Boku dake ga Shitterun daze - Ch. 20 - Oura-san's drama

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What an awful thing to put a child through.
While the workload and pacing are up for debate, you hafta remember that she chose to do this job. She genuinely enjoys what she does, she just hates missing out on having a "normal life" in the process.

Meanwhile this chapter further reinforces my opinion that the mother is oblivious rather than malicious. She spends too much time in manager mode compared to just being a mother, and that leaves Oura thinking her mom doesn't actually care about her.

But not only has the mother not confronted Oura about Waku, nor done anything to try and cut contact between them, she pretty obviously knows which "friend" Oura is going to invite. Let's reiterate: she knows that her celebrity idol daughter is going to be alone and unsupervised with a boy her age. Many regular mothers would be entirely reasonable in vetoing that. But she still says nothing and does nothing to interfere (so far).

I think the mom is taking a "wait and see" approach to see just what kind of relationship Oura and Waku have and how serious Oura (at least) is about it before deciding what- if anything- to do.
 
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While the workload and pacing are up for debate, you hafta remember that she chose to do this job.
This is a very dangerous line of thought.
A child's choices are based on the expectations of the adults around them. Legally, a child can't consent. Fundamentally, a child cannot understand the consequences of fame, how it is a path that can't be undone.
The reality is that you don't see child celebrity as immoral, so you apply agency to them when you wouldn't in other cases.
 
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This is a very dangerous line of thought.
A child's choices are based on the expectations of the adults around them. Legally, a child can't consent. Fundamentally, a child cannot understand the consequences of fame, how it is a path that can't be undone.
The reality is that you don't see child celebrity as immoral, so you apply agency to them when you wouldn't in other cases.
We literally see Oura say several times that she does this job as a passion and that she enjoys what she does.

Her mother was completely blindsided when Oura decided to sign on for the drama, assuming- and accepting- that she wasn't interested in TV roles. She even double-checked with Oura to make sure she was sure and actually wanted to take the role.

You are right that a child cannot truly understand the consequences of fame. You are right that in several cases a child cannot provide informed consent- hence needing a parent or guardian to provide approval. The whole series is literally about how Oura's life is impacted by her "sister's" career and how often it prevents her from enjoying the experiences of being a normal teenage girl. Heck, the series kicked off because she transferred after someone either figured out the truth or she accidentally spilled the beans.

But that does not change the fact that Oura is not forced to be an idol. Within the narrative of this fictional work, she chose the profession and wants to continue her career. You say it's a "very dangerous line of thought" to believe any child has any true capacity for choice when it comes to entering the world of entertainment. But it is equally if not more dangerous to dismiss a child's autonomy outright. Because then you are imposing your values and opinions on the child in question while dismissing any objections or disagreements on the child's part as ignorance born from immaturity.

At which point you are, however well-intentioned a sentiment you may have, engaging in the very same awful behavior you called out by trying to force a child to cater to and live in line with your expectations.
 
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We literally see Oura say several times that she does this job as a passion and that she enjoys what she does.

Her mother was completely blindsided when Oura decided to sign on for the drama, assuming- and accepting- that she wasn't interested in TV roles. She even double-checked with Oura to make sure she was sure and actually wanted to take the role.

You are right that a child cannot truly understand the consequences of fame. You are right that in several cases a child cannot provide informed consent- hence needing a parent or guardian to provide approval. The whole series is literally about how Oura's life is impacted by her "sister's" career and how often it prevents her from enjoying the experiences of being a normal teenage girl. Heck, the series kicked off because she transferred after someone either figured out the truth or she accidentally spilled the beans.

But that does not change the fact that Oura is not forced to be an idol. Within the narrative of this fictional work, she chose the profession and wants to continue her career. You say it's a "very dangerous line of thought" to believe any child has any true capacity for choice when it comes to entering the world of entertainment. But it is equally if not more dangerous to dismiss a child's autonomy outright. Because then you are imposing your values and opinions on the child in question while dismissing any objections or disagreements on the child's part as ignorance born from immaturity.

At which point you are, however well-intentioned a sentiment you may have, engaging in the very same awful behavior you called out by trying to force a child to cater to and live in line with your expectations.
I vehemently disagree, the case is that there's financial incentive for the adults around her to have her continue to stay within this industry, and children's passions are usually aligned with what provides them security and acceptance from the adults around them, we impart values to our children, that's how humans work. The fact that now she is finding self-worth in "ganbatte" good intentions, which are themselves a goad to continue this stressful activity, but isn't an indication of agency or choice either, it's merely an extension of the fact that she defines herself by these implanted expectations.

The fact is that society has a blind spot for this form of exploitation because it's beneath a veneer of the glamour of celebrity. If this is allowed then why not manual labour? Don't the children yearn for the mines? Well, give them their autonomy.
 
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lol it's not even unexpectedly, the mom already overheard that her daughter is going to watch it with a friend. The mom might be waiting in ambush for the MC to tell him not get in the way of the FMC's success and cause a scandal.
Cheap drama plot like that is to be expected i guess, like bokuyaba have something like that too where Anna is expected to have Kiss scene with male actor in one of her drama but author didn't really Dive into that and just shrug the problem
 
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lol it's not even unexpectedly, the mom already overheard that her daughter is going to watch it with a friend. The mom might be waiting in ambush for the MC to tell him not get in the way of the FMC's success and cause a scandal.
It can either go two ways i feel, either the way you describe or the mom recognizing that Waku is one of Oura's pillars and telling him to support her no matter what.

