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...Yeah unless she's done one of those wierdo martial arts like Iron Shirt or Systema i don't see how she could walk up from a full force counter. And this is me after seeing a guy heel hook a ref on instinct.

While it may be true that during combat your fine motor drops by 50-80%, the low road pathway is taken(ie. not much thinking) and striking power drops to 60-70%.

That's a FULL COUNTER to the TEMPLE.

She's moving into that.

Her brain is marinated chicken.

As for the RNC?

Imma be real, he can power out that easy.

I've grappled with MMA pros to BJJ guys, they have insane power in the strangest positions. And ground game to begin with is a inherently different method to standup. A rookie MMA guy can make anyone not immersed versed in grappling look foolish, even though they have 'sloppy grappling' as they themself say.
 
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Yeah as someone who trains regularly and recently heard/watched someone try to rob the guy who owns the gym I train at, this mentality of “combat sports don’t work in real fighting” shit never fails to sound like 90s Mcdojo bs. Don’t even get me started on this weird ass assumption that fighters don’t fuckin have their own knives and guns IN THIS DAY AND AGE!!!!🤦🏾‍♂️
'the guy' you just mentioned is a BJJ black belt, who is NUMBER 1 BABY. He's internationally ranked in the single digits. That alone makes him 1% of 1%.

'That guy' is the pinnacle, or at the very least, damned close to it.

Do you genuinely believe that the average person has anywhere near that level of skill?

Do you genuinely believe he'd look that spotless if the guy had a knife? I do, i believe he'd look spotless. Do you?

Guess what.

You are using success at the highest level to determine results at the below average level, because that';s where most people fall at. They train two days a week and forget about it between meals. Do you not see the error in logic here?

I have literally listed events where TOP athletes failed. I can list more, I can list guys i once trained with now dead, articles on them now, I can list more people in the USA earlier this year. I can link demos where someone got a marker and went ham. i can link the self defense championship, as laughable of an event as i found that to be, where top level athletes did a thing. Not too well at that.

This is the reality.

It takes a different mindset to be ready to cripple someone at a moment's notice. Do you not realize that the pinnacle usually have that? Mikey musumechi sent a guy away with lifelong injuries in a match. Do you think he did that by accident? He is ready and willing to cripple someone for inconveniencing him.

This is self defense.

This is a trait that must be developed in order for good self defense.

Low level MMA does not give you this. Amateur MMA does not give you this. Pro Boxing, Pro Karate, does not give you this, I can guarantee that.

Combatives, real combatives. Are the only things that self hypnotise you into entering that mindset. Most tma are combatives and have some form of self hypnosis, but good luck finding a teacher who knows them.

As for knives and guns...brother...

know what... sure...

I'm speechless.

Who's gonna have more readiness to knife someone, a desperate criminal with the knife in their pocket, or someone who stored the knife in their backpack?
Guns? Just give the man your wallet if there's no obvious threat to your life. Does your coach really say to 'Shoot him back, knife him back'

I don't think so.

This whole reply has mainly been aimed at anyone who isn't you. Because, fundamentally, individuals will seek to confirm their own biases. I don't expect to change your mind with this. The last paragraph, is for you. An unfriendly piece of completely unsolicited advice.

You speak of hypotheticals, you speak of another man's achievements like you come even close to his greatness. Don't. Never inflate your ego with the skill of someone else, that's a very, very dangerous game to play. Don't become another article online trying to stop a barfight or fighting back a guy with a knife.
 
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I’m a woman who wrestled through high school, weight trained, and ran track. You’re full of shit. Skill Will only take you so far. you can’t over come physics and biology without enhancements.
If that's your experience, I can only claim otherwise. I've given my own experience, and explained its roots to the best of my current abilities. I can only hope you eventually come to a similar conclusion, but there is nothin' more i can say. Nice talkin' with ya ma'm.
 
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Ngl this shit might actually become one of the best martial arts manga ever if the author doesn't fuck it up.


My rating at the current moment:

Storyline: 7.5/10 overall storyline is good so far

Execution: 8/10 good execution of the storyline that is entertaining while the characters still maintain good depth and stuff(cus sometimes introducing new characters make the existing characters less interesting and stuff)

Other stuff: 8/10 smaller details are done pretty well for example character development, how realistic it is, etc.

