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huh?

Not sure what you're getting at man. I agree with what you just said. (actually argued with someone on another thread that tried saying gyaru also means slut because so many authors have written it that way).

I was more talking about tropes/commonalities in romcom fiction, not specific to any fashion style.
i see, but tbh its not only in fashion style but cuz gal tropes in romcom are mainly seen as really extroverted characters sometime jerks "who can get away from anything they do cuz of statue or their relative's statue (school, media and ects)" or horny JKs w/high segs drive or just mainly from the author's experience (most commun the case in romcoms)
 
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i see, but tbh its not only in fashion style but cuz gal tropes in romcom are mainly seen as really extroverted characters sometime jerks "who can get away from anything they do cuz of statue or their relative's statue (school, media and ects)" or horny JKs w/high segs drive or just mainly from the author's experience (most commun the case in romcoms)
I don't know about the author's experience part, cause a lot of the romcom authors are females.

tldnr: gyaru + western influence in the main cities (tokyo & kyoto), giving the outcome where most there are probably also hoes, with the authors living in those places, you get the outlook that the two go hand in hand.

But it's not because they're a gyaru, instead it's because that's the norm for people in general. You're an exception if you haven't had many partners if any. (this is true of all westerns cities, and not uncommon for dense cities in general, a law of numbers kinda thing).

I'd say more because of western influence if anything to be honest. Cause gyaru's are of western influence to some degree, but also in highly western influenced places like tokyo, it's become more acceptable to be promiscuous and to cheat.

There were surveys with 20-40% have cheated taken from the main cities like tokyo and kyoto, which is despite it usually being suicide, as everyone would shun you, and you'd be legally liable for damages (male or female, doesn't matter).

So it could be an amalgamation of those two factors, where the author is probably in a densely populated place like tokyo or kyoto, with heavy western influence of promiscuity, so in those places it is common for gyaru's to also be hoes. where as city borders and outside, it'd simply be a style.

But this is simply my theorizing. logically speaking, a gyaru and a non-gyaru are just as likely to be promiscuous as the other, in the main cities, because it is the culture at large that has been impacted, not a specific group.

A bit off topic: I would honestly suggest that if you visit japan, avoid those two cities, especially if you're a female, and don't want to be groped/molested, while the rest of japan treats it very seriously, for some reason tokyo and kyoto are lax on it, and you will be punished if you do something about it. had a military friend work there for a while, and the police wanted to go after him for hitting a guy that was molesting a JK, it was only because he was in uniform they ignored him, where as everywhere else in japan, that'd be fine, and he'd have been thanked for it.

That isn't a japanese culture issue, more an issue of what you get when japanese culture breaks down and gives into western influence (not the good kind), which those two cities have to a large extent.

Although this concept isn't unique to japan, and has more to do with desnser populations in a small area. (just that western influence is like adding oil to the fire, and social media to an extent.)
 
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I don't know about the author's experience part, cause a lot of the romcom authors are females.

tldnr: gyaru + western influence in the main cities (tokyo & kyoto), giving the outcome where most there are probably also hoes, with the authors living in those places, you get the outlook that the two go hand in hand.

But it's not because they're a gyaru, instead it's because that's the norm for people in general. You're an exception if you haven't had many partners if any. (this is true of all westerns cities, and not uncommon for dense cities in general, a law of numbers kinda thing).

I'd say more because of western influence if anything to be honest. Cause gyaru's are of western influence to some degree, but also in highly western influenced places like tokyo, it's become more acceptable to be promiscuous and to cheat.

There were surveys with 20-40% have cheated taken from the main cities like tokyo and kyoto, which is despite it usually being suicide, as everyone would shun you, and you'd be legally liable for damages (male or female, doesn't matter).

So it could be an amalgamation of those two factors, where the author is probably in a densely populated place like tokyo or kyoto, with heavy western influence of promiscuity, so in those places it is common for gyaru's to also be hoes. where as city borders and outside, it'd simply be a style.

But this is simply my theorizing. logically speaking, a gyaru and a non-gyaru are just as likely to be promiscuous as the other, in the main cities, because it is the culture at large that has been impacted, not a specific group.

A bit off topic: I would honestly suggest that if you visit japan, avoid those two cities, especially if you're a female, and don't want to be groped/molested, while the rest of japan treats it very seriously, for some reason tokyo and kyoto are lax on it, and you will be punished if you do something about it. had a military friend work there for a while, and the police wanted to go after him for hitting a guy that was molesting a JK, it was only because he was in uniform they ignored him, where as everywhere else in japan, that'd be fine, and he'd have been thanked for it.

That isn't a japanese culture issue, more an issue of what you get when japanese culture breaks down and gives into western influence (not the good kind), which those two cities have to a large extent.

Although this concept isn't unique to japan, and has more to do with desnser populations in a small area. (just that western influence is like adding oil to the fire, and social media to an extent.)
i see ty, i learned a lot
 
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oh look another shounen romcom featuring a manchild with absolutely zero redeeming qualities being given a popular, outgoing, and pretty girlfriend. Now he gets to live in a super saccharine relationship that he doesn't have to put any effort in to maintain at all.
Lotsa female done the "doesn't have to put any effort in to maintain at all." part irl (they can effortlessly get a mate because.. well, female.. lotsa men are simps too), so why won't anyone create the reversed gender version in storybooks lol.
It's a business potential.
 
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i see ty, i learned a lot
You're welcome.

Lotsa female done the "doesn't have to put any effort in to maintain at all." part irl (they can effortlessly get a mate because.. well, female.. lotsa men are simps too), so why won't anyone create the reversed gender version in storybooks lol.
It's a business potential.
A simpler way to put it, it's fantasy, so it sells. Why would someone, write something that happens every day, all the time, all around the world... especially in a male dominated space.

Might work as a light-novel, but they'd have to ramp up how much the dude does for the chick, while also not actually doing anything, cause the man doing something i a turn-off at the same time.
Would have to be a benefits by proxy kinda thing.

O wait... I just described 90% of these female lead webcomics.... Oops. But they're not an actual role reversal cause the man acts cold and reserved... doting... ah, well the father looking after his daughter ones has that... but well, that's not romance.
Maybe there are some LNs that have it? dunno, but it ain't popular enough to get an adaptation that does well.

Cause who'd it be for? Men don't want it, Women don't want it, so who actually wants to read, a man one-sidedly simping for a girl... No one, if anyone did, they wouldn't find a book about it, they'd go on the twitter or chats of a female twitch streamer :|

p.s. The true role reversal, ignoring the whole "gender-equality" bullshit, would be something like 50 shades of grey. i.e. dominant man, in a basically rapey way, but is still very macho, and not creepy at the same time.
 
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no no, you forgot the part where the girlfriend is an equally trash quality character of take your pick:

1. A hoe the jumps from dick to dick, but suddenly stops with MC for no apparent reason.

2. A bitch... yup, that's it, but we're supposed to think there's something more to them, when after 100 chapters there isn't, they're just a bitch.

3. Only wants to use MC for some sort of gain (usually this is in stories where MC actually has something to offer).

4. Just wants to make their ex jealous so uses MC to do that, but Magically falls for MC, for literally no reason, and we're supposed to think they're some sort of saint and that they weren't trying to revenge date.

5. All of the above.


p.s. I have not actually read this, so I don't have any idea if this gal falls into any of the above.... but by fact they're a gal... and most authors go "gal = whore/slut" then imma assume possibly at least #1. Although rarely you do get authors that go "Gal is just a style, and has no bearing on their dating/sexual history."

For those of you just founding out it doesn't mean bimbo grats on learning something new, and yes it's gal because they try to look american with the whole blonde and tan, although from that aspect maybe promiscuity too... since that's pretty American as well but I digress, although... western too...

p.s. for the cucks that get upset at called a spade a spade and a hoe a hoe, go complain to your wifes boyfriend not me.

This would've been facts if it wasn't such a narrow scope on bitches. I'm pretty sure most of what that guy commented are the tropes in a trash romcom nowadays, rather than whatever that was about. Without going on specific genres, a lot of these gals i found are actually fashion, and a normal girl who may have had pure relationships in the past, rather than being some hoe.
 
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Classic deflection, and shaming tactic.

Boring, try again.

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"Heh"
 
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You're welcome.


A simpler way to put it, it's fantasy, so it sells. Why would someone, write something that happens every day, all the time, all around the world... especially in a male dominated space.

Might work as a light-novel, but they'd have to ramp up how much the dude does for the chick, while also not actually doing anything, cause the man doing something i a turn-off at the same time.
Would have to be a benefits by proxy kinda thing.

