had them, following your reasoning) lead to karina being considered a liability to get rid off.
taking the position of crown princess from her sister was a harmful act because karina's rights were stripped from her.
and the whole staff of servants took it as an invitation to openly humiliate and neglect her, to curry favor the new crown princess.
the difference in treatment is undeniable.
karina had secured her own position in a power structure and was crushed to be replaced.
her sister's speculated intentions matter less in comparison to the results their relationship developed to.
 
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Idk im just not feeling it. Her sister doesnt come off as a conniving, thieving bitch. It feels like there’s more going on with her than the story’s telling us. I certainly wouldnt mind a story where she kills her sister only to find out later that her actions were meant to protect mc or something else noble.
I agree, and giving that Karina showed us her childhood plus how she was against her future husband murdering Karina I do not think Aurora is the bad guy here. Sadly, I also see Karina killing her in the heat of moment only to regret it later.

But I also think that everyone is forgetting the wild card here and that is the other wolf lady. She will no doubt intervene here and prevent the most tragic scene from happening. All in all, this is getting very interesting. For now I am all for Karina either killing or wounding the prince and escaping with Aurora and wolf ladies.
 
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yet aurora's plans (if she had them, following your reasoning) lead to karina being considered a liability to get rid off.
taking the position of crown princess from her sister was a harmful act because karina's rights were stripped from her.
and the whole staff of servants took it as an invitation to openly humiliate and neglect her, to curry favor the new crown princess.
the difference in treatment is undeniable.
karina had secured her own position in a power structure and was crushed to be replaced.
her sister's speculated intentions matter less in comparison to the results their relationship developed to.
you'll have to point out to me where all the staff and servants openly humiliated and neglected her. I saw nothing indicating that, and even in the castle she was exiled to in the north, the few servants we see, including the main one Karina most interacted with, gave no impression she was even willfully disobedient, let alone hostile toward Karina.
And, their parents also don't seem to hate Karina, or treat one favorably over the other. They treat Aurora as the sickly child she is in the flashbacks, but they don't ignore or abuse Karina; they hold her in high esteem and have great expectations for her, but they don't just demean and deride her.

If anything, Karina's skewed perspective of everyone around her is making her perceive them as hostile. Thus far, the only individual who, independently of her actual viewpoint, actually wants to hurt/remove her is Orlando the Prince.
Aurora, in all of the flashback we see of them as children, seems to look up to Karina, with bright smiles and eyes, and speaks nothing but words of praise and admiration toward her older sister. I'd argue even her giving the stuffed animal back, was an honest attempt to "make up" with Karina, as Karina was forced to give it to Aurora by their mother back when she'd first received it.

And I was actually reading back through to try and verify your hostile servants claim, and I'm now of the opinion that Aurora has had a mostly-passive role in all of this, as far as Karina's engagement annulment and exile.
Orlando wanted Aurora since the engagement was first decided upon when they were children; Karina was put forward instead by their parents because of Aurora's health issues. Karina stepped up and did her best, but Orlando barely paid attention to her - and while it's not yet been explained, I could see it being the case that--once Aurora grew a bit and perhaps got over some of her health issues--Orlando thought "well now she's healthy enough to become Queen" and he cast Karina aside, and took Aurora via his own (Crown-backed) selfish whims.
But Aurora did dissuade Orlando from sending more troops to "finish what the assassins started", and instead sent a bevy of maids and additional decorations/furniture to that castle, turning it from a "darkened and dreary place to one of light and comfort", to paraphrase Karina herself. (Yes, Karina saw it as her sister defiling her last-remaining home and thought of it as an act of mockery, but that's Karina's skewed perspective in all of this.)

Aurora could have been lied to about the machinations against Karina, or she may have thought it was for the best if Karina was tied to Orlando. We don't have confirmation at this point, though I suspect we might get something next chapter, now that she and Karina are face-to-face for the first time in years. We also don't see (at least as yet) what she thinks in the interim, when Karina is presumed dead and her name is scrubbed from the histories by the Crown. But that doesn't mean that she either orchestrated this result, or that even if she tried to help Karina in some fashion at certain points, that she could have foreseen the outcome - especially if she never accounted for Karina's distorted view of their relationship and of Aurora as a person.

In effect, all of the animosity between Aurora and Karina is seemingly all on Karina's end. Aurora is frail and merely engaged to the First Prince, who openly detests Karina. Aurora might not be scheming or making big moves to either dethrone/exile Karina, or to save/protect her, but she's done a few small things that allude to their happier childhood together, seemingly unaware of how Karina would react - and all of them would be within her direct power to do, as opposed to sweeping edicts or unilateral power moves that are beyond her reach.

That is to say - I don't think Aurora's oblivious in all of this; I don't think she's an antagonist toward Karina in reality, and that Karina is blinded/has an otherwise heavily distorted view on who her sister is. Aurora isn't spinning webs of schemes, but looking at this chapter - she wasn't surprised to see Karina, which I think means she didn't believe her sister was dead all this time. But she doesn't look angry to see her, either - and this is on her wedding day/a big step in her becoming Queen.


I did say that I think that maybe Aurora had something to do with the annulment of the engagement - looking through everything again, I would amend that to "she didn't fight against the annulment", and I don't think she had malicious intent toward Karina in light of it happening. But to your original statement of her being at best oblivious, I do think she's more "powerless" in the face of the First Prince to actually help Karina in any quantifiable way, and definitely not in a way that Karina won't misinterpret as malice.
 
