Creature Girls: A Hands-On Field Journal in Another World

[TestAddress]

It's like inter-species reviewers, except 10 times better.

Your pfp loves strong boys. Was Guts able to kill him?

 

[IdidNineEleven]

Beside the mangaka's back-to-back woman moments tirading a strawman of modern feminism, his introspection on incel ideology, the NTR-forgiveness by the protagonist as the equal-but-opposite to the promiscuous enslaved womens' overthrow of their internalised misogyny (that rape victims may as well kill themselves and the babies too) was compelling. But the author speaking through the centaur woman and then the buddhists (to avoid spoiling) was boring in what was said and pathetic in that it has to be said. The characters (the variety of creatures) come from an impressive imagination, but that is all the author has. The author is just not willing to take the time necessary to storyboard or find a manga worth writing. There is nothing worth reading past the Osama Exodus, which was itself very well done, especially in its setup.
This manga also suffers from an oddly-common humanist reaction to "Humanism," present in virtually all manga that mask theirselves as political. I imagine this comes from the postmodern attack on education and the overbearing imposition of civil life (burger gesellschaft) on the political (one legally cannot post a review in Japan).

 

[Monn12]

My initial reaction was positive but slowly and sometimes suddenly it began to show the horror's.
We have 2 different MC's. One wants harems and is outgoing the other one is shy and seeks someone who wants him.

First MC: while saying harem harem is actually a sl&t and a person i would not respect in any sense. He is a biologist who is all accepting, who wills to have harems but doesn't constrain his harems towards being his only partners. He is man of low moral value since he is actually pimping out his harem member for intel, but his sin is weakened, because it's okay in that girls culture. He is okay with his partner being intimate with her father.
Author basically made a complete madman, the essence of harem is 1 man many wives, though he contradicts this definition and basically his harem is more akin to hippy cult or a public house. Also his attitude towards his harem partners is surface level and to a degree his harem members are calculating and also don't hold much regard towards him (i.e. he gives technology they give sex).

Second MC: Oddly enough this one despite having less screen time had more character build up. Initially he was pressured to serve the kingdom. Kingdom provided him with many resources and maids(who also work as agents). Unlike first MC's this one isn't only a researcher, he is strong and hardworking, he only lacks confidence. But he has a special ability, hype analyzation of people i.e. almost mind reading. He sees that maids despise him as a man and are not willing to sleep with him and will only sleep out of obligation and mission. He tried to be compassionate, tried to improve basically acted as a people pleaser but because it was seen as something lowly and obvious lack of self confidence, females were disgusted by him.
He was living with this hyper skill constantly feeling their disgust and finally breaking. He became twisted yet free. Maids on the other hand understood that they were imbeciles (like how tf stupid can you be, one thing despising a guy for not having anything to back him up + low confidence other is when you know he is ULTRAMAN but somehow lacking in self confidence)

The main crux and problem, whilst author tries to give readers some practical knowledge he is heavily brainwashing when it comes to humanitarian knowledge (culturology, sociology and etc.)
Authors also doesn't raise main concerns on some topics and brushes them away with sophisticated terms but alas they nothing more than a banal attempt to use sophism to mask blatant propaganda and idiocy.

While i liked punches towards feminism and our modern day critique (we simply don't have enough counter arguments on pop-media so left leaning people go unchallenged most of the time), author was using cheap tricks for argumentations.
I will not say anything about feminism, i'm not well versed in it nor i'm willing to advocate it.
I will argument about being all accepting as it seems the case with both MC's. Despite coming from our modern ages with a lot of schools of philosophy and history they assimilate local barbarisms too willingly.
1) It's in the culture to rape? Okay i accept
1.1 It's in culture to accept your wife being raped? Okay i accept
What sort of lunacy is this? Sex and especially rape leave deep impressions in us humans not to mention children. Why didn't author raise the main questions why it is wrong? He only swept it under the rug, sex is something intimate and when used excessively becomes less intimate and more like a game, when used with many different partners it destroys our humanities ability to pair bond thus making intimacy even more less important.
Rape, so if a woman doesn't struggle or defend thus leaving no physical scars it's okay? What sort of sick fuck could come with this argumentation, rape leaves emotional scars even if a woman doesn't defend. Jeez some women nowadays are even saying that having sex with husbands that they don't desire is something akin to rape they are forced to do spouses job but they don't want it and feel uncomfortable. Now fucking imagine if some random moron who can overpower you just does it...You don't struggle, because you know it's useless, you might even try to imitate some form of pleasure just to mask the pain.
Lastly impregnation, he is okay with someone else impregnating his wife. There are objective reasons why it isn't acceptable. Even if we leave in a complete communism and all resources are shared there would be a problem that some men have stronger seed whilst others might be sterile but we all must work the same despite him having 10 children and me having 0.
Never once did author raise those obvious arguments.
2) Being raped as a culture? Okay i accept
The funny thing is, he isn't accepting rape, he is just accepting supposed rape but it is in his kink range. I doubt he would accept this cultural phenomena if their culture was akin to mantis mating (after mating they kill males). But hey, it's in their culture(nature) isn't it?
3)Incest is good for teaching children? Okay i accept
3.1 (same culture) Giving your family members to guests for "fun"? Okay i accept
WOW, there so many things i can say but i will not. One thing is clear it's wrong.

You know 3rd, had at least one redeeming feature, these creatures had a "fun" hole and one for breeding so offering a fun hole was okay but before marriage father could teach their daughter with REAL HOLE (without insemination i.e. pulling out). Like author could at least leave some human decency and tell us that even fathers used fun holes.........Nope just needed to make it even more disgusting. (Ohh and also once again completely disregarding emotional aspect to intimacy).