Overall: 8.5/10 everything combined it is between my 8 and 9

Side note: check my status for explanations on what I mean by between 8 and 9 for overall as I have a breakdown of what each rating(mainly for overall) means
 
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I’m a woman who wrestled through high school, weight trained, and ran track. You’re full of shit. Skill Will only take you so far. you can’t over come physics and biology without enhancements.
That's only true to a certain extent. Theocratically skill can take you way past your physical limit. If your skill level is like a talented fully trained normal human then yes, skill can only take you so far. If your skill level reaches the level of what gods would probably be able to do then you COULD theocratically finesse atoms at a atomic level to do whatever the fuck you want them to do. But realistically you would only be able to AT MOST do things like those anime no sword techniques where they can use their hands to cut as well as a full length sword as even that would take a normal person a(or maybe even a few) thousand years to reach that skill level. Sure physical strength does limit you but skill can take you past what strength can reach. But realistically the best and probably most efficient way to get stronger is to simultaneously train both while focusing slightly more on physical strength. So in conclusion you are only half right in the sense that skill WILL be able to take you far and overcome physics and biology but just not in a normal humans lifetime.
 
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That's only true to a certain extent. Theocratically skill can take you way past your physical limit. If your skill level is like a talented fully trained normal human then yes, skill can only take you so far. If your skill level reaches the level of what gods would probably be able to do then you COULD theocratically finesse atoms at a atomic level to do whatever the fuck you want them to do. But realistically you would only be able to AT MOST do things like those anime no sword techniques where they can use their hands to cut as well as a full length sword as even that would take a normal person a(or maybe even a few) thousand years to reach that skill level. Sure physical strength does limit you but skill can take you past what strength can reach. But realistically the best and probably most efficient way to get stronger is to simultaneously train both while focusing slightly more on physical strength. So in conclusion you are only half right in the sense that skill WILL be able to take you far and overcome physics and biology but just not in a normal humans lifetime.
oH god. Is this what i sound like?

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Do you genuinely believe that the average person has anywhere near that level of skill?
Do you genuinely believe that you need to be a top black belt to man handle the average person stupid enough to operate on “don’t make me see red” logic? Do you genuinely believe that every instance of a martial artist winning its because their in the top 1 percent???
Or maybe it’s the fact that the average crook has next to no idea wtf their doing?
I have literally listed events where TOP athletes failed. I can list more, I can list guys i once trained with now dead, articles on them now, I can list more people in the USA earlier this year.
Yes and I can list just as many idiots who’ve gotten themselves shot, stabbed, jumped, knocked out, hospitalized or immediately arrested for being stupid enough to try the wrong person. And again, ITS 2025 almost every single fighter carries a weapon now. Why? Well cuz the average person doesn’t take too kindly to assault or robbery.
It takes a different mindset to be ready to cripple someone at a moment's notice.
no it doesn’t. It’s called basic self preservation. You don’t need the insanity of a manga character to have that kill someone in self defense. It’s so common a response that they made it a fuckin law.
Who's gonna have more readiness to knife someone, a desperate criminal with the knife in their pocket, or someone who stored the knife in their backpack?
The fact you think the average person carries a self defense tool in their backpack and not their back pocket in this day and age is cartoonishly laughable. We live in a world where conceal and carry is legal in parts of the world. Where the fuck have you been?
Does your coach really say to 'Shoot him back, knife him back'
buddy I live in America. Almost everyone with common sense(or trigger happy tendencies)is either strapped or travel in packs at night. You really seem to have this foolish mentality that the average person doesn’t understand the fact that the crime rate is far from zero.
You speak of hypotheticals, you speak of another man's achievements like you come even close to his greatness.
No, I speak of the fact that the average person who goes into the world with the mentality that this chick carries is more likely going to be shot on the spot, arrested, sent to the hospital, or to a psych ward after taking out at most a couple of people stupid enough to approach a walking red flag. Not come out on top. Enjoy your dumbass Mcdojo Delusions. I’m done listening to another one of you idiots rant
 
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Dunno but I meant what I said. It is THEORATICALLY possible. Just not going to happen in basically everyone's lifetime.
oh no, we share the same opinion.

I was more referring to the word choice.