O wait... I just described 90% of these female lead webcomics.... Oops. But they're not an actual role reversal cause the man acts cold and reserved... doting... ah, well the father looking after his daughter ones has that... but well, that's not romance.
Maybe there are some LNs that have it? dunno, but it ain't popular enough to get an adaptation that does well.

Cause who'd it be for? Men don't want it, Women don't want it, so who actually wants to read, a man one-sidedly simping for a girl... No one, if anyone did, they wouldn't find a book about it, they'd go on the twitter or chats of a female twitch streamer :|

p.s. The true role reversal, ignoring the whole "gender-equality" bullshit, would be something like 50 shades of grey. i.e. dominant man, in a basically rapey way, but is still very macho, and not creepy at the same time.
That part about the female lead in comics is so damn true.

But add in love interests who are more like simping, scheming, shallow male characters who'd resort to being "overly affectionate"(is grabbing, pinning, kissing all of a sudden not sexual harassment?) despite knowing she is taken, and fmc who is supposed to be strong but also a damsel in distress because her strengths are for some reason the cause of her weaknesses, and she doesn't actually push the guys away despite having a man. This man also discreetly does alot for her. In addition the girl may have had a few... interactions with the other men... because she couldn't push them away even when she isn't being forced.
 
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So from what I've read in the first few chapters, the mc literally sounded like a pretentious otaku as a kid. Relatable if you have a friend who only wants the conversation to be about his interests. So ofcourse that friend of his wouldn't want to be hanging out with him.

Judging from his younger self and now, it seems like overhearing stuff about being like that, made him like this because he made being an "introvert otaku" his personality. Skill issue.

The girl had magically taken an interest in him, even telling him she has no boyfriend. Coincidentally, they find out they're fiance and fiancee. The fact that this part came after the initial interest is astounding. It's so cringey convenient that it's obviously a trash start where the mc has no redeeming qualities, yet the girl still takes an interest, all the while the mc compares her with the 2d girl who coincidentally looks like her, and also rude thoughts because he prefers his negativity, which is quite irritating.

(this next part may not be so unrealistic, actually)
He often tries not to, "misunderstand," which is kind of stupid. It's as if in his eyes, a girl shouldn't approach or be friends or be kind, unless she likes him. So what if it is out of pity? You'll still be friends and it's a simple first step. Put in effort. Cue in some character telling the otaku to know his place.
 
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That part about the female lead in comics is so damn true.

But add in love interests who are more like simping, scheming, shallow male characters who'd resort to being "overly affectionate"(is grabbing, pinning, kissing all of a sudden not sexual harassment?) despite knowing she is taken, and fmc who is supposed to be strong but also a damsel in distress because her strengths are for some reason the cause of her weaknesses, and she doesn't actually push the guys away despite having a man. This man also discreetly does alot for her. In addition the girl may have had a few... interactions with the other men... because she couldn't push them away even when she isn't being forced.
Yup.

You'll also notice, that in almost ALL of media, movies, TV, Written, the "love" stories, have the FMC cheating.

Movies 100% of the most popular ones are straight up cheating. The standard "Woman in boring/abusive relationship, finds mr Exiting, cheats, the end." like... it doesn't even have the class to have her actually break up, cheating is almost a requirement for modern "romance" chick flicks to be popular.

A different example would be "Forest Gump" the movie that popularized simping for a whore. (like literally, the chick got aids... ain't no way the kid is his, and he would've die from aids too).
 
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Love the artist inability to draw smiles..
Like the entire face is smiling, but mouth is poker 🤣 it becomes weird..
 
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huh?

Not sure what you're getting at man. I agree with what you just said. (actually argued with someone on another thread that tried saying gyaru also means slut because so many authors have written it that way).

I was more talking about tropes/commonalities in romcom fiction, not specific to any fashion style.
It depends how people define words. For the most part gyarus in puritanical and japanese social sphere are regarded as "easy" women due to their past behaviour and they actual aspirations i.e. american fashion and trends.
Their misconceptions that many americans and europeans are more casual towards everything (we are indeed more casual if compared in general to Japan but margins are not extreme).
Gyarus also have history i presume, i do not know currently but before that they were quite often spotted selling their services or being involved with a lot of guys.
Some may say slut, some may say "easy" others who knows what.

Gyaru is a rebellious attitude towards japanese society, being loud and flashy and usually (not as a law) more sexually liberated. (Though i fear that following States of Sodom and Gomorrah isn't the wisest decision)
 
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That part about the female lead in comics is so damn true.

But add in love interests who are more like simping, scheming, shallow male characters who'd resort to being "overly affectionate"(is grabbing, pinning, kissing all of a sudden not sexual harassment?) despite knowing she is taken, and fmc who is supposed to be strong but also a damsel in distress because her strengths are for some reason the cause of her weaknesses, and she doesn't actually push the guys away despite having a man. This man also discreetly does alot for her. In addition the girl may have had a few... interactions with the other men... because she couldn't push them away even when she isn't being forced.
Glad somebody noticed this, that's why i try to avoid any female oriented genres. Male oriented genre vanity is having harems and big proportions. Female oriented genres is pushing boundaries (or her boundaries being pushed), cheating and etc.
In essence scummy behavior from male leads, slutty behavior from female leads isn't being questioned nor judged.
 
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Yup.

You'll also notice, that in almost ALL of media, movies, TV, Written, the "love" stories, have the FMC cheating.

Movies 100% of the most popular ones are straight up cheating. The standard "Woman in boring/abusive relationship, finds mr Exiting, cheats, the end." like... it doesn't even have the class to have her actually break up, cheating is almost a requirement for modern "romance" chick flicks to be popular.

A different example would be "Forest Gump" the movie that popularized simping for a whore. (like literally, the chick got aids... ain't no way the kid is his, and he would've die from aids too).
Honestly, you touched my heart. Not only noticing the strings but revealing them.
I will also point out 2 things not related to media:
1) Women cheat more before ages 32-35 (stats)
Also it seems that this trends will only increase i.e. age of cheating women will increase
This is due to factors like: Media propaganda (pleasing consumers dark desires also due to oversaturation girls (who were not interested) will be unwillingly bombarded by those troupes).
Men in general start to lose testosterone (every new generation has less testosterone) so by that definition we are less prone to engage in risky behaviour (cheating is one of them) and desire for sex is decreased).
This all means, shits gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

2) Anecdotal personal life experience. Seen men cheat on women (mostly older generation i.e. grandparents generation, parents generation and inbetweeners) at that time it seemed it was more men or 50/50. In my generation this trend is heavily skewed towards women cheating. Never once had i heard my friends stating or bragging this while women in my surrounding's where nonchalantly saying how they cheated and why they cheated (Reasons were self-serving i.e. didn't want to move back to my parents house is one example(that's why she didn't want to break up with a guy normally))
In my anecdotal experience women mostly cheated because they already wanted to leave relationships but due to financial/status security didn't want to. They made all kinds of lies when found out. In most cases though they cheated for 6-8 months, fabricated breaking up (where her current boyfriend was made to look as evil guy) and left with the new guy (It's not rare that the new guy didn't know).
In my personal eco sphere - No man would support me cheating on my partner and would beat me up BUT at the same time heard how family members and friends (girls) covered cheating for each other.......
So the myth about being more frequent cheaters is just that a myth (in my experience). Women simply are better at covering tracks and finding out if men cheated due to their nature (human interaction oriented and better smell and color distinction).

While men can be dumbos who will not notice that she bought new lingerie but for some reason never used it with you but they were already washed multiple times..................
 
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It depends how people define words. For the most part gyarus in puritanical and japanese social sphere are regarded as "easy" women due to their past behaviour and they actual aspirations i.e. american fashion and trends.
Their misconceptions that many americans and europeans are more casual towards everything (we are indeed more casual if compared in general to Japan but margins are not extreme).
Gyarus also have history i presume, i do not know currently but before that they were quite often spotted selling their services or being involved with a lot of guys.
Some may say slut, some may say "easy" others who knows what.

Gyaru is a rebellious attitude towards japanese society, being loud and flashy and usually (not as a law) more sexually liberated. (Though i fear that following States of Sodom and Gomorrah isn't the wisest decision)
I'd say it's more sexual appeal liberation, not actual sexuality, since outside of westernized cities, even they are somewhat reserved when it comes to sex, but not to sexual style (revealing clothing).

Doesn't help that most depictions of them don't show this, and just turn them into sluts/whores. (which to be fair, they style does sorta go with that, like outside of japan you'd think they're a hooker).