Last note. Author completely avoids the crucial aspect of intimacy and what it brings to us. One of the main points of monogamy or harems is that intimacy brings security. You share a lot of secrets and details with your intimate partner including your weaknesses by giving or sharing your intimate partner you essentially expose yourself and risk your weaknesses and secrets being exposed. (Not to mention impregnation, especially aggravating in that world since children will be of mothers race unless goblins and orcs are involved, so without modern DNA testing "free love" is especially dumb idea).
Our current world has those incidents happening more often and is more accepting towards cheating because we all have ability to DNA test our children, so the severity of cheating is decreased.
There are modern day AGENTS whose sole objective is to SEDUCE someone's spouse in order to convert them or steal secrets and higher up you go in our society the more chances you get to meet those agents. Heck there might be some people among your "friends" who are jealous who will seduce your spouse and try to steal secrets to damage you.
Author tries to make serious arguments but his level isn't enough to go deep.
Don't point a gun if you don't have ammunition, 'cause someone might point a loaded gun.

P.S. Honestly? There are lot of things that are wrong with this work, feminist can write how this work is sexist, traditionalist will point out it's sadomit nature and etc..............I initially liked it but when author started to dabble with philosophy and serious subjects and basically screaming FAULTY IDEOLOGIES (Not decent argumentation). And i can't say if he is a feminist, MRA or something else, he is everything and nothing.

 

[Greedygreen]

Manga is more or less readable.
However I won't be surprised if author ends up in the news as a sex offender/serial rapist/cult member/cult leader

 

[reeper0]

just like to say this is in english up to volume 11 on mangabuddy

 

[ashar321]

I'll be using Google Translate, so I apologize in advance and hope it can get my point across correctly.

In addition to those chapters that have already been discussed here and which are frankly shocking with a different way of looking at things, I want to propose discussing the latest chapters. So...Lamia. I don’t know if Taishi is doing this on purpose for the sake of the prosperity of goblins and orcs, but he openly persuaded the lamias to become theirs breeding livestock. A whole tribe of women comes to seek refuge with goblins and orcs, who, as we know, are capable of obtaining new goblins and orcs from any other races. Fact - they were just a gift for this tribe. The attitude of the leader of these lamias is striking - she knows that in the end there will be nothing left of their tribe - they will grow old, leaving behind not the offspring of their own race, but a bunch of goblins and orcs. We are not talking about racial differences as we understand them - not just differences in the form of, for example, skin color within a particular race, but directly completely different species. Someone may write that this is their only way to survive now, but the leader of the Lamia clearly did not think about a more global future. And here we come to another important thing - ANY race that now wants to join Taishi and his village will be a clear loser, because... will end up becoming another source of increasing goblin numbers.

And now we come to a more global question - with all other races, some kind of balance is maintained in this sense. As we know, in this world, when two completely different species have sex, the child will be a member of the mother's race. This maintains some balance, but it doesn't work with goblins and orcs... Even though they have their own women, they are capable of "parasitic" reproduction with the help of other races. Agree that this breaks the fragile racial balance in this world, huh?

I would really like to hear your opinion on this matter, and then I will ask an even larger question regarding this world, which the author is trying so hard to make us look at humanity.

 

[Monn12]

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Agreed my friend. Author is morally corrupt. While he talk of acceptance he doesn't delve deeper.
Authors take on everything is surface level. His politic: acceptance is the key.

Also the case with Lamia, do you know why women in many cultures are not given the right to defend or hold power? It's exactly because they are more keen to surrender, they are not losing anything in case of surrender. Genetically they will still have a chance to reproduce and continue their lineage. When it comes to males it's the other way around, if we don't defend or hold power others will conquer us and kill us, castrate us(happened in our history), take our women and etc.
Basically strip male population of current race, culture or nation of rights to reproduce and continue genetic lineage.
In older ages it wasn't uncommon that when conquered, male population including children were killed, while women taken as slaves. Osmans/Ottomans(Other muslims too but they had whole armies of castrated guys) took slaves and castrated them, especially popular was to take europeans and even some christian europeans sold off european pagans to north africa and middle east.
Women in all of those cases were slaves/concubines/wifes(harem) while men were subjected to cruel fate.
Author takes up many interesting things and only talk about surface level stuff without delving deeper.

 

[ashar321]

Agreed my friend. Author is morally corrupt. While he talk of acceptance he doesn't delve deeper.
Authors take on everything is surface level. His politic: acceptance is the key.

Also the case with Lamia, do you know why women in many cultures are not given the right to defend or hold power? It's exactly because they are more keen to surrender, they are not losing anything in case of surrender. Genetically they will still have a chance to reproduce and continue their lineage. When it comes to males it's the other way around, if we don't defend or hold power others will conquer us and kill us, castrate us(happened in our history), take our women and etc.
Basically strip male population of current race, culture or nation of rights to reproduce and continue genetic lineage.
In older ages it wasn't uncommon that when conquered, male population including children were killed, while women taken as slaves. Osmans/Ottomans(Other muslims too but they had whole armies of castrated guys) took slaves and castrated them, especially popular was to take europeans and even some christian europeans sold off european pagans to north africa and middle east.
Women in all of those cases were slaves/concubines/wifes(harem) while men were subjected to cruel fate.
Author takes up many interesting things and only talk about surface level stuff without delving deeper.

Examples from the history of our world can hardly be quoted here. As I wrote above, we are talking about completely different creatures. When Taishi began to encourage the leader of the Lamia to take part in the orgies, she even then needed to assess the situation and what her people would become in the end. In her situation, it would be more logical to find out about nearby villages that could accept them and ask Taishi to escort them there. This would be the best outcome for her. Staying in the goblin village means dooming your own daughters to become breeding livestock for goblins and orcs.

