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Man, the crossiant was really something. Almost turned me into a marketable public data file, A shudder still runs down my body just thinking about how close was I to being a product of capitalism.
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I'd wager that it's because Ethereal's already the site punching bag, might as well let her be the one making the poorly received announcements and avoid tanking the reputation of the other mods.
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Hmm.
Having EN make the post is a curious choice. There are a few ways to read that - upper management stands behind her, or she's being made to read the statement and be the face of this as penance, or neither of those and it's just business as usual. Not sure which way to interpret this, though I doubt it matters much from a practical standpoint. I have made the point that I believe the kneejerk reaction of 'she's calling the userbase pedos!' is logically inaccurate, but I also agree it was an... unfortunate... choice of words and shouldn't have occurred to begin with. (For any staff from the site reading this, I was serious about needing userbase PR - you should really look into this.)
.054% of titles have been affected in this. I do expect there will be further titles with at least some chapters removed, but this isn't really approaching 'catastrophic' in any practical sense. The overwhelming majority of content continues to be available.
If they are going to be tracking removals going back to the May 25 purge, this does provide some ability for people to account for the removals, which is both beneficial and somewhat overdue. It may not be the most practical way, but it's better than nothing. (Even at 7K affected titles in that, that's something like 6.4% based on the roughly 110K total, and though there are some affected titles that are going to be hard or impossible to find elsewhere, it's certainly not nearly as severe as many people made it out to be at the time.)
I do hope the non-chapter-associated corners of the forums continue to have some distance from the mainsite regardless of how the future updates incorporate comments - given the unpleasantness of this past week dealing with literal forum tourists in that thread (and them spilling over to here and elsewhere), I feel no shame in a certain amount of gatekeeping of our little community. Particularly as a number of those folks came here soley because of social media latching onto and hyperbolizing the story, then insisted they were the community and tried to gatekeep/bully both the site and some of us who were disinclined to agree with their mob mentality. (Also, some of those people are dumb as hell and really should not be allowed to operate computers unsupervised.)
On the other side of the coin, I am a bit puzzled at the idea that MD is somehow going to be profitable for its investor(s). I don't think the current model of 'check this box, nudge nudge wink wink' is going to pay off long term, since I expect very few legal publishers have interest in commingling their official releases with scanlations. But aside from licenses and revenue sharing from paid subs, I don't see how the site can turn a profit (or even break even) in something that largely resembles its current form. It seems I'm pretty clearly in the minority when it comes to people's willingness to send money to support a site where almost any content is under perpetual threat of removal if the rightsholders decide to act. I still take the 'not becoming CR' claim at face value, but I don't see a path to turn MD into a self-sufficient entity financially, which is a paradox - I have a hard time believe the investor(s) paid for an asset that they believed had no path to profitability.
I will say that my thinking on this entire situation has been predicated on the idea that it's better to have some content on a site that is stable and functional than to have all content on a site that has to change addresses every six months - with the latter situation, someone critical inevitably eventually gets tired (or arrested/sued into oblivion) and the whole thing disappears, as has been demonstrated already a number of times. It's a cousin of Pascal's wager, I suppose, hinging on my own personal benefit (enjoyment) being the deciding factor - some certain enjoyment vs. the potential of no enjoyment.
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Steal the fan translations and buy the rights of the titles. You have the most time consuming work already done and you are legit so you can advertise your website to make money out of it.
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Term 7.3 would suggest this isn't an option, from my reading of it.
While translations of a work are covered under the original work's copyright that exists at creation (and hence the original work creator is the one who can grant permission for a translation), there is generally a secondary copyright that the translators hold for that particular translation on top of the original work's copyright. Not a lawyer, but this seems like a sticky legal area to try and wade into.
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Hmm, doesn't match the numbers I get for titles with accessible chapters. Maybe the one I use doesn't include manhwa or manhua? Hard to say. Bart may know better since they're who I got it from.
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I wonder if Term 20.2 can be construed as a way to simply delete any other term at any moment. Like how game EULAs often say "We can change this any time we want to in any way we please, making it worthless to protect you, actually. Sucks to suck"
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Well I can't read. But that does make it easier to just yoink any user protections from the ToS
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First time seeing -140 reaction score.
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With 14 messages too, -10 per message as of this moment
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I also decided to look at the previous content and now I'm surprised that noone thought about telling her to drop her very aggressive writing tone before it resulted in her causing a total PR disaster by her writing something that can be read as a pedo accusation
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Who even hires aggressive people to a position where they have to make public statements, though?
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Give me a drink, bartender.
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Does that change the idea that Term 1.3 can be used to nuke Term 7.3 and grant Mangadex full ownership of uploaded Contributions? The fact that every ToS has such a clause only means that customer protection laws are wack.
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