But the term is just fancy for saying over the top western style. (blonde hair, shit ton of make-up etc.) not really anything else. their sexual experience is irrelevant to being a gyaru or not.
Honestly, you touched my heart. Not only noticing the strings but revealing them.
I will also point out 2 things not related to media:
1) Women cheat more before ages 32-35 (stats)
Also it seems that this trends will only increase i.e. age of cheating women will increase
This is due to factors like: Media propaganda (pleasing consumers dark desires also due to oversaturation girls (who were not interested) will be unwillingly bombarded by those troupes).
Men in general start to lose testosterone (every new generation has less testosterone) so by that definition we are less prone to engage in risky behaviour (cheating is one of them) and desire for sex is decreased).
This all means, shits gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

2) Anecdotal personal life experience. Seen men cheat on women (mostly older generation i.e. grandparents generation, parents generation and inbetweeners) at that time it seemed it was more men or 50/50. In my generation this trend is heavily skewed towards women cheating. Never once had i heard my friends stating or bragging this while women in my surrounding's where nonchalantly saying how they cheated and why they cheated (Reasons were self-serving i.e. didn't want to move back to my parents house is one example(that's why she didn't want to break up with a guy normally))
In my anecdotal experience women mostly cheated because they already wanted to leave relationships but due to financial/status security didn't want to. They made all kinds of lies when found out. In most cases though they cheated for 6-8 months, fabricated breaking up (where her current boyfriend was made to look as evil guy) and left with the new guy (It's not rare that the new guy didn't know).
In my personal eco sphere - No man would support me cheating on my partner and would beat me up BUT at the same time heard how family members and friends (girls) covered cheating for each other.......
So the myth about being more frequent cheaters is just that a myth (in my experience). Women simply are better at covering tracks and finding out if men cheated due to their nature (human interaction oriented and better smell and color distinction).

While men can be dumbos who will not notice that she bought new lingerie but for some reason never used it with you but they were already washed multiple times..................
Interesting points.

incoming essay:

I actually didn't know about the stat for before 32-35, but it makes complete sense when you consider sexual market value. (i.e. the peak), which women hit the wall of around the age of 25-30. So they can't make the same choices as before because they're running out of time.

Although this is purely a perception thing, because the choice of riding the cock carousel as some call it, has it's consequences. Like not being taken seriously by any man that would be genuinely worth marrying, since no self-respecting man would want such a "woman" as the mother of his children.

And for anyone who tries to cope otherwise just ask yourself this: Would you want you daughter to have lived like that? would you want your son to marry a woman like that?

Don't answer, I know the true answer already, even if you deny it. (No you wouldn't want your daughter to ruin herself, and no you wouldn't want your son to destroy his life and be used like a fool, even if you don't acknowledge these truths it's engraved into your DNA and you feel it on a biological level, knowing this to be true. You can't fight thousands of years of human evolution).

Ahem, now back to replying to you Monn12.

There's also the fact of, for men, cheating isn't the same as it is for women. Women need to like the guy, and cheating isn't just purely a sexual act, but the act of falling for him, and having a series of meetups and dates (the cheating happens well before they even kiss let alone have sex).

Where as for men, they can't hate the girl, but if she's hot he'd fuck... plain and simple. The decrease in testosterone is more likely reducing the horny than it is the risk taking... although that is a factor as well.
It's why in some cultures the women don't care if the man has sex with other women if it's purely for his horny and nothing more. Only when it's a genuine attraction and feelings are they hurt or care.

E.g. Which do you think a wife/gf would hate more, the man fucking some random hot bitch when he was out at a party, or him spending time with a girl, who he feels he can talk to, and listens to him, and genuinely enjoys spending time with... and hasn't done anything sexual with her. Spoiler, most hate the latter more.
It's just that in the case of women, they need the latter in order for the former to even happen.

You also have the whole being the "receiver" issue as well. (parental uncertainty for men is a large reason why they hate it even more than women, from a biological standpoint, where as women don't have that concern, since it's their womb).


Now for more stats and data, there is another big difference between men and woman in that regard... when it comes to cheating, it's women in general, but for men... it's not. Only the top 5-15% of men have the option to cheat, now it isn't like it never happens in the lower bracket, but it's fkn rare.

It's because of this structure:

Bottom 85% of men > Women > Top 15% of men.

Btw 15% is being generous, it's much lower.

But suffice to say, the men women chase, have a shit ton of options, so they can take the risk and still be fine. (hell, in many cases it's not even cheating, they're just not being serious, and it's the salty women that thought they could tame him, that call it cheating, when he never gave them exclusivity to begin with, and was honest about it too).

This is also probably why you've seen it more in the older generation, where it was more balanced than it is now.

Hoeflation is real, you work 10 times harder than your grandpa for a woman that is 1000 times worse than your grandma. (I ain't using the nicer phrasing of 10 time worse, cause it's exponentially worse, not linearly).

I do disagree that most women cheat because of wanting to leave the relationship, it isn't that, it's they get this idea they could do better, and want to see other options, and then come back if they can't replace them. (usually put in their head by a hoe friend or brainwashing media... like all the popular "romance" films, the female mc is cheating.... like... all of them, not even joking, pretty sure 50 shades of grey had a more loyal female MC than the supposed "wholesome" "romance" films).

And yeah, women do be gaslighting the men they cheated on, throwing all accountability out the window, because western society has fostered that, removing accountability and consequences socially. So they get away with it, until they can't anymore (the wall is the biggest "O shit, you done fucked up bitch!").

Simps go "O but they deserve love too!" but reality is... no, they don't. They traded genuine love and commitment for whoring around for a decade... That's the fucking price. And despite society saying otherwise THEY FUCKING KNOW! they just ignore it, but don't be fooled, they know, we all know.

That's the con of living life on easy mode, you can make choices that permanently fuck you over. where as hard mode, the pro is, you can fuck up in almost every way, and still recover from it. Just that succeeding in the first place is hard, so only those who actually succeed even get to reap rewards, most never do.

To state the obvious, being a man = hard mode, being a woman = easy mode.

Note: this isn't saying that each don't have their challenges, what it means is that men have to earn everything, but women are born with almost everything, there's a few things they can earn, but not much. It's like the difference between a factory settings lambo, or a lambo with all the extras, it's still a lambo. (yes I compared women to cars... O nooooooooo, boohooo).

Where as a man is the "Construction kit", just that it takes your a decade of consistent hard word to actually get anywhere with it.

Just to add: some of the ways women can build themselves are the basics, health, fitness, building the ass XP, cooking (this isn't a cop-out... men do love a woman that can cook...), hygeine, and further developing any motherly traits. (notice that a lot of these women seek out in men as well... soooo those are tit for tat :p )

A simpler way to think about it, women come pre-built, men need to be built. the trade-off is, women can't be rebuilt once broken (being a whore), where as men can (bar some exceptional circumstances).
This is also one of the reasons why r*pe is viewed as such an extreme crime, because it is destroying their life.
Obviously not the same as a woman being a whore... but still massively destructive, especially mentally.
One chose to ruin their life, the other had it stolen from them, these are not the same.

O and just briefly, women do cheat more than men, it's a basic statistic thing. Simply because more women have the opportunity to cheat than men do. (refer back to the 85% men chasing women, and the women chasing 15%).
Most of male cheating, is done by a minority of men, while most of female cheating is more distributed.

Now I will say this, if all men had the option to... that'd be a completely different story. Since a lot of men don't cheat, simply because they don't have the option to. (which imo, they ain't loyal, since loyalty can be tested, not to say they should be put in such environments, that's different).


Also.... The only time a Man truly experiences unconditional love... is once... from his mother, part of being on "hard mode" and having to build yourself, is that you don't have the privilege of love unless you have done something. Not genuine love. Now it doesn't have to be something grand, it can be as simple as building a little life for yourself that a woman and a child or two could fit into... actually... given current economy is pretty grand these days...

But you don't get love as a man by just being you as an adult, you have to be doing something or going somewhere.



Now, to finish on a more positive note, I'll refrase the difference between men and women using a quote I like:

Maculinity is built, and femininity is preserved, women are born at the top of the mountain, and are measured by if they stay there, men are born in the valleys, and are measured by how far they climb the mountain.

I wrote way more than I intended... I could go through and shorten it, but I've spent too much time on this already.

Hope there was something of value gained there.

Just remember, humans are capable of great good and great evil. There is no hate towards men or women here, just stating the obvious, and that people should be accountable for their choices. (which is what pisses me off about captain save-a-hoes, they're trying to argue that they shouldn't bare the consequences of their actions... in which, let the captain save-a-hoe have em I say, they'll reap the disaster themselves, and maybe learn... or just be stuck paying alimony until they die).

Shit... I said ending on a positive note... uhhh... Men and Woman can come together in this beautiful thing where life is created between them, and have a loving and balanced family... but in the wes.... ahem, and it is a thing of sheer beauty and the pinnacle of human achievement. (and quite literally our reason for existence, both origin and purpose).

p.s. is the manga worth reading? like I haven't seen anyone mention if this gyaru is a hoe or not.... like a wholesome gyaru story would be great.
 