In the comments above they wrote that it is impossible to judge an entire race by one tribe and that specifically the Taisha goblins said that they had not taken captive women before. And here is the FIRST case when the goblins of Taishi, without his participation, stumble upon a group of adventurers, killed everyone except two girls and, judging by their appearance, immediately raped them and took them to their village. "Never captured women" right? Either the goblin leader lied or it’s just instinctive for the goblins.

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I don’t know why the author is so diligent in making Taishi some kind of superman. This is an ordinary Japanese student (judging by the appearance) who played sports. Now he is already jumping on the branches of trees like Naruto in full armor, shoots from a bow at night like a sniper, moves in the dark so that even a lamia cannot notice him at night and is able to compete with a dragon 1v1.
I could understand his intelligence and insight into the psychology of other "people", but his physical characteristics defy any explanation, although the author here is trying to claim a scientific explanation of the biology of the species.

 

[Monn12]

Examples

1) Examples from history are good just examples from life. Our literature is defined by our experience and history. This author cannot think beyond the our human brain. The closest to different races we have is color/nationality/belief/ and other factors.
For any living organism main objective is to survive and to prove that their DNA is the best.(Maybe not objective, but that's what we do in essence)
So Lamias peoples DNA will live on in orcs and goblins, sure they will take the image of orcs and goblins but the tribe blood will flow through them (mother would be lamias, flesh and blood from lamia and sperm from orcs and goblin).
Dooming for breeding livestock? I agree with you, but do you remember that author told us it's not dooming it's an opportunity.
Author painted the picture living under goblins as something good and freeing.
That's why i told, author is a surface level cunt who doesn't deeply enough.

2) I do not know who said that you cannot judge about whole race based on 1 tribe. But it's stupid then. Why are MC's accepting one stupid tribes WAY OF LIFE? If every tribe has different tradition, it means that you can create your own GOOD traditions.
Logic about not judging one tribe is good in our world, it is not good logic in this manga. These races preach about r*pe being good, having incestous relationship as something good and etc. Than does it mean there are more sober minded tribes? IF so then it means that manga MC's are very bad and stupid people who accept savage tribe mentality despite being humans from modern times who studied and overcame savage times.
The second part about goblins, authors idea is that: These girls have ability to die, take a knife, bite your tongue(suffocation from your own blood, very painful). Basically if they didn't want to be r*ped they could die, nobody forced them to have sex....(idiocy from the author). They even go as far as judge these girls "How dare they! They either die or become your sex slaves, the demand to release them or not touch them but do not provide anything in return!" <-- Jist of their logic.

3) Both MC's when teleported to that world got stronger and received special abilities. You can see it from first chapters that they both gotten stronger. Taishi played sports and also was a martial artist so by human standards he was not only smart but also strong. The first MC wasn't strong to begin with, he was a plain biologist while Taishi was not only a scientist but also an active sports guy.

 

[ashar321]

1) Examples from history are good just examples from life. Our literature is defined by our experience and history. This author cannot think beyond the our human brain. The closest to different races we have is color/nationality/belief/ and other factors.
For any living organism main objective is to survive and to prove that their DNA is the best.(Maybe not objective, but that's what we do in essence)
So Lamias peoples DNA will live on in orcs and goblins, sure they will take the image of orcs and goblins but the tribe blood will flow through them (mother would be lamias, flesh and blood from lamia and sperm from orcs and goblin).
Dooming for breeding livestock? I agree with you, but do you remember that author told us it's not dooming it's an opportunity.
Author painted the picture living under goblins as something good and freeing.
That's why i told, author is a surface level cunt who doesn't deeply enough.

2) I do not know who said that you cannot judge about whole race based on 1 tribe. But it's stupid then. Why are MC's accepting one stupid tribes WAY OF LIFE? If every tribe has different tradition, it means that you can create your own GOOD traditions.
Logic about not judging one tribe is good in our world, it is not good logic in this manga. These races preach about r*pe being good, having incestous relationship as something good and etc. Than does it mean there are more sober minded tribes? IF so then it means that manga MC's are very bad and stupid people who accept savage tribe mentality despite being humans from modern times who studied and overcame savage times.
The second part about goblins, authors idea is that: These girls have ability to die, take a knife, bite your tongue(suffocation from your own blood, very painful). Basically if they didn't want to be r*ped they could die, nobody forced them to have sex....(idiocy from the author). They even go as far as judge these girls "How dare they! They either die or become your sex slaves, the demand to release them or not touch them but do not provide anything in return!" <-- Jist of their logic.

3) Both MC's when teleported to that world got stronger and received special abilities. You can see it from first chapters that they both gotten stronger. Taishi played sports and also was a martial artist so by human standards he was not only smart but also strong. The first MC wasn't strong to begin with, he was a plain biologist while Taishi was not only a scientist but also an active sports guy.

1) This is exactly what I'm talking about. In the case of orcs and goblins in this universe, it is impossible to say with confidence that your DNA will live on in your offspring. In this particular world, orcs and goblins are a parasitic life form. Their offspring do not receive anything new from another species - they turn out to be ordinary orcs and goblins. Taishi masterfully brainwashes the Lamia leader with the idea that this is an opportunity to truly become part of their village, otherwise they will be viewed as outsiders. The absence of family as a concept and mass love create ideal conditions for goblins and orcs. Note that Taisha himself, in this sense, has two girls who are exclusively his - in a sense, his wives.
For the benefit of goblins and orcs, he will professionally agitate all arriving species to accept their rules of free sex with everyone as an opportunity/new life/revision of old principles, etc., which has successfully allowed these species to exist until now. Survival of strong DNA? Again, it doesn’t work in relation to the parasitic species - goblins, otherwise it turns out that they are the highest lifeform in this fantasy world and many others?
By the way, we don’t know whether goblins and orcs in this world need intelligent species to reproduce at all? It may happen that they can have sex with cows or pigs and get the same goblins and orcs. Maybe all they need to reproduce is the most common set of reproductive organs of any viviparous female.

