Convenient Semi-Friend - Ch. 19

[Manchura]

You can talk with your main account, there's no need to create a fake one for these occasions. If you do that I don't mind giving an extensive explanation, but basically you're negating reality. Nowadays in many countries a good number of elementary school teenagers have their first sexual relationship before being 12th, and even when I was that age in middle school (up to 15th) it was already common that students had regular sex relationships with either others of their age or older. Is there an age when you become an expert and mature from night to day? If they are bimbos of whatever gender in their twenties bad experiences are more acceptable? How are they going to understand things without experience? So far you've only showed a prejudice.

I love when the sex pests come out of the rotten wooodwork to go "it's not a 18 year old having sex with a 12 year old that screwed them up, it's the fact they didn't love them when they did!"

bet you look at real kids thinking the same thing while your imagination thinks of what vile acts you will do to them given the chance

 

[T-sama]

I love when the sex pests come out of the rotten wooodwork to go "it's not a 18 year old having sex with a 12 year old that screwed them up, it's the fact they didn't love them when they did!"

bet you look at real kids thinking the same thing while your imagination thinks of what vile acts you will do to them given the chance

Sure didn't take long for someone to start making personal attacks, funny how the ones who accuse others of pedophilia are always the ones imagining sexual situations involving children.

And on the topic of lgbt since this is a yuri manga, it reminds me of how many conservative activists who says gays or anime fans are pedophiles always end up in jail for pedophilia.

Every accusation is an confession as they say.

https://imgur.com/a/d7fSxl5

 

[T-sama]

I love when the sex pests come out of the rotten wooodwork to go "it's not a 18 year old having sex with a 12 year old that screwed them up, it's the fact they didn't love them when they did!"

Good job at utterly failing at reading comprehension, the manga itself outright says and shows that the reason Ruka is traumatized is not for having sex with Rin, but because she realized she was only being used and Rin never saw her as someone special.

But I guess facts are secondary when it comes to moral outrage.

 

[Manchura]

Sure didn't take long for someone to start making personal attacks, funny how the ones who accuse others of pedophilia are always the ones imagining sexual situations involving children.

And on the topic of lgbt since this is a yuri manga, it reminds me of how many conservative activists who says gays or anime fans are pedophiles always end up in jail for pedophilia.

Every accusation is an confession as they say.

https://imgur.com/a/d7fSxl5

Good job at utterly failing at reading comprehension, the manga itself outright says and shows that the reason Ruka is traumatized is not for having sex with Rin, but because she realized she was only being used and Rin never saw her as someone special.

But I guess facts are secondary when it comes to moral outrage.

found the second sex pest, this one is even dumber because it didn't realize it's position is retarded and tried to paragraph out something that attempts to sound like a valid argument

fact: kids cant consent, even if they agree to it the child consent is incapable of being a legitimate agreement and the emotions she feels after the fact are DIRECTLY TIED to the illegal act, making the act the keystone to why she is emotionally feeling such a way after being abandoned

this means that she was traumatized the second she was statutorily raped and her mental freakout at being abandoned IS a symptom of that abuse trauma and YOUR ilk's reading comprehension is so bottom of the barrel that your arguments fall under that "junk material that should be ignored" category of information

also, miss me with that LGBT shit, I know that most of the people in that community confess their first encounters that made them that way were being 13 and banging a 18-30 year old in the same way, in fact there are several children's books in that category telling 13 year old boys to go on a grinder date to confirm if they are homosexual or not and that is not ok to every normal person, including non-LGBT homosexuals and transgenders

 

[Manko-sensei]

It's always the same troupe even in wholesome age gap stories, the older is evil and the younger is mentally/emotionally incapable as long as they're minors (except for shota, then they're lucky and envied). And after they repeat "bad is bad!" they start insulting, because they don't care about anything else. Unless you explain how this stop light logic works without saying "in my country legal consent is only given at the age of X and then you automatically become an expert in love matters" I'm going to ignore you. But hey, it's okay, you won't understand this story and you will keep getting angry due further events.

 

[Manchura]

It's always the same troupe even in wholesome age gap stories, the older is evil and the younger is mentally/emotionally incapable as long as they're minors (except for shota, then they're lucky and envied). And after they repeat "bad is bad!" they start insulting, because they don't care about anything else. Unless you explain how this stop light logic works without saying "in my country legal consent is only given at the age of X and then you automatically become an expert in love matters" I'm going to ignore you. But hey, it's okay, you won't understand this story and you will keep getting angry due further events.

imagine being a sex pest and not a coward, won't even reply to the comment in question out of fear of being called out for further stupidity