I had a moderately difficult time parsing your reply. Thus, I was wondering if people had a similar issue parsing mine.

Turns out it was a false fear. It's not that the words are not understandable, ti's that what we speak of sounds ludicrous to anyone who hasn't had significant experience with violence
 
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Do you genuinely believe that you need to be a top black belt to man handle the average person stupid enough to operate on “don’t make me see red” logic? Do you genuinely believe that every instance of a martial artist winning its because their in the top 1 percent???
Or maybe it’s the fact that the average crook has next to no idea wtf their doing?
I've already mentioned the fact that those who survive have the coincidence of being professional, also the coincidence of being very high level. You don't seem to be heeding this, and I stand corrected. You will deflect, demean, and do just about anything to detract from my very valid point that MMA is not a street safe martial art.

So, as I have proven that point, I'll move on.
You ever been jumped?
Its an incredibly common method of robbery in most places I've lived.
It's also an incredibly common method of crime in the whole world.
You are MMA man yes?
Go grab three random people, hell, make one of them a woman with a bat, have then run at you.
Wear a mask, put on gears, post it up.
I want to see how well you do.

Yes and I can list just as many idiots who’ve gotten themselves shot, stabbed, jumped, knocked out, hospitalized or immediately arrested for being stupid enough to try the wrong person. And again, ITS 2025 almost every single fighter carries a weapon now. Why? Well cuz the average person doesn’t take too kindly to assault or robbery.
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no it doesn’t. It’s called basic self preservation. You don’t need the insanity of a manga character to have that kill someone in self defense. It’s so common a response that they made it a fuckin law.
This is so out of touch, I won't even comment on it. I hope your life continues to be as peaceful as it currently is and that you remain safe for a long time.


The fact you think the average person carries a self defense tool in their backpack and not their back pocket in this day and age is cartoonishly laughable. We live in a world where conceal and carry is legal in parts of the world. Where the fuck have you been?
'Parts of the world'
is where I've been.
Where getting a gun is the privilege of the criminal, and to have one is abundantly illegal unless you are very, very rich.

Even when I toured US for a while, not many had guns. More often than not you'd get an attempted shanking. Few fools has guns. Fewer victims had guns.

I'm guessing you have a concealed carry gun and license, yes?

buddy I live in America. Almost everyone with common sense(or trigger happy tendencies)is either strapped or travel in packs at night. You really seem to have this foolish mentality that the average person doesn’t understand the fact that the crime rate is far from zero.
You claim to have common sense, yet you hold and almost reverent adherence to your own training while demeaning and insulting all aspects of others based, not on your experience, but on generalizations. Common sense says don't speak on something you don't know for a fact.
You do not speak from experience, you speak from a podium of privilege.

No, I speak of the fact that the average person who goes into the world with the mentality that this chick carries is more likely going to be shot on the spot, arrested, sent to the hospital, or to a psych ward after taking out at most a couple of people stupid enough to approach a walking red flag. Not come out on top. Enjoy your dumbass Mcdojo Delusions. I’m done listening to another one of you idiots rant
...you really don't have experience, do you? Its pitiful, honestly. The real world is crazier than you think. You think individuals cornering you with knives or bats adhere to your 'common sense'? If 'common sense' was common, we'd have a drop in both crime and victims. If common sense was common we'd have less drink spikings, less DV, less nights spent slowly extracting a lightbulb from someone's colon, and less to no deaths from some idiot mixing monster and viagra.

In that way, Stories are more inclined to be more grounded than reality, because stories have to make sense.

You have no concept of what you speak of. No real experience. And it shows, because you have no nuance. You speak of others' experiences and your own opinion as if it is gospel. You speak with clear condescension. That tells me what i need to know, tells everyone all they need to know, really.

You are the equivalent of some 150lb 6ft tall bloke on his couch looking at a UFC match and saying 'Why don't they just hit the jaw, they're hitting everywhere but the jaw man, I could do that', blissfully unaware of the mental constraints, context and stress innoculation required to even function in such an environment, much less thrive in it.

I don't rant, never have, never needed to. I educate. Those with the humility to empty their cup will learn. Those caught up in their own preconceptions will scorn, because what i speak of is different than the delusion in their head. They will have a most visceral response, because i am indirectly attacking their sense of safety, and that is needed for a calm mind in day to day life.