2) The goblins were simply lucky that Taishi became so attached to them. If he left this village right now, it would quickly decline and fall apart. Why he accepted the culture and view of the goblins and decides to spread it to all those who arrived is a mystery. He has ABSOLUTELY no respect for the cultures of other peoples and even mocks them to some extent. I doubt that his path is correct and that he isnt going in a direction where the rest of the world will not turn against him.

3) And here we come to another important mistake of this manga. Knowledge in itself does not make it possible to create something modern. A good example here is the manga Dr. Stone, in which they got everything step by step and it was all quite primitive. In this manga (creature girls), I saw how in one chapter Taishi creates a stove out of mud and stones and in the next chapter several MODERN gas cylinders lie in front of him. Immediately thoughts - “wait, what? What did I miss? How? Where from!?”
When his former maids arrive, we already see how the goblins are working with circular saws on tree trunks and a little further there is already quite the semblance of a firearm. I won’t even try to figure out what kind of gun it is, but the fact remains that even all sorts of skilled blacksmiths from the “iron city” that they showed us would hardly have forged something like a modern gas cylinder with threads and everything else.. There is no sign that it was made in the wild. Hell, give me a welding machine and a pile of metal right now I won’t do better than he did. And I’m generally silent about parts for the gun. The first hero (from the village of Arachne) has now just created pedal transport and devices for the home - like primitive washing machines and other things. Nothing TOO cool, requiring small details and titanic efforts - everything is quite simple and primitive, and this is taking into account the fact that he has a lot of help from various villages in terms of materials and craftsmen.

4) Now another Japanese has appeared and it is obvious that he will confront Taishi. It is also obvious that Taishi will defeat him and everything is heading towards a confrontation between two old friends in this fantasy world. Taishi has not yet reached the point of gunpowder and firearms, but everything goes straight to the point that morality does not matter to him. He would have made an atomic bomb if he could.

 

[Monn12]

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1) I think we exhausted this one. If we keep digging deeper we would find more flaws and we both agree.
2) Same as 1st one. I will just this about the author. If i start a debate with philosophy professor i should be at least at the same level of competence, author though seems like a wikipedia expert trying to push his weak reasoning in his manga. For us the readers it's frustrating because he sets this TONE as IF HE IS RIGHT IN EVERYTHING, but some of us readers know and understand that authors reasoning is flawed. I found many problems and i'm not even humanities major or smart to begin with. (If an average Joe could find faults in this work imagine people in respective fields?)

3) Taishi is physics and engineering guy i.e. practical thing construction. 1st MC is sociology and biology expert. Taishi knows how to build things and is smart. 1st MC knows biology and how to exploit other races and their benefits(I dislike him the most btw). Even though Taishi also scummy, at least he has some sort of ego of self-respect, 1st MC doesn't have that "he is scientist" he accepts everything, because it's new and interesting, he doesn't question or debate why something can be wrong instead he accepts and even tries to justify that.

4) Didn't get to this point yet. Decided to pause until 40+ chapters will come out. As for Taishi and the 1st MC....I don't know yet but there were 2 theories:
1) They are in different timelines
2) They are on opposite continental sides thus they didn't receive any information about others exploits.
2.1 If so they will fight, Taishi being a tyrannical empire that is for MONO CULTURE (homogenous) i.e. orks and goblins and 1st MC for MULTICULTURALISM (Guess who will win).

 

[ashar321]

3) Taishi is physics and engineering guy i.e. practical thing construction. 1st MC is sociology and biology expert. Taishi knows how to build things and is smart. 1st MC knows biology and how to exploit other races and their benefits(I dislike him the most btw). Even though Taishi also scummy, at least he has some sort of ego of self-respect, 1st MC doesn't have that "he is scientist" he accepts everything, because it's new and interesting, he doesn't question or debate why something can be wrong instead he accepts and even tries to justify that.

That's why I cited the manga Dr. Stone as an example. Even if you are a scientist and know how things work and how to create them, even if you are a modern engineer, you cannot create modern things immediately after you have built a clay oven. Making a sword, shield or armor is one thing, but creating small parts for a gun with mathematical precision is quite another. As another example of a modern engineer, I'll use Howard from The Big Bang Theory. A NASA engineer, but I doubt he would create gas cylinders in the wilderness, fill them with compressed air, and then use them to create guns and circular saws for large-scale logging. This is not some kind of cooking, where, knowing the recipe, after a few mistakes you can already make something sane. Hell, even the main character from “The greatest estate designer” could not create something sane with all his knowledge without the global help of skilled builders and simply craftsmens.

Now about the first MC and his “accept everything”...It is worth recalling that he does not completely accept everything... I think that he is more inclined to change these cultures SLOWLY, rather than sharply prohibiting something or adding something to the views of ordinary people on the world. Remember the "red caps". When two girls asked him if he was a spiritual chosen one or something, he looked at them in a new way with the thoughts of “maybe they can help me change their culture and remove all this religiosity?”(well, something like that). As a biologist and sociologist, he will be looking for common ground between cultures, trying to smooth out the corners and force these societies to interact on a deeper level, and for this, minimal cultural changes have to be done, otherwise different creatures will continue to look at each other’s views as if they were looking at shit.
In this aspect, he considers himself an outside observer who is completely unintegrated into this world and continues to watch him as if he were collecting a harem of monster girls in some computer game. This is the only way to explain his attitude towards the harpy scene - he still treats all these girls like NPCs in the game.
Unfortunately, until now he has not had a real challenge that will confront him with the fact that he needs to not only build roads and modern houses in this world, but also be able to protect all this not only with the help of crossbows. Right now he resolves most conflict situations peacefully and has been successful so far. He needs a good kick in the ass to stop taking everything in this world so frivolously.

