Aldo no Isekai Tensei - Vol. 2 Ch. 8 - Condensed Ray

[Caffiend1113]

MC is really pissing me off.
TLDR: Can't get off his own dick. His immediate thought when something bad happens, is: "people will think I'm such a scawy monster! Oh woe be my power, my sins!"

Get off your own dick you're riding.... I thought he was worried what they'd think of him, because he tried creating a spell and utterly failed it, so he feared being a loser. Instead, he thought "they'd fear me, reject my power, I'm the protagonist of the tragedy that is Antigone"
It really comes across as if there's something missing in this adaptation, and I haven't read the original work. It's just so disjointed, it's sad. This is legitimately a fun read, OTHER THAN the occassional moment where the MC thinks he's the center of the universe.

Are… are you actually THIS fucking stupid?

 

[Akudia94]

Hey bud, instead of typing out all this nonsense just to try and justify these freaky pedo-ass tropes the Japanese insist on propping up, you could simply tie a knot and swing from the rafters instead. I promise you, everyone you know will be thankful.

bud, who trying to justify pedo? it just the same people hate Rudeus for making move on Eris is the same one shipping Aqua with Kana/Akane.

i just point out the hypocrisy of claims what and who pedo based on whim instead logical argument.

because there is no fucking way that reincarnated person can have normal relationship as their body and mind are not the same age.

if you stupid too understand, just said that you stupid. no need to bash something your brain can't comprehend and called it nonsense.

 

[Akudia94]

I'm just gonna say it.

Your responses are too long-winded and exhausting to read through when they're mostly making up scenarios to repeat the same statement that may not even be relevant several times.

I'm generally up for discussion and debate, but the effort of having to pick out your point isn't worth most of the ideas they're bringing to the discussion.

basically only body age are the requirements to be classified as Pedo. every that argument that mental needs consideration are wrong.

just because you think you are fish, doesn't make you a fish. you a human as your body is human. so adult in child body making move on someone on their age is not Pedo.

its child liking another child. fullstop.

 

[Solipsist]

just because you think you are fish, doesn't make you a fish

Not sure what the argument is about, but to barge in:
Uh, in this context, the idea is that a fish got reincarnated into a human's body, and can only recall all of its fish existence, so it'd truly have "the soul of a fish" (since that's a thing here).
Same thing about a human reincarnating into a fish -- is it so strange to think of a talking-fish with intelligence because of it?
So your arguments aren't any good.

The author is the only one responsible to make it apparent whether or not "the body overcomes the mind", and in this case it's not all that clear at all, to be honest. To me, the MC just appears as a fucking idiot.
Also, it seems like you're hard-committing to talk about "children relationships", which is something you might want to keep as an inside voice.

 

[Akudia94]

Not sure what the argument is about, but to barge in:
Uh, in this context, the idea is that a fish got reincarnated into a human's body, and can only recall all of its fish existence, so it'd truly have "the soul of a fish" (since that's a thing here).
Same thing about a human reincarnating into a fish -- is it so strange to think of a talking-fish with intelligence because of it?
So your arguments aren't any good.

The author is the only one responsible to make it apparent whether or not "the body overcomes the mind", and in this case it's not all that clear at all, to be honest. To me, the MC just appears as a fucking idiot.
Also, it seems like you're hard-committing to talk about "children relationships", which is something you might want to keep as an inside voice.

in Buddhism, where concept of Reincarnation Japanese isekai novel/manga use told that everyone is reincarnated.
the difference is that where ever you remember or not.

man can reincarnated to fish, the to tree then to human back. ofc they have no memory of past self.

so in Buddhism, everyone is actually live multiple lifespan.

do memories make you adult or you body make you adult.

if Fish reincarnated as human, then now he is human as his current reincarnated body is human.

if you an adult the get headsmashed. you lost your memories and the new you become childlike. so are you adult or child?

so my argument is the most logical. you are what the current body you are.

let me give you this. if adult man, identify himself as child as he lost his memory and his mind return to childlike capabilities and mentally. would you allow him dating you teenage daughter?

there you go. the soul doesn't matter. body is. the laws say body matter. a child with Johan liebert mental capabilities commiting crime still trial as child and received child sentencing

a adult with man-child mentally will still be trial as adult and received adult sentencing.

even if fish recalled is memories as fish, now he living as man, so human laws and morality are applied on him. if not, someone can eat him as he is considered as fish. but that would be cannibalism wasn't?

