Comick is Dead

[deleted-user-7d07f52915]

Its very suspicious that Asura and other shady manhwa scanlators like Utoon are still up, and even still “scanning” new Kakao manhwas.
Did they make a deal? Are they just fake scanlation groups to build up hype before official scanlations?

 

[Bireus]

Things like this doesn't make me want to give the manga/manwha industry more of my money.
Add in more titles being digital-only that you are only renting until they pull the plug and older titles that aren't hosted by any legal sites, it makes me want to walk away from a 30 year hobby.

Don't give them money. But also recall (not saying you don't) but we also do not have a right to indulge in freely when it's asking for a profit. Unpopular opinion, I know, but entertainment is not a necessity, even though a society needs artistic people in general, regardless of domain.


Equivalent exchange for goods and all that jazz

 

[Madologist]

Its very suspicious that Asura and other shady manhwa scanlators like Utoon are still up, and even still “scanning” new Kakao manhwas.
Did they make a deal? Are they just fake scanlation groups to build up hype before official scanlations?

Or located and operated by people in countries that don't give a damn.

I bet your ass if your only citizenship was Sealand and that's where you had your servers, what would they do?
Place ain't even a country.

Though, good luck living anywhere decent, for that matter.

 

[Bireus]

Kakao is the absolute fucking worst. Do these companies think that this will mean an automatic increase in sales if they shutdown these sites? I read manga that are old as shit that would never get brought over and I also read manga that have a far better translation than most "official" ones. It's not worth the money.

It does work on the general audience. Netflix after advertising sharing passwords to kill the competition, recently cracked down on sharing passwords. Their sales skyrocketed. Google is now requiring to know who makes all apps for their play store. Google is now restricting family sharing based on IP. Amazon is restricting their prime sharing.

It works. It worked in the past, it's working now and will work when we all pass

Its very suspicious that Asura and other shady manhwa scanlators like Utoon are still up, and even still “scanning” new Kakao manhwas.
Did they make a deal? Are they just fake scanlation groups to build up hype before official scanlations?

Can be many things. Better at hiding presence? Continuously domain changes? Struck a deal? Who knows.

 

[Madologist]

Can be many things. Better at hiding presence? Continuously domain changes? Struck a deal? Who knows.

Quality so low not worth the effort.

 

[Madologist]

It does work on the general audience. Netflix after advertising sharing passwords to kill the competition, recently cracked down on sharing passwords. Their sales skyrocketed. Google is now requiring to know who makes all apps for their play store. Google is now restricting family sharing based on IP. Amazon is restricting their prime sharing.

It works. It worked in the past, it's working now and will work when we all pass

We all thought lootboxes and microtransactions won't be a thing...

 

[Angry_Panda]

Or located and operated by people in countries that don't give a damn.

I bet your ass if your only citizenship was Sealand and that's where you had your servers, what would they do?
Place ain't even a country.

Though, good luck living anywhere decent, for that matter.

Remember, though, that most people are getting to your site by typing in 'screw-kakao-free-manhwa.tld' or whatever, so even if the server is in your bomb shelter and direct wired into an internet backbone, there's still the option of taking down that registry entry if you can convince whatever country has jurisdiction over the registrar to do that. Comparatively few users are going to be interested in navigating to your site via an IP address.

 

[Madologist]

Remember, though, that most people are getting to your site by typing in 'screw-kakao-free-manhwa.tld' or whatever, so even if the server is in your bomb shelter and direct wired into an internet backbone, there's still the option of taking down that registry entry if you can convince whatever country has jurisdiction over the registrar to do that. Comparatively few users are going to be interested in navigating to your site via an IP address.

Ain't that why the quality manhwa sites change their domains atleast once a year.

 

[Bireus]

Quality so low not worth the effort.

Sounds like a business making microtransactions, just illegally

 

[rh75]

Don't give them money. But also recall (not saying you don't) but we also do not have a right to indulge in freely when it's asking for a profit. Unpopular opinion, I know, but entertainment is not a necessity, even though a society needs artistic people in general, regardless of domain.


Equivalent exchange for goods and all that jazz

Yeah, I know I have no right to read for free.
It's just things are actually worse since I started collecting.

They treat people like me who want to give money for a product like a dog.
Jump through this hoop, run through the tunnel, up and down the ramps, slalom around the poles and cross the finish line.