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I'd say it's more sexual appeal liberation, not actual sexuality, since outside of westernized cities, even they are somewhat reserved when it comes to sex, but not to sexual style (revealing clothing).

Doesn't help that most depictions of them don't show this, and just turn them into sluts/whores. (which to be fair, they style does sorta go with that, like outside of japan you'd think they're a hooker).

But the term is just fancy for saying over the top western style. (blonde hair, shit ton of make-up etc.) not really anything else. their sexual experience is irrelevant to being a gyaru or not.

Interesting points.

incoming essay:

I actually didn't know about the stat for before 32-35, but it makes complete sense when you consider sexual market value. (i.e. the peak), which women hit the wall of around the age of 25-30. So they can't make the same choices as before because they're running out of time.

Although this is purely a perception thing, because the choice of riding the cock carousel as some call it, has it's consequences. Like not being taken seriously by any man that would be genuinely worth marrying, since no self-respecting man would want such a "woman" as the mother of his children.

And for anyone who tries to cope otherwise just ask yourself this: Would you want you daughter to have lived like that? would you want your son to marry a woman like that?

Don't answer, I know the true answer already, even if you deny it. (No you wouldn't want your daughter to ruin herself, and no you wouldn't want your son to destroy his life and be used like a fool, even if you don't acknowledge these truths it's engraved into your DNA and you feel it on a biological level, knowing this to be true. You can't fight thousands of years of human evolution).

Ahem, now back to replying to you Monn12.

There's also the fact of, for men, cheating isn't the same as it is for women. Women need to like the guy, and cheating isn't just purely a sexual act, but the act of falling for him, and having a series of meetups and dates (the cheating happens well before they even kiss let alone have sex).

Where as for men, they can't hate the girl, but if she's hot he'd fuck... plain and simple. The decrease in testosterone is more likely reducing the horny than it is the risk taking... although that is a factor as well.
It's why in some cultures the women don't care if the man has sex with other women if it's purely for his horny and nothing more. Only when it's a genuine attraction and feelings are they hurt or care.

E.g. Which do you think a wife/gf would hate more, the man fucking some random hot bitch when he was out at a party, or him spending time with a girl, who he feels he can talk to, and listens to him, and genuinely enjoys spending time with... and hasn't done anything sexual with her. Spoiler, most hate the latter more.
It's just that in the case of women, they need the latter in order for the former to even happen.

You also have the whole being the "receiver" issue as well. (parental uncertainty for men is a large reason why they hate it even more than women, from a biological standpoint, where as women don't have that concern, since it's their womb).


Now for more stats and data, there is another big difference between men and woman in that regard... when it comes to cheating, it's women in general, but for men... it's not. Only the top 5-15% of men have the option to cheat, now it isn't like it never happens in the lower bracket, but it's fkn rare.

It's because of this structure:

Bottom 85% of men > Women > Top 15% of men.

Btw 15% is being generous, it's much lower.

But suffice to say, the men women chase, have a shit ton of options, so they can take the risk and still be fine. (hell, in many cases it's not even cheating, they're just not being serious, and it's the salty women that thought they could tame him, that call it cheating, when he never gave them exclusivity to begin with, and was honest about it too).

This is also probably why you've seen it more in the older generation, where it was more balanced than it is now.

Hoeflation is real, you work 10 times harder than your grandpa for a woman that is 1000 times worse than your grandma. (I ain't using the nicer phrasing of 10 time worse, cause it's exponentially worse, not linearly).

I do disagree that most women cheat because of wanting to leave the relationship, it isn't that, it's they get this idea they could do better, and want to see other options, and then come back if they can't replace them. (usually put in their head by a hoe friend or brainwashing media... like all the popular "romance" films, the female mc is cheating.... like... all of them, not even joking, pretty sure 50 shades of grey had a more loyal female MC than the supposed "wholesome" "romance" films).

And yeah, women do be gaslighting the men they cheated on, throwing all accountability out the window, because western society has fostered that, removing accountability and consequences socially. So they get away with it, until they can't anymore (the wall is the biggest "O shit, you done fucked up bitch!").

Simps go "O but they deserve love too!" but reality is... no, they don't. They traded genuine love and commitment for whoring around for a decade... That's the fucking price. And despite society saying otherwise THEY FUCKING KNOW! they just ignore it, but don't be fooled, they know, we all know.

That's the con of living life on easy mode, you can make choices that permanently fuck you over. where as hard mode, the pro is, you can fuck up in almost every way, and still recover from it. Just that succeeding in the first place is hard, so only those who actually succeed even get to reap rewards, most never do.

To state the obvious, being a man = hard mode, being a woman = easy mode.

Note: this isn't saying that each don't have their challenges, what it means is that men have to earn everything, but women are born with almost everything, there's a few things they can earn, but not much. It's like the difference between a factory settings lambo, or a lambo with all the extras, it's still a lambo. (yes I compared women to cars... O nooooooooo, boohooo).

Where as a man is the "Construction kit", just that it takes your a decade of consistent hard word to actually get anywhere with it.

Just to add: some of the ways women can build themselves are the basics, health, fitness, building the ass XP, cooking (this isn't a cop-out... men do love a woman that can cook...), hygeine, and further developing any motherly traits. (notice that a lot of these women seek out in men as well... soooo those are tit for tat :p )

A simpler way to think about it, women come pre-built, men need to be built. the trade-off is, women can't be rebuilt once broken (being a whore), where as men can (bar some exceptional circumstances).
This is also one of the reasons why r*pe is viewed as such an extreme crime, because it is destroying their life.
Obviously not the same as a woman being a whore... but still massively destructive, especially mentally.
One chose to ruin their life, the other had it stolen from them, these are not the same.

O and just briefly, women do cheat more than men, it's a basic statistic thing. Simply because more women have the opportunity to cheat than men do. (refer back to the 85% men chasing women, and the women chasing 15%).
Most of male cheating, is done by a minority of men, while most of female cheating is more distributed.

Now I will say this, if all men had the option to... that'd be a completely different story. Since a lot of men don't cheat, simply because they don't have the option to. (which imo, they ain't loyal, since loyalty can be tested, not to say they should be put in such environments, that's different).


Also.... The only time a Man truly experiences unconditional love... is once... from his mother, part of being on "hard mode" and having to build yourself, is that you don't have the privilege of love unless you have done something. Not genuine love. Now it doesn't have to be something grand, it can be as simple as building a little life for yourself that a woman and a child or two could fit into... actually... given current economy is pretty grand these days...

But you don't get love as a man by just being you as an adult, you have to be doing something or going somewhere.



Now, to finish on a more positive note, I'll refrase the difference between men and women using a quote I like:

Maculinity is built, and femininity is preserved, women are born at the top of the mountain, and are measured by if they stay there, men are born in the valleys, and are measured by how far they climb the mountain.

I wrote way more than I intended... I could go through and shorten it, but I've spent too much time on this already.

Hope there was something of value gained there.

Just remember, humans are capable of great good and great evil. There is no hate towards men or women here, just stating the obvious, and that people should be accountable for their choices. (which is what pisses me off about captain save-a-hoes, they're trying to argue that they shouldn't bare the consequences of their actions... in which, let the captain save-a-hoe have em I say, they'll reap the disaster themselves, and maybe learn... or just be stuck paying alimony until they die).

Shit... I said ending on a positive note... uhhh... Men and Woman can come together in this beautiful thing where life is created between them, and have a loving and balanced family... but in the wes.... ahem, and it is a thing of sheer beauty and the pinnacle of human achievement. (and quite literally our reason for existence, both origin and purpose).

p.s. is the manga worth reading? like I haven't seen anyone mention if this gyaru is a hoe or not.... like a wholesome gyaru story would be great.
Thank you! I love essays, now i understand you more. Though there is 1 sad point: Majority of what you told me in the essay i know and even stand behind you.

For some reason your statement is regarded as sexist (every time i state same things i get called that). Sexist, misogynist and etc. I for one consider it as realistic and objective view of reality that we live in. I like this quote "A woman's loyalty is tested when her man has nothing. A man's loyalty is tested when he has everything."
This quote is also backed up by your analogy of lambos and construction kits. Most of men are average, we must work, time is limited and so are the resources, in order to cheat we need time and resources (to date too).

If we have wealth we can create "magical" moments for women and have as many lovers as we can thus our loyalty is tested only when we attained them, before that there is a very small amount of men who are capable to seduce women, some creative thinkers with a lot of time can go without money but only if they have time. We must have at least one thing in order to seduce and sometimes even having both things won't help us, it once again depends on your skills that you cultivated.
For a women though her only objective is not to be seduced by the people who have time and resources (for comedic relief:Not to be seduced by your future self who has it all covered).