Hence, the only truly matter is you current body, your age and your gender.

 

[kiero13]

the world building and magic system makes it likeable but the storytelling is so much shit.

the mc is supposed to be previously an adult. why, just why does he have to be the dense, oblivious type.

and thats even outside the "teased" romance, gross. he keeps rushing things without thinking of the outcome and have the others save his ass and deal with the mess. after all those monologue about protecting others, he's becoming the threat to them with his recklessness.

like dude youre 25 or something, reincarnated and had all those happen at age 5, then 5 years later youre once again doing the same shit. like come on. are you like actually stuck and couldnt learn/mature? and of course the people around the MC see nothing wrong and keeps babying him ugh

 

[kiero13]

the problem with your arguments is you assume no context when its not for this scenario.

let me give you this. if adult man, identify himself as child as he lost his memory and his mind return to childlike capabilities and mentally. would you allow him dating you teenage daughter?

of course not. only those sick with their heads up high would allow it. why? because everyone and their moms know the man is an adult regardless of his accident

there you go. the soul doesn't matter. body is. the laws say body matter. a child with Johan liebert mental capabilities commiting crime still trial as child and received child sentencing

see, there is also a trial to decide whether the crime is extreme enough to consider the child for an adult court. so no, this argument isnt really valid.

everyone knows the child and the degree of crime is up for debate. context.

a adult with man-child mentally will still be trial as adult and received adult sentencing.

yes, cause again, everyone knows. but then there's also the debate for intellectual capacity, even for insanity, which will also weigh on the verdict.

FOR THIS MANGA, US and the MC knows he was an adult. if YOU, and the MC, have some amount of normalcy and morals, then YOU and the MC, in your right minds, wouldnt go for a 7-, now 12-year old who you grew up with.

theres also the setting. if in this world the adult age is 15, then by laws of that world that should be, at the very least, fine to start romancing with lol. then again, the normalcy within your past life may still be ingrained within.

the MC is an idiot, and hasnt shown any interest, nor notice at all. which is good but fucking irritating as a protagonist.

this isnt mushoku tensei where the story as established from the start, is about a complete POS degenerate who got a 2nd chance.

 

[TNT261]

I wonder if what the MC meant about his common sense changing was that he forgot his basic science courses from elementary school. Idk what he expected trying to imagine the sun and unlimited energy. Like dude that's just a nuke. Actually a nuke isn't nearly as powerful as the sun.

Anyway, now we have Chekov's gun. What super deadly mythical creature that shouldn't be in the routine monster culling is gonna pop up and make the MC resort to using his nuclear ray gun?

 

[BanzaiYuri]

"I won't use my ray of condensed sunlight!"
🚩

 

[Psychronia]

basically only body age are the requirements to be classified as Pedo. every that argument that mental needs consideration are wrong.

just because you think you are fish, doesn't make you a fish. you a human as your body is human. so adult in child body making move on someone on their age is not Pedo.

its child liking another child. fullstop.

This case is a child liking another child because Aldo isn't showing interest (yet) and the girl doesn't know he's not a child like her. Should be obvious to say, but things would be different if they would different. Because context matters.

I flatly disagree that physicality is all that matters and already made arguments for while. It can be considered as a factor, but isn't some arbitrary justification or defining line.

 

[Akudia94]

This case is a child liking another child because Aldo isn't showing interest (yet) and the girl doesn't know he's not a child like her. Should be obvious to say, but things would be different if they would different. Because context matters.

I flatly disagree that physicality is all that matters and already made arguments for while. It can be considered as a factor, but isn't some arbitrary justification or defining line.

that's all just emotional conjuncture. logical reasoning are based biology physical matter.

its is justication and defining line. especially by Laws.

saying otherwise just pure emotional argument.

