Anti Snipe Controls :rejected:

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I am sick and tired of this the longer im on this site he more it happens

there has to be some sane way of preventing people mass uploading poor translations while another group is trying to provide slow but quality

I cant be the only one annoyed and frustrated this keeps happening because the usual result is BOTH GROUPS giving up.

Actual Suggestion: Perhaps after two three months of uploads a group can "claim" a story for translation locking other people out from uploading unless the claimed group does not upload within another two months



something has to be done and while m idea is shitty id take a shitty solution over this dramatic bullshit.
 
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already been denied.
its not MD's place to tell a group what they can or cant translate.
 
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Perhaps after two three months of uploads a group can "claim" a story for translation locking other people out from uploading unless the claimed group does not upload within another two months
Lmao i'm fucking dying. Who or what on god's green Earth gives anybody the right to claim another's work as if it's their own? lol claiming a series as if it their property this has to be has to be one of the worst ideas i've seen thrown out there or is one the best shitposts i've seen on this site, and honestly if you hate the snipers so much then block them voice your support for the other group and be done with it. Claiming lmao.
 
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I should just post this image in every snipe discussion thread.
And my shiny crystal ball foresees many more threads of this nature...

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@KiraEllion Don't get me wrong; I totally get your frustration. There's a lot about the nature of scanlation that's unsatisfactory, and the concept of "sniping" is definitely one of them. But the problem is, you really only have two options:

Option A: Learn to read another language and do your own translating/scanlating, as many users are fond of retorting with.
or
Option B: Accept that there's really no good way to police scanlation, nor should there be, in all honesty.

Putting aside issues of legality or morality (which so many people are fond of bringing up, as if we all aren't here for the same thing), scanlating is--for the most part--a voluntary service. No one has to scanlate. So those who choose to do so, do so knowing that there's some sort of value in it for them, whether it be monetary, educational, or ego value. They do what others can't or won't, and many of them know that, which leads to some occasionally unpleasant or unscrupulous behavior. Yes, there are some things you, as a reader, can do to mitigate those kinds of behaviors, but for the most part, it really boils down to just learning to tolerate/ignore the bad and support the good, in the hopes that supporting the good will encourage them to keep on keeping on.

That's the "human element" of scanlation: people/groups who want to be shitty, are going to be shitty. People/groups who want to be helpful, are going to be helpful. Both sides are going to continue doing whatever it is they want to do, however it is they want to do it, no matter what rules or incentives are put in place. If anything, putting more rules and policies in place will actively make things worse because the groups that do quality scanlations are going to feel as though they're being limited/punished for something they had no hand in, while the troll groups and snipers will simply find some new and inventive way to bend/break those rules, or leave, and continue their antics elsewhere. It could even result in some of those quality scanlators becoming part of the problem in their own way: you've no doubt probably seen some scanlation groups already who believe they, and only they, have claim on a given series, and as such, think they can define when, how, and if it gets released to the reader. That issue would only be exacerbated if the ability to compete with such groups became limited in any meaningful fashion. That's why every post calling for regulating the process of scanlation is doomed to fail--that human element is both the strong point and the weakness of this whole "trade": it only exists, good or bad, because people are allowed to approach it how they want.

Now, if this was just to vent, that's cool. I routinely have to stop myself from making E/N posts complaining about manga tropes I don't like, or scanlator group decisions I don't agree with. But I figured I would try to actually add some constructive explanation of why nothing gets done about sniping, since these threads often devolve into miniature flame wars or collective mocking of the OP.

If you read all the way to this point, thank you for your time, and patience. (Hopefully) Happy reading to you.

EDIT: Grammar clean-up.
 
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> I should just post this image in every snipe discussion thread.

Yea. I should just post it in every "I don't like thread"...

NO ONE IS FORCING YOU TO READ ANYTHING. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT - DON'T READ IT.
 
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Just block the group that you don't like and hope for the best. Mangadex is the only place that has the ability to do so, every other place will probably upload what was uploaded the quickest, and won't honor the two groups that worked on it.

There are definitely entitled readers, and I just wish groups would stop feeling entitled about titles as well. It's not that I don't understand groups who worked on something since chapter 1 only to be sniped. It's really frustrating. Sniping is a dick move, that's all there is too it, the group that was sniped will see, readers will see, the scanlation community will see that they're a dick so that's on the group.

the usual result is BOTH GROUPS giving up.
I think this is just to them making such a big deal out of it, bringing in everyone, include a brigade of readers who are on the side of the groups. There are plenty of titles on here that have two or sometime even more groups working on it, and readers and groups are just minding their own business.
 
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Did you miss my tongue-in-cheekiness when I posted that? Perhaps I really should add /s as a habit.
I thought it being a parody of "Swiper no Swiping", which doesn't deter the recurring character in the least, would parallel how difficult it is to enforce such an anti-sniping stance.
 
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You're not the first to bring this up and this solution has been denied countless times previously.
 
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I'm going to be honest with you. I've seen a novel translation get dropped because someone with a tiny blog in the ass-end of nowhere was just translating random chapters from random things as practice (never told anyone about it, never committed anything to novel-updates) and ended up translating one chapter from that project.

Just stopping people from uploading things on mangadex because someone "claimed" a series is going to cause way more harm than good.
 
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@sleeper yup i'm already seeing the mini flame war..

thanks for the post man your thoughts and all that stuff it's appreciated. half vent post half someone smarter then me should be able to figure out Something?

Two series i'm reading currently have to deal with this drama.

anyway thanks for he explanation
 
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@KiraEllion

There's one group I've been following who has some trolls from reddit and 4chan that are literally following them around sniping them every time they release something. It's quite amazing to watch, so much effort just to prove your NOT MAD at some group you don't like. They even bragged about doing it on an ungodly smug reddit thread bragging that they were ruining things for the group, driving members out of it and harassing the group's founder wherever he went.

I kinda wish these types, alongside a few other cancerous types on the site, would just happily go back to Tumblr so we can all continue ignoring them to death.


Basically, with modern Mangadex, if you want to improve your experience, block the group named "no group." You'll avoid 90% of the no effort posts from trolls.
 

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