2) They are on opposite continental sides thus they didn't receive any information about others exploits.
2.1 If so they will fight, Taishi being a tyrannical empire that is for MONO CULTURE (homogenous) i.e. orks and goblins and 1st MC for MULTICULTURALISM (Guess who will win).

They probably just don’t know about themselves. However, the new Japanese has appeared to know about Taishi and that he is also an “otherworlder”. Taishi doesn’t know about other “outworlders”. The situation there is already tied up in such a way that they cannot avoid conflict.
I don’t know what the author will do, but in terms of cold logic and efficiency for military conflict, monoculture and tyranny clearly win. However, we still have a manga and for some reason I hope that Taishi will lose, realizing how wrong he was in his judgments. On my own behalf, I hope that he will become completely disillusioned with the goblins after they start doing truly disgusting things. This is the only way he can “sober up.”

 

[Monn12]

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3) You are right about the science of things. Taishi even referred that he is "that" and because of that he doesn't know how to create something. And despite author acknowledging this fact through Taishi he was able to create impossible things. (The cylinder thing and circular saw are great examples, just making cylindrical something from metal is work of art that needs a lot of labour, creating rectangular is much easier). But yeah, you are correct author created convenient technology that normally would not be possible and just stamped it with "He is scientist".

About MC referring to everything as NPC is correct. But even with all that i have my problems, harem is something personal. You can experiment and take a soft approach towards other cultures and tribes while dealing with them but your harem? It is your intimate place. Did the author forget about basic things as venereal diseases? Or possibility that children could belong to others? (And he would have 0 chances to proof that they are his).
I'm not even talking about his secrets being exposed(or set ups) by his harem mates who can be seduced by the enemy and betray him.
Like i can understand being "accepting" towards other races or tribes as long as they do not cross my intimate line. So called mutual respect. You can create a harem and make rules, his harems isn't actually a harem it contradicts itself. Basically speaking he is in "Open relationship" which is quite different from Harem. No normal self-respecting being would allow filth to gather in his own backyard, while he actively supports it just to "catch em'all". Truly unsettling and disgusting.

2) Didn't get to that part. But 1st MC and Taishi might be in different timelines (i don't remember specifically why i thought about). I remember one thing about a the same kingdom and that 0 information was exchanged. Like otherworlders are known as something GREAT and usual any news about otherworlders should have been spread far and beyond but both Taishi and 1st MC despite making huge steps never heard about each other.

Taishi will lose 100%. This manga will not allow parasitic and outright evil monoculture to win. I think even the concept of monoculturalism is being looked down upon (the irony).
If they are in the same timeline, I think Taishi and 1st MC will have a big clash. On one side armies of goblins and orcs with modern weaponry and on the other many races with various tactics. Strength in multiculturalism, basically multicultures can mask the negatives and flesh out the positives. (A standard 21st century propaganda tale)
(though it will be funny to hear how 1st MC will tell that Orks and goblins are bad with the rape but harpies are good or will the author conveniently forget about the harpies or the vampires? Because vampires were also regarding other races as something as slaves that could be used as objects or pets.)

 

[ashar321]

About MC referring to everything as NPC is correct. But even with all that i have my problems, harem is something personal. You can experiment and take a soft approach towards other cultures and tribes while dealing with them but your harem? It is your intimate place. Did the author forget about basic things as venereal diseases? Or possibility that children could belong to others? (And he would have 0 chances to proof that they are his).

I don't make excuses for the first hero. I think that the attitude towards a game, which I wrote about above, is reflected everywhere. His harem is a collection of monster girls with whom he will simply have sex. He often thinks about the influence of different creatures on culture, but almost immediately discards these ideas. He's like an explorer who was temporarily sent to another planet to see how the natives there live. And then, when the business trip is over, he will return back. So far his attitude towards everything seems exactly like this. Have time to fuck as many girls as possible and ride off into the sunset.

Sexually transmitted diseases and illnesses in general are quite an interesting topic. As a biologist, he could show himself in this field by starting to prepare medicines, like antibiotics or something more serious. As a biologist, he should be familiar with chemistry from college. Although this is doubtful, given that he could not remember even the elementary composition for obtaining glass.

I'm not even talking about his secrets being exposed(or set ups) by his harem mates who can be seduced by the enemy and betray him.

This is an excellent point. I wonder how the first hero would react if Taishi caught his harpy and raped her? Food for thought...

If they are in the same timeline, I think Taishi and 1st MC will have a big clash. On one side armies of goblins and orcs with modern weaponry and on the other many races with various tactics. Strength in multiculturalism, basically multicultures can mask the negatives and flesh out the positives. (A standard 21st century propaganda tale)

Well, there are already hints of this. Logic dictates that a herd of orcs and goblins with modern weapons would win against a herd of aborigines with crossbows, but we have a manga and we need to show the power of multicultures. But who knows? Seeing how the author does not hesitate to throw mud at this and that in modern society, he can do anything.
A subtle hint that the allies of the first hero are superior in racial characteristics. When Taishi asked what lamias could do, she replied that "they can see in the dark, but not as well as redcaps (satyr-like) and can swim in water, but not as well as merfolk." In other words, the first hero has been lucky with the “recruits” all this time.


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I am interested in another question - how does Taishi see the future of his village in general? We haven't been told about his global plans for the future and he acts as if this will always be a small village.
In this sense, the first hero at least establishes connections between several villages. He builds roads, creates transport, but even with this no one tells us where he is leading? What is this for? Does he want to create a single state out of them?