 

[Akudia94]

the problem with your arguments is you assume no context when its not for this scenario.

see, there is also a trial to decide whether the crime is extreme enough to consider the child for an adult court. so no, this argument isnt really valid.

everyone knows the child and the degree of crime is up for debate. context.

yes, cause again, everyone knows. but then there's also the debate for intellectual capacity, even for insanity, which will also weigh on the verdict.

no lol. even the crime is severe, the will be punished the maximum punishment that laws can provide to children. they never be sentence by adult sentencing. NEVER.

no children ever being sentence as adults. the best way they wanted to punish them is wait them where they reach age.

INSANITY is lack sane thinking process of mess up brain function.

children capable of thinking normally, it just less mature in action. its lack, not lost.

you know technically, Pedophilia is part of Insanity as they brain chemistry are not working like they supposed to? this is according to science.

you feelings, happy, hate, stress, angry are results from you brain chemistry reaction to your surroundings.

so instead firing of hormones and biochemical that make you disgusted, it fired some that make you like towards child.

so does that make Pedo is innocent? ofc not. biological mistake doesn't make you not accountable for your actions. if schizophrenia person kill your children, you will have that man put to justice.

your logic is what DC did to Joker. because he is insane, he never get punished for his crimes.

Imagine comparing Insanity to child mentality. so according to you, children are insane mentally?

so you argument is just assumption. By Laws, the will be treat according to letter of laws. saying otherwise is pure oxymoron.

Morality never exist. is just man made construct to survive. if not, we live like animal. it away changes according to time and situation.

what right and moral today will never be moral in future. eating meat could me some very immoral and will be punish in future if Veganism become core or morality. and we today that eat meat will consider as criminal and heinous man.

but body is physical biological thing. it will always be same almost the time, apart some adaptation and evolution to surroundings.

 

[Psychronia]

that's all just emotional conjuncture. logical reasoning are based biology physical matter.

Wtf are you talking about?

This isn't a real situation so it's all conjecture.

You are free to have your opinion, but declaring yours logical and mine emotional without a scrap of proof is bad rhetoric and also just douchey.

 

[kiero13]

no lol. even the crime is severe, the will be punished the maximum punishment that laws can provide to children. they never be sentence by adult sentencing. NEVER.

no children ever being sentence as adults. the best way they wanted to punish them is wait them where they reach age.

either youre living in a very underdeveloped country, or you just lack the knowledge.

INSANITY is lack sane thinking process of mess up brain function.
...
you know technically, Pedophilia is part of Insanity as they brain chemistry are not working like they supposed to? this is according to science.

what im getting here is these are all new knowledge for you, and youre very excited to use it as argument to make it seem like you know stuff.

good for you buddy but youre not really attacking my argument, nor is it supporting your argument is. or is that explaining why youre okay with mushoku tensei and if it were to happen here as well?

so does that make Pedo is innocent? ofc not. biological mistake doesn't make you not accountable for your actions. if schizophrenia person kill your children, you will have that man put to justice.

your logic is what DC did to Joker. because he is insane, he never get punished for his crimes.

you know, courtrooms and how they end up with their verdict is something i cant control.

fact of the matter is IT DOES MATTER. you argue only the body matters, but the fact that these are being taken into consideration means youre wrong.

see? you said it yourself with your examples.

Imagine comparing Insanity to child mentality. so according to you, children are insane mentally?

who compared it? defn not me but you. youre the one who associated it.