By the way, things will and are changing slightly, women start to earn more and dynamic changes sadly though our reptile brain still kicks in and even if women has resources she still seeks someone higher and might even disrespect current partner if she outearns him (same goes for men, some men grow very insecure when their women starts to earn more and they self-destruct the relationship).

As for this manga worth reading? Nope, first FMC is not a gal but just a popular girls i think maybe she is called a gal because she has blonde hair but she isn't stereotypical Gal-Gyaru. FMC to my understanding fell in love with a complete loser, like i really don't see any redeeming qualities he has. What does it mean? Most likelys something happened in the past while they were children (the usual bs narrative).
My opinion this manga is for school "losers" and hikikomoris, while i cannot say it bad per se but it's nothing special IF you are bored and have nothing to read it can pass, but there are other titles that are better currently with Gal-Gyaru.

P.S. Was amazed and happy to read something worthwhile, internet is place where i want to see people express themselves and their values due to having time and some sort anonymity, sadly though i see more cheap 1 sentence statements from people who think they are smart and important. Your "essay" covered and helped me understand you and what you stand more, which is great. Kudos to you!
 
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Thank you! I love essays, now i understand you more. Though there is 1 sad point: Majority of what you told me in the essay i know and even stand behind you.

For some reason your statement is regarded as sexist (every time i state same things i get called that). Sexist, misogynist and etc. I for one consider it as realistic and objective view of reality that we live in. I like this quote "A woman's loyalty is tested when her man has nothing. A man's loyalty is tested when he has everything."
This quote is also backed up by your analogy of lambos and construction kits. Most of men are average, we must work, time is limited and so are the resources, in order to cheat we need time and resources (to date too).

If we have wealth we can create "magical" moments for women and have as many lovers as we can thus our loyalty is tested only when we attained them, before that there is a very small amount of men who are capable to seduce women, some creative thinkers with a lot of time can go without money but only if they have time. We must have at least one thing in order to seduce and sometimes even having both things won't help us, it once again depends on your skills that you cultivated.
For a women though her only objective is not to be seduced by the people who have time and resources (for comedic relief:Not to be seduced by your future self who has it all covered).

By the way, things will and are changing slightly, women start to earn more and dynamic changes sadly though our reptile brain still kicks in and even if women has resources she still seeks someone higher and might even disrespect current partner if she outearns him (same goes for men, some men grow very insecure when their women starts to earn more and they self-destruct the relationship).

As for this manga worth reading? Nope, first FMC is not a gal but just a popular girls i think maybe she is called a gal because she has blonde hair but she isn't stereotypical Gal-Gyaru. FMC to my understanding fell in love with a complete loser, like i really don't see any redeeming qualities he has. What does it mean? Most likelys something happened in the past while they were children (the usual bs narrative).
My opinion this manga is for school "losers" and hikikomoris, while i cannot say it bad per se but it's nothing special IF you are bored and have nothing to read it can pass, but there are other titles that are better currently with Gal-Gyaru.

P.S. Was amazed and happy to read something worthwhile, internet is place where i want to see people express themselves and their values due to having time and some sort anonymity, sadly though i see more cheap 1 sentence statements from people who think they are smart and important. Your "essay" covered and helped me understand you and what you stand more, which is great. Kudos to you!
Indeed, I agree with mostly everything there. And glad you enjoyed the read. Here's some more:

100%, you get called sexist for stating the obvious... or at least what used to be considered obvious.

Only thing i would add, is that with a man having nothing, he can't be doing nothing. (intentionally wasting away), in which case it may be ideal that she leaves to her parents or his parents place (note: not saying she leaves him, but distances, no moving on, still loyal).

There is also the aspect of genuinely fostering a large family with more than one woman (not purely for the sake of sexual desire, but for parental desire, and fathering a generation so to speak).
Although this is only a privilege for the truly exceptional, and should only be done with women who accept it (i.e. not going behind their back and cheating, but being upfront and going "this is how it will be, stay or leave" kinda thing).

Bare that, Monogamy is the general rule. (reverse-harem always being a perversion because it can never be for the sake of family/love and is always purely for sexual gratification in a perverted manner, yet another difference between men and women, harem can actually be genuine and wholesome, albeit rare and only for those who truly have earned it).

I knew such a man, the irony is, it was his wife that pushed for it, not himself. (and was all women whose first and only times were with him as well... the lucky bastard XD )
Interestingly, while he is well off (nice house and can provide for his family), he's not filthy rich (no lambos or super cars and the like), not that he couldn't but he has his priorities set on being a father.


As for changing.... honestly imo, it's a case of "The more things change, the more they stay the same", we're just making a return to the way it's been most of the time with a small % of men getting most of the options, once things eventually stabilize (be it western society or the one that replaces it), it'll go back to more equal playing field of nuclear family and such.

The question is more how long that will take, and how destructive things will get before we get there. Like, for most of history, it was a much bigger disparity, that being said, women actually understood it to some degree. The new thing these days is the ignorance... or more accurately arrogance of it. (You think the king cared if the beautiful girl was a princess or the bakers daughter?)

That being said there's already a change of mentality, especially in younger men/boys that see all this play out. Now the girls/women are probably still just as ignorant and jumping on the easy money.
But as the older ones are hitting the wall, and crying their crocodile tears on the internet of how they can't find a good man after jumping from dick to dick for a decade, they (hopefully) will begin to notice and not follow suit.

Thus we will probably see a return to form, of age gaps of 5-15 years with the man being older.
I say return to form, because it used to be the norm of a man being in his late 20s early 30s when he would marry a young woman anywhere from 16-20 (depending on the time and period it could go as low as 14/15, but... for the sake of modern day norms lets ignore that, and stick to the 16/18 minimum, picking whichever is applicable to the laws of the area you live in).

Basically he'd have to be able to provide for a family before starting a family, and until that point the woman would be living with her family.
Given the rise of costs and such that will likely become a normal thing again too, no idea why it stopped being normal in western culture though, the boy leaving to become a man was always the thing, not the girl leaving to become a woman... she would be a woman just by learning to be mature, not by going out and getting a job, that's a masculine trait.
Reminds me of that Indian actress that was still living with her parents, on Letterman.

That being said, that's already a thing for sexually driven relationships, so it isn't much of a leap for genuine relationships to follow suit.
Especially with men ditching such lifestyles altogether to focus on working on themselves, not to be confused with migtow or blackpill though, but dudes who just go "nah fuck that, imma hit a PR", or would rather spend a night with friends rather than hitting the club and doing hard drugs... which honestly is overrated, the pure white powder do be nice tho, but I value the membrane in my nostrils soooo no thanks.
By the time these dudes are well built (physically and mentally) they're in their late 20s early 30s, and attracting younger women.
Because the ones that did the hoe phase are still chasing mr rich and famous who's hitting up another up and coming model on instagram (leo anyone?). It's honestly hilarious how they, to some extent, filter themselves out of the dating pool. (not that such men would be stupid enough to take them seriously to begin with though).

What amuses me, is THOSE people love to demonize age gaps with the man being older, but shill and praise the opposite... when the opposite is almost always "predatory" in the way they accuse the other of being "predatory". (i.e. what they accuse the older man younger woman of (often false) labeling it as "predatory" or using p*do... for an age gap... yeah... make that make sense, is almost always the case for older woman younger man... and older woman with a dried up womb ain't dating a younger man to start a family... ya feel?)


Now onto this manga, what do you mean not the stereotypical gal-gyaru? isn't died blonde hair, being popular, and makeup the stereotype? I'm confused.
Does MC have any redeeming qualities? I don't mind loser, as long as they're actually trying to improve themselves, loser that does nothing and stays a loser is what I dislike. (Almost as much a hoe LIs shoe-horned in by the author for MC to simp for).

Guess I should go back to reading the loner isekai (got an anime recently), dudes funny.
 
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Indeed, I agree with mostly everything there. And glad you enjoyed the read. Here's some more:

100%, you get called sexist for stating the obvious... or at least what used to be considered obvious.

Only thing i would add, is that with a man having nothing, he can't be doing nothing. (intentionally wasting away), in which case it may be ideal that she leaves to her parents or his parents place (note: not saying she leaves him, but distances, no moving on, still loyal).

There is also the aspect of genuinely fostering a large family with more than one woman (not purely for the sake of sexual desire, but for parental desire, and fathering a generation so to speak).
Although this is only a privilege for the truly exceptional, and should only be done with women who accept it (i.e. not going behind their back and cheating, but being upfront and going "this is how it will be, stay or leave" kinda thing).

Bare that, Monogamy is the general rule. (reverse-harem always being a perversion because it can never be for the sake of family/love and is always purely for sexual gratification in a perverted manner, yet another difference between men and women, harem can actually be genuine and wholesome, albeit rare and only for those who truly have earned it).