IDC about the story, it's a story that is being used to show why she is the way she is, she was statutorily raped and developed Stockholm syndrome then was abandoned, making her not like the idea of being anything more than a sexually promiscuous friend so it's whatever

then you got this whole comment section full L4D2 jokey lookin MOFOs like you trying to state that it's ok for real kids to be treated the same way using the reason "other countries have different ages to what's your argument mean?" like it's some grand intellectual statement, here's a comparable grand intellectual statement for you: some countries allow you to legally stone a woman for not wearing a hood, so what does your argument against stoning women for wearing a string bikini in public mean? or how about cannibalisms, or ritual sacrifice, or any other number of things that can easily be pointed at as a wider unjust action but have a degree of legality out there in this wide world

yours and everyone like your reasoning and justification/defense of the action is the problem, not the literature who's point is THIS IS A BAD THING THAT HAPPENED TO HER which makes your attempts to defend it look even worse since you are arguing the story's portrayal of this as negative is also false

 

[DaRoyce]

@DaRoyce I was referring to students with the same gap but whatever, some people prefer someone their age and others someone more mature, it's you who can't accept that happening during those years despite happening without drama. For you a gap equals to abuse and feelings or maturity don't matter, only their biological age, and you don't care about anything else even in the chapter. You can live with your old conservative mindset for all I care, just don't impose it on others.

You do realise people's brains age and mature as they get older during their teenage years, this isn't some "conservative mindset" it's a fact.

Do you honestly look at what you're typing and think that a 13 year old has the same cognitive functioning as an 18 year old? Furthermore laws on age of consent were introduced to prevent this same line of reasoning being used ffs.

Age gaps don't equal abuse, it only equals abuse when the age gap means an individual is CLEARLY underage and immature mentally and physically as seen with Ruka who was 12-13, and if you decide to die on that hill that a 12-13 year old is mature enough to have a relationship with a 17-18 year old, that's up to you, but you yourself said:
"Regarding this chapter, the trauma doesn't come from being groomed..."
Showing you can acknowledge this is literal grooming and my point to start this all off was for you to simply not dismiss the clearly concerning age gap.

For you to say this is the "only" thing I care about in this chapter is wrong but odd even if it was true considering, as you've stated, its grooming.

I still think the brother doesn't get enough shit thrown at him and probably explains why she's not really one to talk about family, and the fact that rat is her brother's friend could probably be even worse on her mental state. It's clear that Rin has caused Ruka to have a warped perspective on relationships, with the idea of being 'special' in another's eyes being a route that will only lead to hurt and pain once again, or alternatively that the idea of being 'special' doesn't exist in general and her relationships from then on have just been 'convenient' to giving her the warmth she still wants. However with suuna clearly helping change that idea, slowly but surely she'll switch her mindset on that idea.

 

[Manko-sensei]

@DaRoyce to the point of misreading my own sentence (intentionally or not), I have my doubts how much you have misunderstood. Rin is an awful person for playing with other's feelings, the same thing could have happened to anyone her age and in that case they would have called her misogynistic names as users have done towards Ruka in previous chapters. People don't mature at the same pace, this manga starts with polar opposites, someone who is more mature than her age, Ruka, and someone who hasn't matured at all in any aspect, Suuna, who is bad in interpersonal relationships, studies, sports, etc. Suuna as a first year in university student is less mature than Ruka when she was in first year of middle school, and that's a fact. Same for life, some people never mature, the more sheltered/over-protected they are the worse is the upbringing, and others do much before than average. Maturity is not knowledge acumulation, is life experience, someone who doesn't live by their own reasoning and doesn't experience things will not mature. Law is only for courts, someone who tries to justify everything by law is more prone to do unethical things than someone who tries to understand human condition or simply the reasoning behind the actions. (Consent) laws are only for judges, for living it's education and experience, unless you understand that there's no point in talking further. And honestly, considering Rin a full-fledged criminal with what can be read is simply absurd, there are even nastier gremlins that being the same age do things such as sexting and actual criminal offences (just google some news of 13th teenagers).

 

[DaRoyce]

@DaRoyce to the point of misreading my own sentence (intentionally or not), I have my doubts how much you have misunderstood. Rin is an awful person for playing with other's feelings, the same thing could have happened to anyone her age and in that case they would have called her misogynistic names as users have done towards Ruka in previous chapters. People don't mature at the same pace, this manga starts with polar opposites, someone who is more mature than her age, Ruka, and someone who hasn't matured at all in any aspect, Suuna, who is bad in interpersonal relationships, studies, sports, etc. Suuna as a first year in university student is less mature than Ruka when she was in first year of middle school, and that's a fact. Same for life, some people never mature, the more sheltered/over-protected they are the worse is the upbringing, and others do much before than average. Maturity is not knowledge acumulation, is life experience, someone who doesn't live by their own reasoning and doesn't experience things will not mature. Law is only for courts, someone who tries to justify everything by law is more prone to do unethical things than someone who tries to understand human condition or simply the reasoning behind the actions. (Consent) laws are only for judges, for living it's education and experience, unless you understand that there's no point in talking further. And honestly, considering Rin a full-fledged criminal with what can be read is simply absurd, there are even nastier gremlins that being the same age do things such as sexting and other criminal offences (just google some news of 13th teenagers).

