Akuyaku Reijou no Shitsuji-sama: Hametsu Flag wa Ore ga Tsubusasete Itadakimasu - Vol. 6 Ch. 25.1 - Training Camp

[MangaDex]

 

[Varpie]

It's been a while, I completely forgot the plot around Fol and how/why Cyril is trying to find other reincarnators...

 

[AnotherDuck]

Why is it so common with characters not being able to separate the role they play from people who're similar to the roles? Even if that's what they're based on, they're still obviously twisted into their own characters. I mean, I can understand fans being crap at separating actors from their roles, since when you get enough of them, there will always be some lunatics involved, and if you get more than enough, you get more than enough lunatics.

 

[ciera]

Thank you

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

Why is it so common with characters not being able to separate the role they play from people who're similar to the roles? Even if that's what they're based on, they're still obviously twisted into their own characters. I mean, I can understand fans being crap at separating actors from their roles, since when you get enough of them, there will always be some lunatics involved, and if you get more than enough, you get more than enough lunatics.

Sounds like you answered your own question to me.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Sounds like you answered your own question to me.

Nah. I separate actors from fans, even if the actors are also fans.

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

Nah. I separate actors from fans, even if the actors are also fans.

They're not pros; I don't expect much from common teenagers that weren't even interested in acting before this play is decided, and had to rush their acting lessons

 

[AnotherDuck]

They're not pros; I don't expect much from common teenagers that weren't even interested in acting before this play is decided, and had to rush their acting lessons

But they're not dumb. Supposedly. It's like a student showing up at school not expecting to learn something, or someone showing up at a paintball match with a real gun and treating it like an American school.

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

But they're not dumb. Supposedly. It's like a student showing up at school not expecting to learn something

Expecting to learn is one thing, mastering what they're learning immediately is another. It would be more understandable criticizing their confusion as they're doing the play, but they're literally in their learning period; mistakes made is inevitable more than anything, nobody is perfect from the get go (unless you're the protagonist I guess).

 

[lordb1]

But they're not dumb. Supposedly. It's like a student showing up at school not expecting to learn something, or someone showing up at a paintball match with a real gun and treating it like an American school.

Reminder they as far as we've been told are still 12 and the 2 having issues have not been shown to be the smartest.

 

[weshwg]

It's been a while, I completely forgot the plot around Fol and how/why Cyril is trying to find other reincarnators...

Yeah same. I think Fol acted like she was one? The way she knew too much etc. which made him think theres more like him? I forgor.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Expecting to learn is one thing, mastering what they're learning immediately is another. It would be more understandable criticizing their confusion as they're doing the play, but they're literally in their learning period; mistakes made is inevitable more than anything, nobody is perfect from the get go (unless you're the protagonist I guess).

So according to you and your wording, once you've learned how to see the difference between playing a role and the actual person, you've mastered the craft of acting. You're perfect at it.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Reminder they as far as we've been told are still 12 and the 2 having issues have not been shown to be the smartest.

I work at a preschool. I've seen them handle it.

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

So according to you and your wording, once you've learned how to see the difference between playing a role and the actual person, you've mastered the craft of acting. You're perfect at it.

My wording is irrelevant
The point is they're still learning and you're peeved that they're not doing optimally despite not finishing their lessons yet.

I don't appreciate the "so you're saying" modus operandi of putting words in my mouth thing, but since it's just tangential poopery of semantics it's no biggie I suppose

 

[cryum]

That page....was that an oreimo reference?

 

[Jstar338]

But they're not dumb. Supposedly. It's like a student showing up at school not expecting to learn something, or someone showing up at a paintball match with a real gun and treating it like an American school.

Intelligence doesn't equate to acting

 

[AnotherDuck]

My wording is irrelevant
The point is they're still learning and you're peeved that they're not doing optimally despite not finishing their lessons yet.

I don't appreciate the "so you're saying" modus operandi of putting words in my mouth thing, but since it's just tangential poopery of semantics it's no biggie I suppose

If you don't appreciate me saying what you're saying, don't say what you said, because that is what you said. I never expected them to do anything perfectly. I was never even talking about their acting ability. And yet your entire argument hinged on that false fact. You're the one trying to put words into my mouth, so you have no cause getting offended for me calling you out on it.

As I said, I never expected them to be any kind of experts on it, or behave in any kind of optimal way. I expected them to be better than preschoolers. I expected them to manage the lowest of the basics. I expected them to have the presence of mind they've been shown to have up until then, what with all their political talk and manoeuvring. That takes far more skill, knowledge, and maturity than realising that a character in a play is not the same as a person when there are clear, obvious, and deliberate differences.

Intelligence doesn't equate to acting

So what? That has nothing to do with what I said.

 

[Ahodegozaimasuru]

I was never even talking about their acting ability. And yet your entire argument hinged on that false fact. You're the one trying to put words into my mouth, so you have no cause getting offended for me calling you out on it.

As I said, I never expected them to be any kind of experts on it, or behave in any kind of optimal way. I expected them to be better than preschoolers. I expected them to manage the lowest of the basics. I expected them to have the presence of mind they've been shown to have up until then

You really lost me there. They've never been depicted to have this "presence of mind" you mentioned and that's the basis of my stance, that they are not very intelligent and have never been shown to be capable of learning "the lowest of the basics" so easily. Not to mention, we can infer that this is the first time they're making this mistake because the protagonist is surprised, and most importantly haven't adjusted the lessons to solve this problem. I might be wrong but if I remember correctly, this is their first lesson session in general (he's surprised that girly is going to practice in a modern Japanese gym suit); although we can assume otherwise, (once again iirc) this is the first time us the reader see them having acting lesson with the protag. On the other hand if we assume this isn't their first lesson, what should be criticized is the protagonist's lesson itself for not teaching this "actor" mindset first.

Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought "being able to separate the role they play from people who're similar to the roles" is a skill, an acting ability. So when I see you so eloquently described this "fan" mindset that these two clearly has, it's clear to me that they lack the "actor" mindset ability exactly because they are either: 1. Incompetent, 2. Haven't got enough prior lesson, and 3. Need to do even more practice and lessons than normal because they're dumber than preschoolers.
I don't know who you're trying to kid here with the "I was never even talking about their acting ability" thing because, at least to me, you're obviously displeased about their acting ability.

This is the basis of my argument, it's not exactly "hinged" on me misunderstanding your position. My earlier post was essentially "they're still learning the basics, of course they won't know the basics" but you've interpreted it as "why did you expect these two to be a master professional actors" , and to be completely honest, that is entirely my fault; I practically started this with a "they're not pros" joke after all; I thought exaggeration was appropriate at the time since I've never approached you too seriously until your third post (tbf I even put Nyoron there, I just assumed anyone would've known that I was being silly), and I weren't expecting anyone to be so serious in a MangaDex forum of all places either.

 

[AnotherDuck]

Please tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought "being able to separate the role they play from people who're similar to the roles" is a skill, an acting ability.

You're wrong. Acting ability is about the ability to act. Learning about the difference between a role and a person is knowing about what acting is in the first place.

Edit (didn't have time before):

The response I made to your "Nyoron" post was where I made a joke about American schools. Is that what you meant by "so serious"? I said "But they're not dumb." That's a sentence fragment, implying I agree that they're not pros, but... I didn't say anything expecting them being experts. After that, you implied I did, which is why I called you out on it, and it snowballed from there.

 

[Kaitensatsuma]

Actually it's Three people Cyril: Y'lady, Aurelia and now Prince