 

[Monn12]

He often thinks about the influence of different creatures on culture, but almost immediately discards these ideas. He's like an explorer who was temporarily sent to another planet to see how the natives there live. And then, when the business trip is over, he will return back. So far his attitude towards everything seems exactly like this. Have time to fuck as many girls as possible and ride off into the suns

Couldn't have said it better.

Sexually transmitted diseases and illnesses in general are quite an interesting topic. As a biologist, he could show himself in this field by starting to prepare medicines, like antibiotics or something more serious. As a biologist, he should be familiar with chemistry from college. Although this is doubtful, given that he could not remember even the elementary composition for obtaining glass.

Good point, author diggs his own grave the more he tries to be "smart".

This is an excellent point. I wonder how the first hero would react if Taishi caught his harpy and raped her? Food for thought...

It's all in the culture or at least that's how he should react. And his centaur girl should be given to every guest due to her culture having this tradition (fun hole)

Well, there are already hints of this. Logic dictates that a herd of orcs and goblins with modern weapons would win against a herd of aborigines with crossbows, but we have a manga and we need to show the power of multicultures. But who knows? Seeing how the author does not hesitate to throw mud at this and that in modern society, he can do anything.

Hmm...You might be right. Author is a funny person, he shits on patriarchy the same way he shits on matriarchy. Same as on feminism and men's right movement. But i doubt he will be so courageous as to let rape culture to dominate the world (eventually all females will be replaced (by goblin females, i don't know if there are orc females)
and no more creature girl harem meaning the title would be misleading)

I am interested in another question - how does Taishi see the future of his village in general? We haven't been told about his global plans for the future and he acts as if this will always be a small village.
In this sense, the first hero at least establishes connections between several villages. He builds roads, creates transport, but even with this no one tells us where he is leading? What is this for? Does he want to create a single state out of them?

Something akin to mongols maybe? Basically enslaving everyone all around and demanding tribute for safety(resources and girls). In case someone doesn't obey full destruction. To my understanding Taishi already commented that he can somehow destroy the kingdom with ease he simply chooses not to do so, because he doesn't require it right now.
The First MC? Who knows, i think he is single chromosome creature, that exchanges his "knowledge" for harem members and all others simply naturally build around him. I think you should ask what will harem wifes will decide. I think they will take the household and politics in their hands while demanding from him technology and inspiration a mascot of sorts who connects everyone.

 

[ashar321]

It's all in the culture or at least that's how he should react. And his centaur girl should be given to every guest due to her culture having this tradition (fun hole)

What I mean is, on the one hand, if this is one of the inhabitants of this world or a representative of exactly the culture to which this tradition belongs. On the other hand, the attitude may change if, say, a person from the human state comes to visit and wants to take advantage of this tradition - the first hero’s attitude towards him may be completely different. Taishi, as a representative of his own world, has the right to take advantage of his wives? Has the right to rape a harpy or take a centaur when visiting? Doubtful. They are both from a culture that condemns this and it will be taken as a personal insult, although it will be taken normally by his wives. There are too many different situations to say unequivocally that he will be okay with the fact that his wife will be taken by different guests. What if there is a delegation of several people from the human state? I'm still trying to think of this character as a decent person.

But i doubt he will be so courageous as to let rape culture to dominate the world

Don’t forget that the author does not present this as rape, but as breaking down blocks in the head and discovering something new. "New opportunities", as you wrote above. I will be glad if I’m wrong, but I think that in this case the author himself expresses his opinion for Taishi and tries to show how good it is for everyone in such communes. But we know that this would only work if goblins and orcs were not parasitic races. If the rules of reproduction of all other intelligent races applied to them, then something else could be discussed here, but the way Taishi does it, it’s just a field for using everyone else for the benefit of the goblins.It seems to me that the prospect of all races being eventually absorbed is much worse than even the fact of individual rapes. Maybe I'm thinking too globally...

Something akin to mongols maybe? Basically enslaving everyone all around and demanding tribute for safety(resources and girls)

This already makes him automatically the enemy of everyone else and will force other states and species to unite against him.

To my understanding Taishi already commented that he can somehow destroy the kingdom with ease he simply chooses not to do so, because he doesn't require it right now.

I think that at this stage it is too early for him to talk about the destruction of an entire kingdom. This is a bluff, but he knows psychology and makes others think that this is really so. It’s one thing when someone attacks them (as was the case in the last chapter), and quite another when this village tries to attack the whole kingdom on its own. Except that he actually already has an atomic bomb, which he created in the forest from shit and sticks.

i think he is single chromosome creature, that exchanges his "knowledge" for harem members and all others simply naturally build around him

Agree. We were shown that he was the same preoccupied idiot back in our world (he dreamed of collecting a harem in all seriousness and rushed around with this thought like a crazy person).

I think you should ask what will harem wifes will decide. I think they will take the household and politics in their hands while demanding from him technology and inspiration a mascot of sorts who connects everyone.

I think that he is already this symbol of unification. They already look at him like on a child who wants boob. However, this child is quite useful and knows a lot, so they periodically give him boob. Otherwise, no one needs him.

 

[Monn12]

What I mean is, on the one hand, if this is one of the inhabitants of this world or a representative of exactly the culture to which this tradition belongs.

Agreed with you. I was using it as a mere joke, it's quite understandable that this will be taken as an insult and a direct attack.
1st MC's attitude towards other humans from other states may be different but to my understanding he wouldn't reject it if the wife suggested it herself. It all depends on the tone, for example if another race demanded to adhere to this tradition, while wife would comply, 1st MC would not (i doubt author would allow aggressive form of cuckolding to happen). On the other hand if said wife would propose it herself for example for some benefit in negotiations, he would agree, he already has complied with pimping harpy to receive intel. (Also once again the whole premise of his compliance to outrageous traditions sickens me, for example in some countries it was a tradition to steal your potential wife and by that forcefully without her or her family consent, some people in said cultures hate this while other follow it)

Don’t forget that the author does not present this as rape, but as breaking down blocks in the head and discovering something new. "New opportunities", as you wrote above.