Why are you arguing about semantics? The fact is a 13 year old can not be as physically or mentally mature as an 18 year old, nothing more that needs to be said. There's nothing educational about an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old and I'm unsure how sexting someone who's 13 when you're 18 (which is still fucking disgusting) is worse than actively having sex with that individual. I personally feel comfortable knowing when I turn 18 I won't have any such relationship with a 13 year old, if you were 18 and didn't feel comfortable knowing that then that's concerning.

People have reasons for doing bad things, that doesn't change the fact they did a bad thing. Maybe Rin had a reason for why she felt it was okay to take advantage of Ruka, but that doesn't justify the fact she did a disgusting thing.

Also, no need to mention people being misogynistic pricks when I haven't done that once.

 

[Manko-sensei]

Why are you arguing about semantics? The fact is a 13 year old can not be as physically or mentally mature as an 18 year old, nothing more that needs to be said. There's nothing educational about an 18 year old having sex with a 13 year old and I'm unsure how sexting someone who's 13 when you're 18 (which is still fucking disgusting) is worse than actively having sex with that individual. I personally feel comfortable knowing when I turn 18 I won't have any such relationship with a 13 year old, if you were 18 and didn't feel comfortable knowing that then that's concerning.

People have reasons for doing bad things, that doesn't change the fact they did a bad thing. Maybe Rin had a reason for why she felt it was okay to take advantage of Ruka, but that doesn't justify the fact she did a disgusting thing.

Also, no need to mention people being misogynistic pricks when I haven't done that once.

Okay, no more, you keep mixing things. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours, this is a pointless debate.

 

[DaRoyce]

Okay, no more, you keep mixing things. Ignore my posts and I'll ignore yours, this is a pointless debate.

I haven't mixed up a single thing, I've kept true to my original point and even emphasised it in the first paragraph, but if you're gonna keep dodging my main point feel free to ignore me then.

 

[Hyacyon]

I know this is just my personal anecdote, but... is this a common thing or something!?

not common but also not uncommon. also it's not relegated to just girls, arguably I'd say this kinda preying happens moreso with guys if we're looking at it ratio wise.

 

[MarcEvans]

Jesus christ this cmment section went off the rails. Back to the actual chapter, I think the main point is that experience ruined relationships for her and now she's afraid of being too emotionally attached to people, and wants to avoid romantic relationships.

Also did she kiss her at the end? I guess it's ambiguous but if looks like she climbs over her on the bed while she's sleeping.

 

[Enelreturns]

Everyday I'm embarrassed to call myself a manga/anime fan because of these weirdos in the fanbase just straight up defending sexual assault. If I had a fucking penny every time I have to explain why a 17 year old fucking a 12 year old is morally and legally wrong I'd have enough money to hire a team of fbi agents to check these mf's hard drives.

 

[Fullcloth]

@DaRoyce I was referring to students with the same gap but whatever, some people prefer someone their age and others someone more mature, it's you who can't accept that happening during those years despite happening without drama. For you a gap equals to abuse and feelings or maturity don't matter, only their biological age, and you don't care about anything else even in the chapter. You can live with your old conservative mindset for all I care, just don't impose it on others.

Dude, the hell is wrong with you? Yes I agree kids can be more mature than others are at their usual age.

But as my biology teacher puts it, maturity is not quantifiable while growth is.

Someone's maturity is completely subjective, what to you is someone that can consent might not seem like that to someone else.

This is legit some pedo "your mature for your age" shit.

 

[Manko-sensei]

Dude, the hell is wrong with you? Yes I agree kids can be more mature than others are at their usual age.

But as my biology teacher puts it, maturity is not quantifiable while growth is.

Someone's maturity is completely subjective, what to you is someone that can consent might not seem like that to someone else.

This is legit some pedo "your mature for your age" shit.

That exchange (to call it something) is long over, and I don't need to hear another teenager's borrowed words. Added to ignored list.

 

[alfirizkyr]

So a victim of sexual assault fails to place the blame, forms reactions, and develops an unhealthy, distorted view of romantic/sexual relationships. It's almost textbook Freudian if not for how fucked it's been for Ruka since.

Kind of nice to know that she introspects enough to recognize that she was feeling different about Suuna, though. No denial wallows or the like, just acceptance that the sitch was fucked and that's the way she wanted it.

 

[Fullcloth]

That exchange (to call it something) is long over, and I don't need to hear another teenager's borrowed words. Added to ignored list.

lol sure dude, whatever floats yer boat pedo.

I wouldn't be caught having the same opinions as yandere dev on the age of consent but sure.

 

[orb4eva]

ppl in the comments literally acting like statuatory rape is fine if its mutual love 💀? no, the child cannot consent and it is inherently predatory. even if its not by law, if u genuinely think a sexual relationship between a 17-18 year old and a 12-13 year old is normal, you should be in jail or jump.

 

[Colonel_fury]

Pedophilia bad
Don't molest kids
Also as something of a pretty far right Christian myself I take the Lukashenko mindset with lesbians.
“I forgive women for their lesbianism. But I will never in my lifetime forgive men for being gay… A woman becomes a lesbian only if we men are so wretched.” - Lukashenko president/dictator of belarus