I knew such a man, the irony is, it was his wife that pushed for it, not himself. (and was all women whose first and only times were with him as well... the lucky bastard XD )
Interestingly, while he is well off (nice house and can provide for his family), he's not filthy rich (no lambos or super cars and the like), not that he couldn't but he has his priorities set on being a father.


As for changing.... honestly imo, it's a case of "The more things change, the more they stay the same", we're just making a return to the way it's been most of the time with a small % of men getting most of the options, once things eventually stabilize (be it western society or the one that replaces it), it'll go back to more equal playing field of nuclear family and such.

The question is more how long that will take, and how destructive things will get before we get there. Like, for most of history, it was a much bigger disparity, that being said, women actually understood it to some degree. The new thing these days is the ignorance... or more accurately arrogance of it. (You think the king cared if the beautiful girl was a princess or the bakers daughter?)

That being said there's already a change of mentality, especially in younger men/boys that see all this play out. Now the girls/women are probably still just as ignorant and jumping on the easy money.
But as the older ones are hitting the wall, and crying their crocodile tears on the internet of how they can't find a good man after jumping from dick to dick for a decade, they (hopefully) will begin to notice and not follow suit.

Thus we will probably see a return to form, of age gaps of 5-15 years with the man being older.
I say return to form, because it used to be the norm of a man being in his late 20s early 30s when he would marry a young woman anywhere from 16-20 (depending on the time and period it could go as low as 14/15, but... for the sake of modern day norms lets ignore that, and stick to the 16/18 minimum, picking whichever is applicable to the laws of the area you live in).

Basically he'd have to be able to provide for a family before starting a family, and until that point the woman would be living with her family.
Given the rise of costs and such that will likely become a normal thing again too, no idea why it stopped being normal in western culture though, the boy leaving to become a man was always the thing, not the girl leaving to become a woman... she would be a woman just by learning to be mature, not by going out and getting a job, that's a masculine trait.
Reminds me of that Indian actress that was still living with her parents, on Letterman.

That being said, that's already a thing for sexually driven relationships, so it isn't much of a leap for genuine relationships to follow suit.
Especially with men ditching such lifestyles altogether to focus on working on themselves, not to be confused with migtow or blackpill though, but dudes who just go "nah fuck that, imma hit a PR", or would rather spend a night with friends rather than hitting the club and doing hard drugs... which honestly is overrated, the pure white powder do be nice tho, but I value the membrane in my nostrils soooo no thanks.
By the time these dudes are well built (physically and mentally) they're in their late 20s early 30s, and attracting younger women.
Because the ones that did the hoe phase are still chasing mr rich and famous who's hitting up another up and coming model on instagram (leo anyone?). It's honestly hilarious how they, to some extent, filter themselves out of the dating pool. (not that such men would be stupid enough to take them seriously to begin with though).

What amuses me, is THOSE people love to demonize age gaps with the man being older, but shill and praise the opposite... when the opposite is almost always "predatory" in the way they accuse the other of being "predatory". (i.e. what they accuse the older man younger woman of (often false) labeling it as "predatory" or using p*do... for an age gap... yeah... make that make sense, is almost always the case for older woman younger man... and older woman with a dried up womb ain't dating a younger man to start a family... ya feel?)


Now onto this manga, what do you mean not the stereotypical gal-gyaru? isn't died blonde hair, being popular, and makeup the stereotype? I'm confused.
Does MC have any redeeming qualities? I don't mind loser, as long as they're actually trying to improve themselves, loser that does nothing and stays a loser is what I dislike. (Almost as much a hoe LIs shoe-horned in by the author for MC to simp for).

Guess I should go back to reading the loner isekai (got an anime recently), dudes funny.
The harem thing
On a fence with you here BUT more leaning to your statement. I think for most (or rather vast majority of) men, harems would be hellish (even if they have enough means). Harems are riddled with intrigue and drama and if you make a harem with current western woman, it will be 100% trouble.
On the other hand if you are sufficiently competent in required fields, have enough means AND desire this i think you can succeed.
Reverse harems, 100% agreed. Just a perversion, 100% chance of conflicts arising. Not sustainable long term.
In any case i'm on a fence simply because supply of men is bigger than supply of women (birth proportions) and there more men than women up until ages 40-45 (where men start to die due to their previous lifestyles i guess).
If harems are allowed and popularized it creates greater competition and instability. The worst enemy of the state are men who are to fulfilled, though to my knowledge many instruments are being implemented or are in use to quell the unrest.

The big ol' change
Yep, my firm believe that everything is cyclical. But due to our limited life-span, usually changes are for life.
So as an example 2010-2020 was dusk of nuclear family or more correct term stable family unit. Now we see all kinds of "experiments" (that were already conducted and failed) with harems/reverse harems and many other mutated structures. This is their dawn, it might not be mainstream but 5-15% is enough to cause a huge ripple effect in our lifes.

The biggest mystery for me is technology and our hormonal changes. One thing is to think life is cyclical but every cycle has new features and our current hormonal imbalance where male hormones are getting reduced (be it naturally due plastics and others or artificially), male pattern behavior also changes.
I can honestly say I am part of that change, i'm not willing to settle for family, i don't see any benefits and just see many potential problems where my boundaries and security are being challenged by those who have to help me secure them.

I ask myself can i find a conservative minded partner who will endure and will have priority of creating a strong family unit, who is willing to suppress their desires and wills to maintain something greater than our desires? I strongly believe it's hard due to popular notion (by media and even psychologists) that repressing your wants and wills is bad, my question then is, why was suppression and impulse control created in the first place? (A bit off topic sorry).

The Ignorance
I kind of agree about ignorance thing. But i would rather say, most women understand this. For them it's the question:
What can we do about this?
Most people do not understand the power we wield, like yeah you an individual probably cannot change the world, but family, friends and colleagues? Quite achievable, i despise cheating for example, i will condemn these people and preach about this and cut off those tumors if they appear in my "community". It's a struggle but not everyone is willing and not everyone believes that we can change anything.

Why should we change decline our good opportunities?
Let's be honest, those people who understand that they have the upperhand might say ignorant things to mask their "know" but when i conversed with some people who had upperhand they stated: Why the hell would i decline or discard something that gives me the boost? Isn't it stupid, our life is a race for the most part, if i have aces in my sleeve, why should i use them?
So the better question is will they change fast enough when paradigme will change? And my opinion they won't, people aged 25-30 and above are those who will continue with their paradigme.

The age gap
Ohh heard this a lot, men who date 18-22 girls are p%dos <-- Usually heard this mentally ill statement from US media sources. 18(16) - 28 are the most fertile ages after ages of 30 risks of birth defect start to rise. If we are talking about mental states (girl who is 18, just finished school) is indeed naive, but not in relationships for the most part but in life aspects.

I can even confidentially say an average girl aged 18 and up is far more dangerous and predatory compared to a boy who she dates and is aged the same or bit higher. Men in general are a bit worse with human interactions, social cues and other similarly related things. So an example girl aged 18 dates a nerdy guy aged 21 who works mostly with things (let's say engineer or a coder). This girl would manipulate the hell out of him.

Happened to me i was 16 and dated 21y old, damn that was one crazy ride, manipulations and visible difference in power dynamic. Dated a girl who was a bit younger than me (when i was still inexperienced), i wouldn't say she was manipulative but i had absolutely 0 power over her and projected 0 manipulations while she occasionally did.
So when feminist say men who date 18y olds are predatory, maybe but some cases are actually the opposite they finally became stable and found a 1st girlfriend and this girlfriend is just a puppet master.

But in defence of those people who say those men are predatory: I started to increase my age bracket for women i will date the older i got. I want someone who worked a normal job and is over the age of 21-22.
The biggest issue for me was that those younger ones were too childish in matters of life. They want branded items whilst providing NOTHING. Branded items could cost up to 1/4-1/3 of my salary and simply do not comprehend that not only is this a total waste of money it's also ruining your partners ability to have good time with you. So instead of having 2-3 good dates she wants a fucking bag.....
Essentially majority of youngers girls have 0 understanding of what family building is, a good wife is the one who secures the family funds. And try to deny those young girls, they will cheat or break up with you quite fast.
So in my opinion big age gaps are mostly annoying for the older partner. It's like having a stupid hyper active child who cannot be denied or scolded, because they they they are already "BIG".