Good luck, I hope you remain as you are.
 
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...Wow you aren't even pretending to research
Like, i expected some level of laziness from useless virtue signalers and mma fanboy, but goddamn
Never-mind the fact that i listed out MMA guys, real talents, who attempted to be hero and died or got crippled for it. Or as you said 'tasted gravel' yes?
Almost seems like statistically, sport fighting does poorly against armed assailants or multiple assailants. You will not research this. You will not acknowledge this paragraph.
Hey you can only blame yourself for making a spelling mistake in his name. After watching your video I have to say I don't get this fixation on "honor" or not. I also learned Shaolin Kung-fu while competing in Sanda, but my master also made a living as a bodyguard and a bouncer for luxury establishments, and taught us the same principles. Our disagreement is in efficiency: if you have no way to regularly train those eye gouges and throat pokes in sparring, I doubt they'll be much use in a fight. I also find this way of living in fear, to the point of not leaving the house without a weapon. Other than that I kinda see your point, even regarding your dojo crush being able to beat men.
 
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Is this AI slop ? Googling this "Chen Heago" fellow returns absolutely nothing, and it reads like the juvenile idiocy self-defense coaches like to peddle. The only valid point you raised was "you fall to the level of your training", but it is exactly the reason why all those "super secret murder techniques" idiots end up tasting gravel. If you don't have a way of reliably and safely training your techniques, you're role playing.
I apologize for demeaning your attempt to research earlier. I do wish you' clicked the videos tab, but I overreacted and should have simply instructed as much. Sorry for the harsh tone.🙏
 
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Hey you can only blame yourself for making a spelling mistake in his name. After watching your video I have to say I don't get this fixation on "honor" or not. I also learned Shaolin Kung-fu while competing in Sanda, but my master also made a living as a bodyguard and a bouncer for luxury establishments, and taught us the same principles. Our disagreement is in efficiency: if you have no way to regularly train those eye gouges and throat pokes in sparring, I doubt they'll be much use in a fight. I also find this way of living in fear, to the point of not leaving the house without a weapon. Other than that I kinda see your point, even regarding your dojo crush being able to beat men.
EEEEEEEEEEEUUUGHHH Stop

Pls.

No
Never,

Ever heard no stick cock in crazy? Nyooooooooooooooope

Plus, she is like sister. In capoiera the Club/circle is like family if you stick with it. And/or actually take them up on the group trips.

Impressive teacher you had. How did he approach the harsher aspects of combat? You seem to be very familiar with the stress-fear-related method?

But as for 'honor'? me neither. I met some 'masters' who disliked cross training on the basis of lineage and purity. Unsurprisingly, they had few students with gangue/were real in fighting. Great athletes, most times, but rather poor in terms of stress testing.

As for the eye gouging? Not needed, trust. It's less of a 'gouge' and more of a 'smear'. You just palm the face and rake anything that sticks. Try it on a Bob dummy, doesn't hurt your hands and is relatively simple to just throw out once you practice for a few weeks.

I know one teach who could 'gouge', but he preferred tearing skin and twisting stuff to the gouge. Still did it though, made a guy literally pass out from the pain of a thumb ground up into and behind his eyelid during a guard job.

I think you underestimate the "sport" martial artists' conviction. I've had a friend lose the national jiujitsu finals because even as he had his opponent in an Ashi-gatame, his opponent let him break his knee and bend his leg forwards to get a rear naked choke and win.
The monsters will remain monsters. 👐
I'd recon that guy would do well in whatever art he tried.
Some guys come from sports and they already 'there' so to speak.
Conditioning is almost never a bad thing
 
