Apocalypse Bringer Mynoghra: World Conquest Starts with the Civilization of Ruin - Ch. 31 - Curtain

[LidiaNekozawa]

Just want to remind, he is not from RTS (real time strategy). He is from weird nonsensical TBS (turn based strategy), sort of fantasy Civilization, but with heroes like in HoMM.

I suspect it's something closer to Langrisser or Lord Monarch with a bit more money management, the heroes are really really strong. Lu Bu strong.
Heck, that's even a narrative thread in those games. Your Old Master who teaches you how to fight sacrifices himself so you get away and takes down thousands of enemy soldiers with him
Any first (of 3 tiers) evolved knight or priestess is basically invincible on a hill, and it only gets worse for the generic troops the higher they go.
Only 4x I've seen with heroes that buff has been Star Wars (for obvious reasons)
You don't see that level of absurd power in western srpgs
Actually, wait... Just had a flash of memory, I think I got it nyao!

all that's missing is the terrain alignment!

 

[Madmous]

I am a bit befuddled at the moment, but one thing I don't quite get: TTRPGs are usually played in groups, with the exception of certain adventures specifically made for playing solo. Those that work solo are explicitly made so you can resolve challenges with dice- so technically, as that specific person is using dice to resolve challenges, they're not technically the DM, but forced to play a solo TTRPG. And the game just said 'fuck you and your cheating ways, I'm sick of it'?

 

[Willie29]

Why did it take 6 months? Were the raws delayed by the author?

Thanks for the translation though 👍🙏🙏

probably something to do with the anime

 

[Willie29]

People were so mad when I called the MC evil - seems I was right

He is "evil" bur he's not a bad person
and right now he getting his get back

 

[Willie29]

it's find out time

 

[Willie29]

I hope Atou doesn't have memories while being brainwashed...

she already knows

 

[Willie29]

Blame game? I don't care about you, don't try to make this into some kinda personal beef. I only showed how it's matter of perspective. Even if they went for the kill, stopping an evil cult is not exactly the worst of reasons. Either way, I'm not calling them good people, I'm simply pointing out that the MC is evil - as I said above, if that triggers someone they might be need of some introspection

yes the MC is "evil" but he dose not go out of his way to cause trouble to get what he wants.

hell he'd planed to avoid dealing with the "good' nations until he had to for negotiate, but the leaders of the holy kingdom went out of their way to kill him because they got a divine message to "beware the king of ruin". not to kill him, not to defeat him, not even to defend from him, but to "beware" meaning to be cautious of him not attack.

When you see a sing to beware a wild animal you don't go out to kill it. you try to avoid it and prepare for the chance you might encounter it where you might have to kill it. but you don't just jump head first into a wolf's den try to kill the leader steal its mate and think you can get away scot-free because they are dangerous

 

[Willie29]

Blame Game referring to kicking around the 'reasoning' for the assassination attempt.

You also didn't explain what actions Takuto took that rated being evil. While it may be obvious what you consider evil to yourself, the person you seem to assume has made it personal may not agree. You've obfuscated your point with the prior post, and did not explain how they were evil. Just made the actions of both 'just' from their point of view.

Your justification that the MC is evil is that. . . They are evil? The civilization they lead is proscribed as evil, but from what lens is the protagonist actually evil? If the framing of them is your actual reasonings that the MC is evil; you've only explained, and poorly in my opinion, how the civilization is evil beyond their self-description.

they are evil in name at best and at worse is how they deal with enemies.
and the warning she got was to beware him not to attack him

 

[LomiBox]

Truly fire

 

[Arcara]

Espionage/subterfuge usually sucks in Takuto's 4X games (Endless, Civ, GalCiv, you name it nobody get it right or balanced) so it's to his advantage that he's fighting a freeform TTRPG here - basically being a shadow GM he can just import 4X rules to advantage

 

[Iskarioth]

Blame Game referring to kicking around the 'reasoning' for the assassination attempt.

You also didn't explain what actions Takuto took that rated being evil. While it may be obvious what you consider evil to yourself, the person you seem to assume has made it personal may not agree. You've obfuscated your point with the prior post, and did not explain how they were evil. Just made the actions of both 'just' from their point of view.

Your justification that the MC is evil is that. . . They are evil? The civilization they lead is proscribed as evil, but from what lens is the protagonist actually evil? If the framing of them is your actual reasonings that the MC is evil; you've only explained, and poorly in my opinion, how the civilization is evil beyond their self-description.

I honestly thought it was obvious. Fact aside that his miasma is literally turning the people into monsters who lose their morality, as was described in previous chapter where they didn't see or felt anything wrong with people being skinned in the streets, even just looking at the latest chapter, him using the face of his friend to stab the unrelated (afair) paladin in the back wouldn't make him a decent guy in my books. Tho I concede that the ideas of morality among the readers wildly vary.

 

[Someanon]

Anyone could be kind enough to tell me what's chapter of the LN this chapter is from?
I'm tempted to jump on the LN now, though maybe I should read it from the start?

 

[zetsuravez]

Ive waited like a year and not reading 4+ chapters just to end up in a cliffhanger... If the next update will be at 5 months later might as well ask for spoilers... If anyone can spoil me what happened in this arc then please tell...

 

[McYeet]

Anyone could be kind enough to tell me what's chapter of the LN this chapter is from?
I'm tempted to jump on the LN now, though maybe I should read it from the start?

https://forums.mangadex.org/threads...n-of-ruin-ch-31-curtain.2417927/post-27645827

 

[Amaiar]

It seems pretty obvious that MC's side has a way to infiltrate a territory without getting caught. Makes sense since from the beginning they have to play sneaky until they get stronger. I guess Atou has some sort of impersonating skill. Probably the sort of parasyte that controls the dead body. And it's effective enough that not even luck can help the RPG player this time.

Good.

 

[mangavorex]

i almost forget who verdel was

I completely forgot though
little help?

 

[rluka]

I am a bit befuddled at the moment, but one thing I don't quite get: TTRPGs are usually played in groups, with the exception of certain adventures specifically made for playing solo. Those that work solo are explicitly made so you can resolve challenges with dice- so technically, as that specific person is using dice to resolve challenges, they're not technically the DM, but forced to play a solo TTRPG. And the game just said 'fuck you and your cheating ways, I'm sick of it'?

What I get is, we have two individuals.

We have “Master”, the isekai’d guy, playing as GM. He sits outside, unable to directly control the players, but is able to observe what happened around the players.

Meanwhile Erakino took the position as TRPG player character. Like Atou, she got a degree of consciousness and independent action. But she still have to listen to GM directing the campaign story, or she can consult to the GM, like this time when she asks if Divination is alright, and he tells her she can roll for action.

 

[Carn109]

Bro is the imposter

 

[wussmapoipus]

He got murdered in broad daylight by a brainwashed trusted aide. He can be Lawful Good and murdering back his assailants would still be a valid crashout.

But last i checked, lawful good didn’t condone targeting all the friends and family of people who have done you harm. Also impersonation of the dead is also not morally the best thing ever.

Gotta be honest, really, really curious how he’s pulling this off.

 

[hybras]

Technically, when Takuto "wins". The world will be covered in miasma and turn evil.

I remember there is some conversion system in place for changing alignment? Might make you go crazy in behavior but normally does not seem to subject to biological death.

And when the majority is crazy, are you really crazy?