The manga
Yep looked it up one more time, definitely Gal-Gyaru (paid attention to clothes and how she wore them)
As for the MC.....It's to early to say if he will improve but i doubt that, that Architype will change fast. Basically the girl strings him along, babysits him and etc. Very annoying to watch, he is social mess who has baggage from childhood. As for his good points? At the moment there aren't any if anything only the negatives.
Why can't they make a good story where those losers reading this not imagine that a model will fall from the sky and love them. But a more level headed approach where a loser meets same level or slightly above (socially) girl where they both take effort to find common ground OR better to show them examples what JAPANESE WOMEN WANT AND EXPECT FROM MEN.
These types of mangas provide 0 practicality only cheap entertainment and false hopes.

P.S. Losers in my understanding is just a defeatist mentality that is quite annoying to the opposite party. I met a girl one time who was a complete mess, she said she was ugly, stupid, bad and etc. (all kinds of self deprecations) when talking with her you felt that she was sucking out all the positive and good from you. My opinion, do not fucking self depreciate, i will be the judge of that do not force your "desired" traits on to me. And now everytime i see "MC's" like that i remember that girl and how fucking depressing she was and i simply understand, you are your own greatest enemy.
I had periods of loser mentality i.e. was a loser. But i've changed and improved without any "magical" girl from the sky, it required time and dedication.
 
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O, goes without saying, decent women with a decent man. Otherwise it's just insane and stupid. (Also haram for muslims :p ).
So I don't really consider any of those an actual issue, because if it is being done, by a man that would be worthy of one, he wouldn't be accepting such women into his harem in the first place. (i.e. dude would have self respect and standards, and so would the women btw).

Not much more to add to that tbh.


Actually, I'd say it started in the 80s/90s cause you already had shows and movies mocking it, but the massive shift happened in 2015, as they started actually pushing hard for all the nonsense. (political correctness and the like).

As for hormonal changes, I'd say it's more of a chicken and the egg situation, since your behavior impacts your hormones as much as your hormones impact your behavior. You can't change your hormones, but you can change your behavior (and beliefs, necessary if one has self-limiting beliefs).

I honestly wouldn't say you "won't settle for a family" just that you want to build a decent and good family, just that you are in an climate/environment where such a thing just isn't a possibility or practical (in which case, the first step is to go to where it is, I would normally say japan, but given the forced illegals being shovelled there by the UN, I'd suggest Poland instead, America is still okay if you live there, you just have to be in the right state, but that could easily change, especially if dems keep running it into the ground).

I actually completely disagree with this last part. Reason being, many are confused with desire and impulse control, these aren't the same, and if you control impulses and think, you actually discover genuine desire, and most of the negative impulses change. (not exactly how it works, but a simple enough way to put it).
Like biggest green flag in a woman, is a stable and respectful relationship with her father. (and he mother also being a decent woman).
With such a woman, you don't need to tell them to "ignore their desires", because, given how biology works, a woman's genuine desire, is to have a beautiful family, just that most are being distracted by the temporary hedonism and sacrificing long term fulfillment for it. (and buying cats instead).
Suppressing genuine wants, and desires, is to a degree bad... but that's where people get lost... since most don't know them. And to be fair, most psychologists and the media lie about it, and misuse the science/psychology.
You have to actually dig deep and get to know yourself to know what those would even be. And it isn't about "finding" yourself... sit in a room, in the dark, or sit at a camp fire, just be alone, no distraction, for a good hour or two, for a month, and you'll know yourself by the end of it.
Then sit down, and actually have some internal monologue for what you actually want out of life. I guarantee you, if teenagers did this properly, and genuinely understood the consequences of their choices... clubs would be empty. (or at least would be a very different and more respectable environment, as strange as that may sound).

I used to study psychology... until I did the exact thing I just mentioned and realised, I don't want to fucking do the job at the end... student debt YAY!

But to finish off... the fun, and funny in a sad way, thing is... genuine want... genuine desire... is something you choose, something you build towards that gives you fulfillment and meaning. That makes life worth living. And that will never be impulse choices, or multiple partners... hell for women it would be no more than one. (especially given how their biology works, it's multiplicative for every partner, in all the worst ways, pair bonding gets worse, and degerate desires multiply... we have an anonymous survey from the 60s/70s to show that. TLDNR: Female desires/fetishes are shaped from their male partner, but it doesn't reset for each partner, it adds/multiplies, and not in a positive direction).

Like, it isn't wrong to say that a woman gets shaped by her man, so the decision making aspect is on the kind of man she wants to follow, and let lead.
The saying "Men Lead and women follow." exists for a reason... it isn't being sexist, it's just what either is good at. Men go out into the world (usually shitty tbh), and then bring back what was actually good/half decent, leaving all the shit out there, and protecting them from it.
Granted we live in better times, so the form of shit, is not so much physical danger, or lack of food these days.
(there's a reason behind every massively successful onlyfans chick, there's usually a dude managing it XD trash leading and following tho)

But back to your point of conservative woman, marriage is a union, as it is biblically "one flesh", it is "her desires" or "my desires" it's "our desires" cause part of it is becoming one and having the same desires. Now that isn't to say you don't have individuality or different hobbies, but when it comes to big things, you want the same.
If you didn't then you shouldn't be getting together to begin with.

That being said, watch behavior, not what they say, they don't want to have a good loving family if their going clubbing/partying. Quiet girl that wants to just sit at home and read, shows behavior wanting to have a family more than the party hoe ever could, and would actually deserve it too.
And this goes for the friends they surround themselves with as well. (no "male friends" either... that's just keeping options open).
But when a woman genuinely loves a man, she follows him, and adopts his outlook. (again, since you have morons who don't understand this, that doesn't mean she doesn't have a sense of self, or her own independant thoughts, she just depends on him, because that's how it works, woman depend on men, from father to husband, the end. basic human psychology 101 folks).
She also would... um... to put it simply, she'd help him hide the body's XD (as JWaller put it, "Dark Love").
Contrary to what your average shitty author and media would have you believe, no this does not mean she'd "Cheat to help/save him"... that's just bullshit, with genuine love, the woman would rather bite her tongue and die, then be touched by another man (or woman tbh).

Damn... that was long.


"you an individual probably cannot change the world" meanwhile, in 1940s, man with a funny mustache who failed art school... heh.

yeah, is why I also said "arrogance" tbh, I shouldn't have said ignorance at all, since deep down, everyone knows, it's in the biology.

As for the opportunity thing, they choose to waste them, instead of use them. Using them, would be finding a decent man and investing in and supporting him... not whoring around.
To use money for the example, $10,000 can be used to both have a short but great time, or invested in having a better life long term. (given what happens with lottery winnings, we can easily know what most people choose).

One requires effort though... there enlies the problem, most don't want to put in effort anymore.
I saw a good YT short today, "It's easier than it has every been to become successful, but it's also easier than ever to do nothing." (I think it was Alex Hormozi, that or Chris Williamson).
And most people, were never taught to properly thing, or choose not to, since it is a skill, one that can be lost if unused (as any skill is).
And our brains like to be energy efficient, so they like to do nothing, hence why we need compelling reasons to do things. (Like creating a prime environment for a loving family, this one is used by both men and women).


The fun one. "If we are talking about mental states (girl who is 18, just finished school) is indeed naive." I actually completely disagree, inexperienced? yes, Naive? Immature? that's a choice. And lets be honest... most still are haive when they're in their 30s... prime example "I can still find a good man and have a family, I got time." (meanwhile hitting the wall harder than mike tyson punches)
All those problems you mentioned... have little to do with age, everything to do with upbringing. And most western women, in general are like that. No matter the age. (until you get to the age bracket that was before the brainwashing, but even then some still are like that)

To explain the psychology of it, while brain development still goes on, you become almost entirely self aware at the age of 7 (hence the jews have a saying "give me a boy until the age of 7, and i will return to you a man"), and most of your beliefs and values are already engrained.
So you become essentially fully capable of thinking clearly, being smart wise, mature etc. It's why you can meet children, who are more mature than adults, because mentally... they are.
And this is important, because it prepares them for puberty where they get absolutely HAMMERED by hormones. So most if not all vital brain development to cognitive abilities, is done by puberty, yes there a bit more, but the argument of "O they're brain hasn't fully developed!" is a bullshit one from the age of about 13/14.
The concerns should be, on the fact, they're still in puberty XD (or at least most are, some do finish early, but that's besides the point)
Not to mention if you look at finishing develpoment (Specifically mental)... that goes on into mid to late 20s... So is a moot point. And to my knowledge, it's men that tend to completely finish later, easy example is beards... you see dudes who have barely any facial hair, suddenly have full beards out of no where at 25-27, I was lucky and was 23/24 :p (before then it was some cringey shit).

Main point is, maturity, wise decision making, etc. everything they mean by "they still developing" is a skill... learnable form the age of 7.
I.e. it's a skill issue, not a development one (once the main part of puberty is over, since the hormones to make it harder)
They don't be lacking critical thinking skills because they haven't grown enough, they lack it because they never learned. (or forgot)
Most women get away with all of that... because they don't need to grow up to survive and thrive, well their False depiction of thriving... men do.