Good boy, you now get this fake treat.

The last I checked if I wanted to pay for DRM manga copies, I would need to go to 6-8 websites that might not have everything they claim to have.

So actions like this don't make me want to go to their websites and pay stupid amounts for coins that buy partial chapters.
It makes me want to give them the bird and walk away, which I have done with other hobbies when companies got stupid.

 

[Bireus]

So actions like this don't make me want to go to their websites and pay stupid amounts for coins that buy partial chapters.
It makes me want to give them the bird and walk away, which I have done with other hobbies when companies got stupid.

Which is what we gotta keep doing. I do the same thing.

 

[CoolOtamegane]

A Wise Man Said
"Piracy Keeps the Industry Afloat"
.
This is why some Indie Artist, Indie Mangaka, Indie Game they let Piracy promote their works....
But when up to "Business Corporate" they are greedy

 

[dmy96]

A Wise Man Said
"Piracy Keeps the Industry Afloat"
.
This is why some Indie Artist, Indie Mangaka, Indie Game they let Piracy promote their works....

Silksong in the nutshell, a lot people feel bad if they pirate the game

 

[Tony_Mushah]

Spoiler: Comick "CEO" answer

 

[deleted-user-7d07f52915]

Spoiler: Comick "CEO" answer

It’s kinda sad everything is a hustle nowadays.

 

[Angry_Panda]

Spoiler: Comick "CEO" answer

Pardon me for not buying the 'naive and innocent' act. Or don't - I'm an old guy and being a skeptical asshole is kind of my thing. Whatever.

I can believe dude built a site to see if he could do it better, and I can believe that once it took off he just ran with it and got tunnel vision. I don't believe he didn't know that the lawyers would come - that's been happening for 25 years at this point (since Napster landed in court facing Metallica) - or that he really thought he wasn't doing anything bad. Maybe not morally bad, but nobody who's been visiting manga sites for long should be ignorant of which side of the law they occupy.

"I am just an honest, straightforward man without a wife yet" - no sympathy for you, idiot.

 

[Sahkuh]

Pardon me for not buying the 'naive and innocent' act. Or don't - I'm an old guy and being a skeptical asshole is kind of my thing. Whatever.

I can believe dude built a site to see if he could do it better, and I can believe that once it took off he just ran with it and got tunnel vision. I don't believe he didn't know that the lawyers would come - that's been happening for 25 years at this point (since Napster landed in court facing Metallica) - or that he really thought he wasn't doing anything bad. Maybe not morally bad, but nobody who's been visiting manga sites for long should be ignorant of which side of the law they occupy.

"I am just an honest, straightforward man without a wife yet" - no sympathy for you, idiot.

There are people who despite making some great things are still absolutely clueless. I mean, just look at some of the replies at the DMCA thread where people seriously suggest that the people behind Mangadex should have just taken it on the chin for the sake of principles.

So he's not naive and innocent. He's an idiot.

 

[Manko-sensei]

There are many places you need to put real information because there's a verification process and faking it can get you automatically sued, but other than that someone capable of building a website and managing it entirely by themselves must know what privacy is and how it works. Feigning ignorance is essentially what everyone does in court when they can't use other excuses, and using one provider or another is done after some degree of research. Essentially, this is not a person without studies or with a low degree of studies who may ignore complicated things, they can't claim something like "I didn't know I was doing piracy!" or "I simply wanted to go legit!" as if a licence overrides years of breaking laws. This passes as an act of self-defence probably encouraged by someone who gave them free "legal advice" as requested, but at the end of the day Comick allowed any kind of uploads to the site, not merely "scanlators I wanted to help".
There's no point in demonising them because they weren't smart enough, and since nothing is eternal everything can disappear at any moment. The only point that irks me is using scanlators as a shield when their aim was turning the site legally profitable using incompatible means.

 

[Drakun_Auger]

The only point that irks me is using scanlators as a shield when their aim was turning the site legally profitable using incompatible means.

When you're aspiring to become another corpo, especially in the likeness of a generally hated on (crunchyroll), and thinking no-one would raise a fuss about is some absolute gonk-shit.

 

[BestBoy]

I have to admit I'm having a bit of schadenfreude about all the groups that ran scared from MD to Comick and about some of the things Comick said about dealing with DMCAs.