I do hope its the latter one
 
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MOOOOOM PLEASE DON'T SPILL THIS UUUUP
I feel 80% immense dread for whatever Japanese Showbiz Mother will do and 20% adoration for how sweet Waku is.
Mom found her asleep on a video call with a boy and didn't lose her shit or even mention it, even said Waku was cute. So I think Mom is going to be a 'normal adult but ally' until we see otherwise.
 
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I vehemently disagree, the case is that there's financial incentive for the adults around her to have her continue to stay within this industry, and children's passions are usually aligned with what provides them security and acceptance from the adults around them, we impart values to our children, that's how humans work. The fact that now she is finding self-worth in "ganbatte" good intentions, which are themselves a goad to continue this stressful activity, but isn't an indication of agency or choice either, it's merely an extension of the fact that she defines herself by these implanted expectations.

The fact is that society has a blind spot for this form of exploitation because it's beneath a veneer of the glamour of celebrity. If this is allowed then why not manual labour? Don't the children yearn for the mines? Well, give them their autonomy.
I won't claim your points are invalid when it comes to child exploitation in the entertainment industry, but there is a reason I specifically mentioned this being a work of fiction. Whatever the reality of a child's capacity for consent and autonomy with regards to entering any kind of professional field, the fact is that in this story we have been repeatedly told- both by word and visual- that Oura is genuinely passionate about her work. The primary conflict is not that she's being taken advantage of, nor that she is being forced to take part in the business. It isn't that kind of story.

This is a story about a boy and a girl, where their relationship helps the girl balance her work and personal life while the boy learns to be more confident and assertive out of a desire to help her. The conflict is the struggle for the girl to balance the two sides of her life, made worse by a mother who doesn't realize she's been spending too much time acting as a manager and not enough time acting as a mother. It is not a dark critique of the entertainment industry; that's Oshi no Ko. It's a fluffy romcom with sprinkles of drama.

Beyond that and the debates of child autonomy, said mother has never been shown to be financially motivated. She's always been shown prioritizing her daughter's career and success, but never concerned with the money. By all indications she's an unintentional stage mom; doing her best to ensure her daughter succeeds in her career, without realizing that she's been emotionally neglecting her daughter.

And on that note, there's something else we both forgot. Despite the cutesy art style and awkward fluffy interactions, these are high schoolers. More than that, they are at the very least in their second years. That means they're both 16-17 years old. Old enough that their autonomy is no longer a question; in most countries they're old enough to drive, and in some they're old enough to get married. Not quite adults, no, but certainly not young children incapable of making informed decisions on their own.
 
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I won't claim your points are invalid when it comes to child exploitation in the entertainment industry, but there is a reason I specifically mentioned this being a work of fiction. Whatever the reality of a child's capacity for consent and autonomy with regards to entering any kind of professional field, the fact is that in this story we have been repeatedly told- both by word and visual- that Oura is genuinely passionate about her work. The primary conflict is not that she's being taken advantage of, nor that she is being forced to take part in the business. It isn't that kind of story.

This is a story about a boy and a girl, where their relationship helps the girl balance her work and personal life while the boy learns to be more confident and assertive out of a desire to help her. The conflict is the struggle for the girl to balance the two sides of her life, made worse by a mother who doesn't realize she's been spending too much time acting as a manager and not enough time acting as a mother. It is not a dark critique of the entertainment industry; that's Oshi no Ko. It's a fluffy romcom with sprinkles of drama.

Beyond that and the debates of child autonomy, said mother has never been shown to be financially motivated. She's always been shown prioritizing her daughter's career and success, but never concerned with the money. By all indications she's an unintentional stage mom; doing her best to ensure her daughter succeeds in her career, without realizing that she's been emotionally neglecting her daughter.

And on that note, there's something else we both forgot. Despite the cutesy art style and awkward fluffy interactions, these are high schoolers. More than that, they are at the very least in their second years. That means they're both 16-17 years old. Old enough that their autonomy is no longer a question; in most countries they're old enough to drive, and in some they're old enough to get married. Not quite adults, no, but certainly not young children incapable of making informed decisions on their own.
This fiction is impacted by the cultural context the author lives within, this is why authorial intent isn't the only thing that drives an analysis of fiction. You seem to be confused here, thinking I'm criticizing the work as a whole rather than talking about this context. I like this manga, I'm perfectly capable of separating fiction and reality, it's just interesting to look at things more deeply. Relax.

It's not simply the mother that is financially motivated in terms of her personal gain, there's a sense of responsibility to all the people who exist as supporting and cooperative elements of the celebrity engine, this is a stressor that even adult celebrities deal with. A child shouldn't be responsible for other people's livelihoods.

They might be positioned as high schoolers in the narrative, but they don't act like them, which matches the art style and tone, and her career certainly started well before high school. Oura's inability to express herself in the beginning of the manga was the scar tissue of that.
 
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I love that Waku isn't a perfect character. He is shy, and until recently hardly interacted with anyone. At the first sign of trouble, he gets nervous and looks like he might have a panic attack. But because he knows Minori’s situation, he realizes the enormous stress she has to endure in her Akarin persona. And despite his nervousness, he doesn't hesitate to do whatever he can to help Minori feel more comfortable and at ease. He puts her well-being before his own comfort because he knows that, as Akarin, she’ll have few moments of peace. :glee::hearts::hearts::hearts:
Thank you for the translation!
 
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This is such a sugary sweet romcom. It's so sweet that I'm actually completely and utterly dreading the inevitable drama. I can only hope the mother is understanding and realizes that Waku is having a positive effect on Oura.

Since she didn't fly off the handle and go insane when she saw him asleep on their call a few chapters before and when they met late in the evening, I'm hopeful she's an understanding person.
I get the feeling she's playing it cool so that Akari doesn't outright rebel and she intends to try and convince Waku to stay away with some appeal to how deranged Japanese idol culture is
 

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