Even if author represents it, magazine that publishes it won't allow him to do so. Despite Japanese representation of rape is quite different compared to others it's still regarded as something negative. And even if author thinks otherwise, publishing company won't allow him. By the way Japanese interpretation of rape has many layers. For example its not so uncommon when they use it as a "sex play". While others also practise it, in Japan if i understand correctly this kind of play is more acceptable.
Other point, rape is a form of dominance, they represent it in their works that you do not hurt them and please yourself but stimulate them and pleasure (the victim) first and then dominate over them. A sorts of BDSM like play. Taishi also tries to bring it in that kind of sense, release yourself from your ego, give up and enjoy, thus you will be taken care of.
In any case i think author would not be allowed for this thought to win, secret fetishes is one thing but openly promoting it, it won't pass in Japan.

This already makes him automatically the enemy of everyone else and will force other states and species to unite against him.

Isn't he already? Just by associating with goblins he became one. Others don't attack him simply because he is in a remote region or because the kingdom is afraid.

I think that at this stage it is too early for him to talk about the destruction of an entire kingdom.

You have a point, i somehow assumed that he wasn't bluffing.

As for the last two points. Yup it's like a classical example how some women think : A man in the house is the head, women is the neck. Basically meaning that he represents and does things while his wife directs his actions. Representation of a dumb husband who is somehow capable but incapable of deciding what to do thus he needs a smart wife who leads him in a correct direction. i.e Men are simple and in his case he is simplest organism.

 

[ashar321]

Also once again the whole premise of his compliance to outrageous traditions sickens me, for example in some countries it was a tradition to steal your potential wife and by that forcefully without her or her family consent, some people in said cultures hate this while other follow it

It is worth noting that such things happen in societies in which modern technologies and views on things come quite abruptly - within literally one generation. Because of this, in my opinion, this mixture of old traditions and new views will temporarily persist. Sooner or later, traditions that were considered a barbaric relic will disappear. There remain traditions that do not contradict modern law - usually in the form of holidays or small everyday things like the rules for serving dishes or receiving guests. But this is part of a larger topic that I will cover towards the end of this post.

Taishi also tries to bring it in that kind of sense, release yourself from your ego, give up and enjoy, thus you will be taken care of.

I thought that in terms of girls and sex, this Taishi is not much better than the first hero. Although the first hero looks like a child with a harem, the second behaves essentially the same way - he was completely unremarkable in his home world and was not paid attention to at all. Here he is the king and uses everything to successfully brainwash the wild tribes into getting sex. The history of mankind can also “boast” of similar sex tourists who travel to frankly wild places among tribes of people who still live in the Stone Age precisely to receive those same pleasures from primitive womens. Goblins, with their society of open love and lamias in the form of women who have nowhere to go, came in handy. It is worth noting once again that he keeps his former maids practically as wives and does not give them to anyone.

Isn't he already? Just by associating with goblins he became one. Others don't attack him simply because he is in a remote region or because the kingdom is afraid.

I don’t know what the author thinks, but I would really like to see how the leader of the Lamia begins to think about the future of his people more globally. And the roles of her lamias, whom she brought to volunteer to become incubators for goblins. Of the whole story, for some reason this part has stuck with me so far. However, everything is going to the point that the author will show us how, on the contrary, everyone is happy to live “under the wing” of Taishi. And yes - this contradicts any common sense.



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And here I come to the very topic that I consider very important in relation to the second hero. Although he is an engineer and an athlete, he at the same time knows quite well psychology and how societies work. In this connection, the main problem arises, which he does not see in a more global way. Namely, the society he is building is viable only in the early stages. Our history dictates this to us. What am I talking about? Let me explain. The history of mankind, in the earliest stages of human settlement on earth, knows a huge number of primitive tribes. Each tribe has its own traditions, views on things, etc. There is a direct analogy to the various races of this manga. What has humanity come to? Moreover, from polygamous relationships, all these tribes grew into monogamy (in one form or another) in which there is the concept of a separate family with its own children and its own private property. Taishi cannot help but know that everything will come over time to monogamy and to an ordinary family. If he does not want this, then the development of this tribe must be stopped precisely at the level at which it is already located. It is unknown whether his kingdom will survive after his death (at least from old age) or will continue to develop, but if it remains, then again, sooner or later it will come to individual families of monogamy. Even the heroes themselves, in their thoughts, assessing this or that tradition(in fantasy world), say to themselves confidently - this is not viable in my world with billions of people. One way or another, in a broader sense, Taishi’s society does not stand up to any criticism at all. His approach is good within one village with a small number of people he can control.

One way or another, men will appear who will say to themselves, “I want to make this woman happy! I want a child FROM HER! My child! And I want to transfer my property to my child!” the same thing works in the opposite way for women - she may want a child from a specific man and wants to be associated with him. Even without love, at a primitive level this is already a path towards monogamy.

That's why I always return to the example of the lamias. I feel VERY sorry for them and everything that happens to them upsets me. They came from a monogamous society with a higher moral view of things, but Taishi simply returned them to the stone age. I just want to yell in the face of the lamia leader, “What are you doing, you fool!?”.

 

[Monn12]

I don’t know what the author thinks

He doesn't or not enough. He opens questions but doesn't think deeply enough about them. Most of authors ideas can be easily beaten in submission by any scholar of idea which he provoked.