Morality never exist. is just man made construct to survive. if not, we live like animal. it away changes according to time and situation.

you just said morality never exist, then say its man made construct, making it exist. your statements are contradicting.

also, invented (man made) is different from discovered. you saying its invented is an opinion. its subjective. which isnt really important cause it doesnt support your argument anyway lol

what right and moral today will never be moral in future. eating meat could me some very immoral and will be punish in future if Veganism become core or morality. and we today that eat meat will consider as criminal and heinous man.

you have the skills to be a politician for inserting random bullshit to look "informed"

but body is physical biological thing. it will always be same almost the time, apart some adaptation and evolution to surroundings.

lmfao dismissing adaptation and evolution to say biology will "almost" always be the same. dude.

and you were using bhuddism previously too. now you jumped to science.

youre contradicting your own arguments in an attempt to support yours, and that resulted to a poorly constructed building, having weak foundations its ready to collapse.

just to reiterate in case you forgot or confused yourself out of your own "arguments"—

you, buddy, support the idea of an adult man in a child's body having relationships with a child. despite having all these knowledge on today's standards, and even knowing that the MC is aware of his past. because its only the body that matters.

 

[Akudia94]

either youre living in a very underdeveloped country, or you just lack the knowledge.

you know, courtrooms and how they end up with their verdict is something i cant control.

fact of the matter is IT DOES MATTER. you argue only the body matters, but the fact that these are being taken into consideration means youre wrong

you just said morality never exist, then say its man made construct, making it exist. your statements are contradicting.

also, invented (man made) is different from discovered. you saying its invented is an opinion. its subjective. which isnt really important cause it doesnt support your argument anyway lol

lmfao dismissing adaptation and evolution to say biology will "almost" always be the same. dude.

and you were using bhuddism previously too. now you jumped to science.

cold never exist, it lack of heat. the cold term is man-made.

if you that dumb to understand that, then say it. since when i said discovered? human never discover moral and ethics. they created religion to make others obey them. Moral and religion are the same thing, created to control the masses.

it didn't contradict, it just you to dumb to understand. Moral is not physical things nor a physic laws that bind the universe. without moral, human are still exist. it just like the term of Evil and Good. Evil and good never exist in nature. human bind themselves to such rules because someone wanted to control the others.

it just country borders and visa, or passport. is man made term to justify people from entering their territory. people used to travel with those things and more freely too. is that means that is wrong? ofc not.

but buy today standard, its wrong. so who is right? see. it can't be decided as its not the universal truth like physic laws. its changes on whim to whatever people on certain times wanted.

people adapt to what benefits them.

when you said it DOES MATTER, it depends on which country. so if where i live doesn't matter, doesn't it make you right?

using underdeveloped argument is stupid as its developed countries that suffer birthrate and mental issues like " i identify as dog, i identify as we/they".
to LGBTQ, their pronouns, what i identify is matter, but for me and others, it doesn't matter. if its only matter at where you live but not at the rest of the world, then its not hard truth.

what if, in future, people considered incest is not wrong as if you wearing condom and both are adult, its should be no problem because love is love and its not affecting others.

the same argument what LGBTQ argue for their relationship.

and you, who against Incest would be the wrong and evil one to against it. so are incest good now? because the majority on that future agree to it?

that's why i said its man-made as it truly never exist. it just invisible wall we created to hold ourselves. its like schizophrenia vision. you see it, but it never exist. so in your point of view, it bad, in other, they doesn't see it bad.

morality and ethics change according to what masses needs. but biology never change as since human on earth until today, when you hit puberty, you are ready to procreate.

in some era, you will be considered as adult, but in our modern day era, they still not adult until they reach 18.

but the fact here is, biological, you can reproduce when puberty hit. unchangeable hard truth. that is what REAL.

biological, Animals are considered as adult when they able to mating. human are animals, we are mammals. rule of biology is that.

Morality and ethics is nothing more than " i identify as ..."

what ever you identify, the facts is biology never lies. if you identify as dog, you still human biologically.

so even you argue that kid mental capabilities is an adult, biologically his body is child, his brain structure is a child.
adult in child body can't make someone pregnant or getting pregnant.

child in adult body can make someone pregnant or getting pregnant.

so biology are the one truly matter.

the Buddhism is on the real of manga. the science is what we discussed in real life. because you talk about something IN COURT CASE.

you can't use Buddhism argument it court. guess you are the stupid one to not understand what to which one my argument is referred and answer to.

claims other just get new knowledge, but you yourself not understand the statement. kek

projecting your own stupidity eh?