Huh... shame, cheers for the info, will ignore it then. Only two things woman are attracted two: successful men, and men/boys with who you can observe the potential within them. i.e. they're usually already trying to do something.

Should've taken notes from "Please don't bully me nagatoro" where it's a girl that sees potential in MC and tries to bring it out of them, and he actually does improve himself and become a better version of himself. (Although... different methodology XP )

Sad that series is over... wanted some epilogue type content of 5-10 years later. Quite wholesome though (if you can get past the first few chapters :S since it's from his perspective to some extent, it seems worse than it is, as he begins to understand it, the tone shifts and it's more light and playful than meanspirited, kinda a neat artist way to show MC learning and understanding without stating it).


To bring back up that loner one i mentioned, MC's a loner, but is constantly improving himself and learning. (literally leveling up his skills, but because he has "loser" abilities, it makers him seem weaker, when he's actually OP, because he's so well rounded instead of just only good at one specific role, and the way he can use skills in combination make them stronger)

I think it's called "Loner in another world" quite an enjoyable read, he's a bit silly, but redeemable. (He just wants a nice simple life, to himself... and in doing so, he ends up with everyone around him XD )

Onto your last comment... yeah, energy matters, what most hate are people who SAP energy, not necessarily negative, but they suck your energy by being around them.
Like with that example, if she was instead just, glum, or sad, but would at least try to seem okay or semi-postive despite that, would she be as repuslive?
Probably not, but instead she sounds like she was seeking validation from others by talking herself down, but in doing so she was bring down the overall mood, and just making you feel gross.
Like self-depriciation works if it's a joke, or not serious, e.g. "Yeah I'm a fat fuck, Chocolate just tastes too good man." Isn't something that you'd take too negatively, still kinda sad, but if said with a positive tone you'd just laugh or be amused and move on.


I think that about wraps it up.. time to throw it in a spoiler :S

p.s. there was actually too much text without changing your quoted comment to "snip" that it was throwing up an error XD
 
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Yeah agreed, nothing to add or substract.

Good point about the 90's, i didn't quite pay attention until everyone started to speak in truly hostile language.

As for hormones, actions and attitude are strong factors i do agree. For example it was documented that men that win in something have increased testosterone whilst those who lose have it decreased (funnily enough a snowball effect, quite unjust but hey nature doesn't give a flying f about just and unjust thinking).
Our testosterone decrease is a multi layered problem. They work in sync with our mind and actions, mind is strong but hormones give a strong boost to succeed or even give us motivation. I can act manly all i want, the bottom line i would not have any desire towards women and even encounter ED. Which will increase my stress and further decrease in testosterone.
With our mind and body we can overstep our hormonal hiccup (a major pro of conscious mind of humans) but without hormonal support actions that would succeed would have severely decreased chance of success.

The last part was probably confeyed incorrectly. What i meant to say there are impulses and lowly desires. For example i want a pizza today (impulse) or i want this women (impulse that grew to desire if it doesn't disappear).

Basically if i understand correctly we think about the same thing here but in different words and word meaning.

So for example impulse - a momentary "want" that sieges us everyday, what is a virtue? If you can discern and destroy/suppress impulses that will not benefit you long-term and those that will. I want pizza, i order pizza (BAD). I want pizza, I say no, go make dinner or eat an apple (GOOD). After eating an apple this impulse was destroyed by a cheaper and healthier alternative.

Desire - An impulse that is being cultivated for a longer time. Some desires might beneficial, some are not. Desires for majority of times are unconscious impulses that grew up as desires and start bothering you if not fulfilled.

Dreams - A more sophisticated form of desire. Usually followed by a more conscious "want", while desire unconscious, dreams are born from conscious thoughts.

In ideal your desires are governed by your dreams. Bad impulses are easily destroyed by better alternatives or you manage to suppress them (eventually suppression leads to desire) and manage to suppress desires.
What i see now? General populous is being slaves to their impulses and desires born from impulses (not that majority is but trend is going downwards and all institutions only give green lights. FYI Is majority were downright bad or stupid i think world would end, just increase in few percent can influence a lot).

As a simple example: I'm a nicotine addict. I have both impulse to smoke and desire. Impulse is usually when for no apparent reason i want to smoke then desire kicks in (usually when physical need arises, starting to feel uncomfortable). Ideally my dream is to quit smoking but my desires and dreams have a desync. My desire to quit smoking is derived from my dream to quit smoking and that motivation is weak i.e. after long thoughts i understood that my desire to quit smoking are mostly external(money and social taboo) not internal(health). Don't ask me why i don't think about health, i simply know it doesn't move me much.
Logically speaking i understand that quitting is better but at the same time i studied and understood what NICOTINE does, i replaced cigarettes for e-ciggs and then went for snus. Are there risks, yes! Are there benefits, yes! It isn't popular opinion but out of all vices digital world and cigarettes are mine, and they make me content with life(two of many). BUT if i met a good partner and her demand would be for me to cut out on nicotine and digital time, i would have enough resolve to do so, because it would be just enough to tip the scales. Would i suppress those desires then? Yes i would and i would try to find alternatives to convert those desires to work for my dreams.
Are many people nowadays are orientated like that? To my knowledge many aren't, some girls in my life wanted to dress as easy women, i was against it, we cannot find common ground since my wishes and desires are irrelevant for them, we break up(that was just one of many stereotypical examples). Whenever my partner provided me some demands (logical and sound) i would comply if i saw them as beneficial to us and me.

A woman that you described in last parts are what majority of us seek. The sad fact is vast majority are doing so unconsciously, when the love they follow and even adopt your hobbies and interests BUT when they fall out of love (sometimes routine and boredom are the catalyst) they immediately stop doing this. What majority of us must seek a woman who despite her "feelings" of love has a concrete understanding of her mind and body. Ohh i fell out of love, ok, i will find ways to mend that (a lot of times requires work from both of us) and then if everything fails i will break up OR (if strong enough) maintain relationship solely based on conscious understanding of partnership(done this once, i fell out of love but i knew she was good, and continued to maintain same levels of respect and tried to make romantic moments but eventually she fell out of it and we decided to split, she didn't notice that i didn't love her, only when she told me I decided to tell her that, it's okay since both of us are already without any feelings for each other. For me it was simply logical to maintain relationship with her, she was good, stable and i saw potential of creating a legacy with this women i could even say that "love" was inferior to the respect i had for her).

(P.S. Yeah that was a long one, sorry there.)

Completely agreed.
Funny how with more words and more understanding each others definition we come to agree. Usually due to our ignorance we arrogantly assume that a person means something else. That's why i like essays, with more words and questions we found out that we have the same view about this but we just used different words.

Like in a statement above. I was wrong in using that word. What i meant is what you mean. Experience and understanding. Some people due to living in the bubble for the majority of their lives do not understand the "common world". So those 18y that i met were so far out of reality for me that i decided to simply cut off anyone younger than 21-22, simply because there are too much for met to handle, i don't want to be the who lectures them that eating at the restaurants isn't the norm and that buying this coat is impractical due it costing almost the same amount as living for 2 weeks (food and bills) while work as a store employee at best.

The notion about 7 years, completely agreed and read that in psychology books about development. Some children are more mature than some adults in their 30's.(Usually geniuses or heavily abused children)
As for women(and many men), for reasons i don't want to state here, they were over spoiled and over shielded by their parents. Boys aren't taught any practical skills or morals and girls aren't thought about accountability and consequences. Just a small stupid example: Children are given allowance (just for breathing), they did something horrible and now they are not given allowance for 2 weeks <-- This there breeds lazy behaviour. Child did something horrible instead restricting them, heavily scolding them or even taking the belt they are given a light slap on the wrist and even in family dynamic girls are usually given lighter sentences......Ironic isn't it.

Agreed on self deprecation points. I tried to quit smoking gained 10-15 kilos (quite visible). My friends noticed it, of course they started to laugh. My options: A) Act like a victim, blame them, blame everyone B) Intimidate him (yes, there "friends" like that) C) Own it and use it to create even better atmosphere. I have chosen the C, proclaimed I'm the buddha and demanded them to pat my belly for good luck and fortune. Result: Everyone had a good laugh, never mentioned it again, unless i initiated the joke.
As for the manga, as it seems she will indeed support him to become better BUT let's say if she didn't he would be classical case of hikikomori or "basement dweller". With her actions she forces him to come out of his comfort zone and that peas sized brain does some inch like steps towards improvement but because he is being led by her.

P.S. Good idea about spoilers, easier to read and isn't so annoying to someone who isn't interested.
 

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