That's why I always return to the example of the lamias. I feel VERY sorry for them and everything that happens to them upsets me. They came from a monogamous society with a higher moral view of things, but Taishi simply returned them to the stone age. I just want to yell in the face of the lamia leader, “What are you doing, you fool!?”.

Polygamy (harems) isn't a stone age mentality. It is being popularized today even in "western world".
Harems are acceptable (were at least) in times of great wars where men died and women were left behind and in order to mend this high difference in male to female ratio, harems were accepted as a custom.
Also harems create great instability (especially in our times). For example if there is sufficient male to female ratio close to 1:1 then someone who creates harems, creates instability and hate. Men who can't find a woman will blame everything on harem creators. For example in 21st century "western harems" are created by idiots who openly and in public say "Women are ok with sharing me because other men are trash, so it's better to be with me than a loser". <-- How to create open hostility towards yourself.
Next point harems are hard to maintain and there are inner harem fights for inheritance and attention. Which usually results in quite ugly sight up to bloodshed.

For example in USSR after WW2 there was a great rift in female to male ratio. Due to that while harems were not allowed, men cheated a lot and women were more or less agreeable with that. Notion was: He may cheat but he sleeps and lives with me. Even today to some degree that past thinking still lingers in rural Russian lands.
What does it mean? When female to male ratio is becoming wider also the structure of our relationship changes. For example today there is a problem in China. There are a lot more men than women. This creates unreal requirements for men to achieve attention from women (instability, men just giving up and etc.).
In 1st world countries due to prolonged "peace" ratio of men is more than women. Roughly speaking only after age 40-45 there are more females than males. Naturally there are males born, if there are no conflicts there will be always more men than women. Thus we have current day dynamic even in 1st world countries:
Women standards are higher than average, so some men just give up/angry/burnout while others who have income advantage create harems or exploit their resources to gather attention from women. Boot it up with our current day materialistic world where people are more willing to do everything for money + Lack of belief in God (at least believers followed God's laws and were trying to be more virtuous). And we have a chemical reaction of instability.

What i'm trying to say monogamy and polygamy are factors and not evolutionary invention. When there is +/- 1:1 coefficient, monogamy is the most stable one and is being sought after. When male to female ratio is getting bad instability and harems start to appear. So in essence harem creation is simply a sign that your society has problems, likely due to male to female ratio (doesn't matter more males or females)

P.S. Above stated problems also mean that there will be times of war soon(something global). The greatest way to stabilise our society is to kill MEN, women requirements for men will decrease, many men that were unhappy due to overwork or inability to meet requirements will be more content. Also during great wars a lot of old people die and we have a global problem with a large amount of old people. I'm not saying this as if i'm wishing for this, those were the trends before us and despite many governments trying to resolve this peacefully, sadly it might be out of their hands.

 

[ashar321]

Polygamy (harems) isn't a stone age mentality.

I gave this example because... is it closer to what we see in the manga? Maybe polyamory could also be taken as an example. It is in the manga that we see a tribal system in which there is not even the conception of a family at all - all children are considered common, all men are considered common to all women and vice versa. It is worth noting that specifically in the village of Taishi they do not engage in other types of sex other than “classic”. It is written right here at the basic level that getting pleasure from sex is secondary. First of all, you need to conceive a child, give her a compliment when you cum inside her, “Give birth to a healthy baby from me!” and go about your business without even thinking about who will fuck her next that day or even in minutes. The concept of modern polygamy/polyamory in this case is much more “puritanical” if this word can be applied to them at all. Something similar to what we see in this particular goblin village, we can see only in the most primitive tribes, so I focus on this and still insist that in THIS case monogamy will be the result.

Harems are acceptable (were at least) in times of great wars where men died and women were left behind

All your further examples are excellent, but again they only confirm what I wrote. At this stage, there is a confrontation with nature/other kingdoms/villages in Taishi village. There is a struggle for survival and this is just as characteristic of all primitive tribes. Low infant survival rate, disease, hunger, predators, weather, etc. - There are many factors that force goblins to survive in this way. But again, with the help of Taishi, these dangers will disappear (if they do). The surrounding predators will be exterminated, vast forest areas will be cut down and planted with fields of some kind of rice (after all, he is Japanese), and nearby villages will either be destroyed or absorbed (subjugated).
Almost all the examples that you gave in this case are rather exceptions to the rules that confirm the rule itself. Wars, disasters, etc. are a clear force majeure for the survival of a single primitive village. In such cases, even if there was only one man left, the entire female tribe would literally rape him for days in order to “squeeze out” as much as possible, but again, this falls outside the concept of “ordinary life.”
Those polygamous families that you cited as an example are also not suitable for this manga, because... they still imply the concept of FAMILY. Usually such groups are quite small and are still based on some feelings rather than on some kind of necessity. In the manga, as I wrote above, sex between members of Taishi’s village is quite “ordinary” - note that they don’t even kiss each other. Banal quick sex and that's it. With Tashi himself, everything is different - he allows himself a little more pleasure with his “maids”, and now in fact actual wives. So he and these very wives have “polygamy” in the modern sense, but the rest of the tribe (goblins) definitely does not have this.

What did I want to say in my posts? The fact that right now the society that Taishi is building is faced with exactly the difficulties that you described - war, many lonely females, the need to confront everything around. Yes, RIGHT NOW he considers this society almost heavenly and correct, but he must understand that this society will then come to the very thing that he spoke about with disgust - “they will spend their youth on studying, then 10-15 years on work and Only then will they begin to think about family and children, and then in many cases they will be forced to resort to the help of doctors for artificial insemination” (the topic of conversation there was different, but these were his words and he spoke about it rather with contempt). He must understand that everything will be like this. Sooner or later.