 

[rabidporcupine]

Yeah, it was never going to go any other way.


It's an inherently sketchy thing, which is why I would have preferred we sidestepped it. It's an argument that has no official answer because it's not a real thing that happens, but we can at least dig a little deeper than that argument.

Firstly, if mental age is irrelevant, that means any relationship with those childish-acting 900 year old lolis are clear-cut cases of pedophilia. Meanwhile, if a 50 year old man intentionally regresses his own body to 10 years old and romances another 10-year old, that's perfectly acceptable by your argument.
You can make that argument if you want, but I just want to point out that you are indeed making that argument.

Second, there's a difference between an age gap of 20 and 5 years old vs 40 and 25 years old vs 60 and 45 years old. The younger you are, the greater the gap in the ability to make informed consensual relationships, and that difference in dynamics is what makes age gaps problematic instead of just challenging. Someone mentally 90 but physically 30 can date another 30 year old just fine because they're both consenting adults at that point.

The problem arises when someone mentally mature enough to know the difference pursues someone they should know isn't capable of giving informed consent.

In regards to your examples:

1. A younger soul in an older body would be more ethically sound if they date someone their own age, but dating someone their own age is also less sketchy because as far as his partner knows they are simply two informed and consenting adults and he himself is incapable of making the mature judgement. In both cases, it's more sociological and practical issues to consider rather than ethics.
2. If an 8 year old body with an adult soul tried to start a relationship with someone the same mental age as herself the problem is no longer that there's an age gap because she can make the informed decision. The problem is anyone who would be interested in her at that physical age would be a pedophile by definition, even if they knew her true age.

The ideal scenario is really to wait for romantic parties to reach the physical maturing age, ideally before ever meeting or catching feelings early so it won't be at risk of grooming either.

I mean, I think if it was ever done in a fully realistic way, it’d mostly be about brain age, right? I feel like it doesn’t actually come up in isekai because of magic and junk, but in a “realistic” scenario, even if you have the mind and memories of your past life, it’d be filtered through the young, underdeveloped brain of a baby, and have to develop from there, so for all intents and purposes, I feel like a reincarnated individual would still be considered a kid until their physical body is an adult for that reason.

Again, I understand trying to apply that sort of logic to an isekai is dumb on multiple levels, either because of magical excuses, or just because the author wouldn’t have considered that stuff. It’s just something I’ve thought about before, felt was relevant here, and am currently too sleep deprived to make the objectively right decision and just keep it to myself.

 

[Psychronia]

I mean, I think if it was ever done in a fully realistic way, it’d mostly be about brain age, right? I feel like it doesn’t actually come up in isekai because of magic and junk, but in a “realistic” scenario, even if you have the mind and memories of your past life, it’d be filtered through the young, underdeveloped brain of a baby, and have to develop from there, so for all intents and purposes, I feel like a reincarnated individual would still be considered a kid until their physical body is an adult for that reason.

Again, I understand trying to apply that sort of logic to an isekai is dumb on multiple levels, either because of magical excuses, or just because the author wouldn’t have considered that stuff. It’s just something I’ve thought about before, felt was relevant here, and am currently too sleep deprived to make the objectively right decision and just keep it to myself.

No, yeah. That sounds right to me.

There are a few isekai that mentally regress the reincarnators, and when that happens, it feels less weird. It takes work though, and not all isekai want to deal with that in their story.

 

[anasnaufal]

Aldo wants unlimited power?

 

[Enderkl]

In my opinion, Aldo is a very different case from other characters like Rodeus. Rodeus referred to his own parents as "children" from the beginning and clearly had strong sexual intentions from the time he was less than a year old. Aldo seems more like the concept of reincarnating with the memories of a past life, but without being that person entirely. He clearly acts and thinks like a child, and that's why he doesn't seem to notice things like Ashella liking him or how he uses his magic. I really don't think they're comparable cases. What happens in the average iseaki when a guy reincarnates in another world as a teenager to hook up with all the girls is different from one where the protagonist has clearly reverted to thinking and acting like a child.