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I don't have anything to say about Karina and Aurora, but I want that prince and the entire royal family dead on the ground, preferably burning.
 
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Wow that reunion happened faster than expected. Thought we’d first see some build up of Karina’s forces while Eve sleuths and discovers Karina’s past. Oh well.

I REALLY want to see familial love between the sisters. At least one of them to show how much they loved the other, with past events having twisted them into who they are now. Or something. I want the angst…
 
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her sister's speculated intentions matter less in comparison to the results their relationship developed to.
maybe her intentions don't matter much, but the amount of agency she had matters a lot.

consider two situations:

1) the prince, with no influence from aurora, decides he likes her more and schemes to replace karina with aurora and aurora does not want to replace karina, but is forced into the arrangement with the prince.
2) aurora decides, for whatever reason, it doesn't matter too much, that she wants to replace karina as crown princess, so she schemes to remove karina and become crown princess herself, manipulating the hapless prince.

in the first situation, regardless of aurora's intentions, she's not really culpable for anything that happened, it's all on the prince. in the second situation, regardless of aurora's intentions, she's fully culpable for everything that happened, and the prince isn't.
 
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That was so fucking hype!
Also Aurora definitely knew this would happen, somehow.
Thanks for the chapter!
 
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Yeah, I'm presuming Karina was to be killed in a mix of Spoiled Prince Charmless wanting the sister and wanting "Revenge" for not getting his way, and his father realizing Karina was pervy to SECRETS of the Royal Family as well as likely TOLD to act the Villainess.

Aurora might have thought if she complyed with Charmless, then her sister would be freed, but instead Charmless and his family saw her as a "loose end" to be eliminated "quietly!" The King likely wanting to "erase her" from the public mind because it was a "favor" to his new future Daughter in Law! Basically the "only thing she could do for her sister, even if it's basically making her a VILLAIN so EVIL and disgraceful, she was written out of history! At least she'd prefer her FORGOTTEN then Remembered in such a bad light!" The Only thing she COULD do because of COURSE her future FIL and husband would agree to "some small mercies!" (READ they BOTH see her as just small headed and only good as decoration! Well the King anyway, Karina was too smart to be a "Good Queen" to his loser son! Where Aurora is PERFECT, basically the image of "the Perfect Woman" to these types! "Quiet, does what she's told and acts SWEET enough to make their SO look better, as well as Empty headed so no worries of acting on their own or being SUCCESSFUL on their own, after all! She still kept TRYING to "help" Karina, only to make it worse)

Aurora however never realized just how much Karina hated her because of their parents foul ups and this whole affair, basically making her "sacrifice" worthless! Her mother likely gave the girl CLUES to look into Karina because she started wondering "when she went evil" especially as the Royal family were DETERMINED to erase her EVERYWHERE, it also brings to mind "why the royal family LET her do all the Evil she is accused of!" I think her mother feels guilt because she was so concerned about Aurora and fell for the "Oh she never disagreed and was so independent and mature for a young age" thing so MANY failure parents fall into, assuming because the child matures "fast" that means they can neglect them.

Where the Villainess AND Heroine were victims of the Narritive! The Villainess has ALOT in common with the Queen! Hell with the Queen, she's a mix of BOTH OF THEM with the King basically being an OLDER VERSION of his son, that story's "Prince Charmless!" The asshole mistreats his fiancee and cheats alot, but then wants control over her, he wanted to have his cake and eat it. HE wanted BOTH of them and his bad end when FMC succeeds in dying and going back to Korea illustrates how his behavior ULTIMENTLY cost him and to his horror "stuck him in a LOVELESS marriage with the Heroine who will be Queen, but like his mother towards his father, he will NEVER have her heart again! The story illustrated WHY the "Prince" ML in these type of story's is so HATE-ABLE, it ALWAYS ends up being CHEATING with his Fiancee, the one getting HUMILATED AND CHEATED ON, treated like the bad guy! I REALLY loved the assholes in the comment section of that story being MASSIVE hypocrites where they started HATING the Heroine, but then switch to HATING the OG Villainess when they learn the Heroine was MISERABLE under the Prince's "attention" and the OG Villainess not CARING! They missed the fact that's what the SCUM Prince wanted, them fighting each other instead of focusing on the REASON their fight each other in the first place! I ESPECIALLY hated him after the "attempted Rape" scene on the FMC where she was JUSTIFIED killing him in self defense. Only reason it had to be RETCON was it would RUIN her escape plan to return to Korea because ! And funny thing is, the Prince AND the Knight were hypocrites, especially the Knight, he knew what his Prince was doing, cheating on his spouse was wrong, but because he FAVORED the Heroine, he tried to act all KNIGHTLY on the Villainess....the VICTIM of said infidelity like she should "just let him CHEAT on her like that!"

It also finally granted everyone's WISH that the FMC DOESN'T Marry a Duke/Grand Duke/King-Emperor where the ML was a "Commoner Knight" who's only claim to fame is protecting and being family to a young girl meant to SAVE THE WORLD in the future. He deserved FMC in the end because he loved her and did as she asked even when it lead to his death! In a funny way in SOME Otome stories, he would be the Villainess "love struck minion!" and I think it's fitting that the King was a fool who REALLY believed his wife would EVER forgive him for what he did to their son, and her entire endgame was to kill them BOTH!


I'm putting my money that Karina plans to AIR the dirty laundry of the Royal family that thy were "so scared" of getting out! So scared that even when they assumed she was "dead" they wanted her ERASE out of fear she "left something around" or "people would bring up what I said, "why did the Royal F
 

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