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It takes a different mindset to be ready to cripple someone at a moment's notice. Do you not realize that the pinnacle usually have that? Mikey musumechi sent a guy away with lifelong injuries in a match. Do you think he did that by accident? He is ready and willing to cripple someone for inconveniencing him.
This is self defense.
This is a trait that must be developed in order for good self defense.
Low level MMA does not give you this. Amateur MMA does not give you this. Pro Boxing, Pro Karate, does not give you this, I can guarantee that.
Combatives, real combatives. Are the only things that self hypnotise you into entering that mindset. Most tma are combatives and have some form of self hypnosis, but good luck finding a teacher who knows them.
I think you underestimate the "sport" martial artists' conviction. I've had a friend lose the national jiujitsu finals because even as he had his opponent in an Ashi-gatame, his opponent let him break his knee and bend his leg forwards to get a rear naked choke and win.
Who's gonna have more readiness to knife someone, a desperate criminal with the knife in their pocket, or someone who stored the knife in their backpack?
Guns? Just give the man your wallet if there's no obvious threat to your life. Does your coach really say to 'Shoot him back, knife him back'
I agree. To be honest I think this whole "the world is a hostile jungle" spiel the self-defense crowd peddles is not a good way to live. We've had an Olympic hopeful at my club throw his life away because two drunk roughnecks tried to mug him. Their knives didn't help them, and one died from getting Seoi-Nage'd right into the curb. Defusing the situation or even giving them some cash would've been better.
You are using success at the highest level to determine results at the below average level, because that';s where most people fall at. They train two days a week and forget about it between meals. Do you not see the error in logic here?
You speak of hypotheticals, you speak of another man's achievements like you come even close to his greatness. Don't. Never inflate your ego with the skill of someone else, that's a very, very dangerous game to play.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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EEEEEEEEEEEUUUGHHH Stop
Pls.
No
Never,
Ever heard no stick cock in crazy? Nyooooooooooooooope
Plus, she is like sister. In capoiera the Club is like family if you stick with it. And/or actually take them up on the group trips.
Too bad I can't meet her, she sounds like an absolute riot.
But as for 'honor'? me neither. I met some 'masters' who disliked cross training on the basis of lineage and purity. Unsurprisingly, they had few students with gangue/were real in fighting. Great athletes, most times, but rather poor in terms of stress testing.
I agree but I like those people. In this age of MMA and "efficiency first", I find this dedication to only one martial art quite romantic.
As for the eye gouging? Not needed, trust. It's less of a 'gouge' and more of a 'smear'. You just palm the face and rake anything that sticks. Try it on a Bob dummy, doesn't hurt your hands and is relatively simple to just throw out once you practice for a few weeks.
I know one teach who could 'gouge', but he preferred tearing skin and twisting stuff to the gouge. Still did it though, made a guy literally pass out from the pain of a thumb ground up into and behind his eyelid during a guard job.
Oh okay then, so it's a more hardcore version of our own little tricks: covering the opponents nose and mouth, hooking our fingers in the nose, etc. Seems more realistic than movie eye pokes. All in all I think I misjudged you, we kinda agree on several points. It's just that your way of writing is very "dramatic" so it's easy to read your messages as some crazy "secret murder technique" stuff.
 
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Too bad I can't meet her, she sounds like an absolute riot.
'Riot'. understatement of the century.

Direct quote from when I buttered her up enough to teach me her the Meia lua De compasso:

"You have a pole in your hands going into the ground, and fling off the poles, but the body is water, and the leg is lead. You swing like so"
Swing
swing

"Get it?"

She kicked me when i did not, in fact, get it


Direct quotes from me mid shower:
"GET OOOOOOOOOOOOOUT"
"OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUT"
"aAAaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA HEEEEEL-"

Good ole' Brazilian complete lack of shame


Direct quote from a time she tried dating within my country:
"COME BACK HERE SO AH CAH FUCK YEEW HARD-random angry Portuguese" + rapid pursuit

Her idea of flirting was to show him that she could beat his ass. There was nothing in this woman's life but train, violence and mental math, and it showed.

That man was my friend

He did not, in fact, come back.


I agree but I like those people. In this age of MMA and "efficiency first", I find this dedication to only one martial art quite romantic.
I'll conceded that.
'Romantic'
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:oops:
Oh boy.

Oh okay then, so it's a more hardcore version of our own little tricks: covering the opponents nose and mouth, hooking our fingers in the nose, etc. Seems more realistic than movie eye pokes. All in all I think I misjudged you, we kinda agree on several points.
Yeppers. Make them feel that unique pain as easily and quickly as possible.
That's some good tricks though. Sounds more sophisticated.
You had a cool teacher.

It's just that your way of writing is very "dramatic" so it's easy to read your messages as some crazy "secret murder technique" stuff.
I am the flair
 
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