I feel like the author kept forgetting the premise of the story he's writing. He keeps throwing in these tropes but he's forgetting that these tropes work because they're MALE-centered in MALE-centered universes. In a world with such a massive gender skew, where women are the dominant and aggressive sex, they don't work.
For example, guys being arrogant about who they date. If women are as overly aggressive as they appeared in the first couple of pages, few guys would act like that so it shouldn't be a normative thing. Why? Because getting constantly hit on and seen as a sex object doesn't innately instill confidence, it mainly instills annoyance and disgust for the people who go through it.
Another one is that part about "Treating people like equals" when looking for a guy. Author-san, in this world, GUYS should be thinking that! Women are the DOMINANT SEX! They're the ones in position of power, they're the ones initiating and objectifying by your own mouth! You literally showed us the female equivalent of a Playboy who can't take "No" for an answer hitting on MC!
It just feels like he's throwing out the premise whenever it's convenient and expecting the reader not to notice.
You're sort of making up stuff and making it to be a general truth. You don't feel disgust if there is no serious threat of violence behind being hit on. Being hit on by someone who can punch you to death if you say no is scary, not being hit on by someone you can punch to death.
Not having to be pregnant, or having to deal with a menstrual cycle, but rather while having testosterone flowing through your bloodstream 24/7 makes what you seem to think to be a universal truth actually only apply to women.
Also, they showed one asshole at the beginning who seems to be, like in real life, an epiphenomenon. Society in general in that world seems to value proactivity, not harassment, and doesn't seem to have lots of it going on because men in this society will mostly say yes anyway (because once again, the cost of sex is not the same for men and women).
You're sort of making up stuff and making it to be a general truth. You don't feel disgust if there is no serious threat of violence behind being hit on. Being hit on by someone who can punch you to death if you say no is scary, not being hit on by someone you can punch to death. Not having to be pregnant, or having to deal with a menstrual cycle, but rather while having testosterone flowing through your bloodstream 24/7 makes what you seem to think to be a universal truth actually only apply to women.
Let's try a thought experiment. A 18 year old woman is going to be hit on at least 100 times a day for 10 years. How long will it take until she's sick and tired of people hitting on her? If you legitimately think she'll suddenly stop being annoyed with attempt 101 on any given day because they're "Not scary" you're deluding yourself. Disgust with being hit on and seen as an object has nothing to do with sense of safety. It's the same reaction one gets when someone dates you only for your race, it's blatant devaluation. Something people generally don't like and not something that only applies to women.
Guys going to Japan will often get told to avoid "Gaijin hunters" like the plague. Why? Because a Gaijin Hunter has no interest in you as a person, even if they're dating you. They only want you as a trophy to show off rather than someone to be interested in. People who follow this advice do not want to be devalued to a specific trait, that annoys and disgusts them. Now, if a person experiences this scenario enough times, they instinctively get put off by it because humans have Pattern Recognition built into their subconscious. It's situational recognition.
A japanese website pointing out this very thing. Safety has nothing to do with it.
Also, they showed one asshole at the beginning who seems to be, like in real life, an epiphenomenon. Society in general in that world seems to value proactivity, not harassment, and doesn't seem to have lots of it going on because men in this society will mostly say yes anyway (because once again, the cost of sex is not the same for men and women).
I don't think you understand what was being said. I say this specifically because of the comment on the pickup chick and "Cost of sex" you're making, both of which miss the point by a large mile.
I already equated that women to a playboy who can't take no for an answer. You don't need to specify to me that she's atypical, that description should already point that out. The point of that segment (the entire comment, actually) was to talk about the fact the author both brought up and dropped the premise of the series in the same chapter. It was not to say she's the standard.
As for your "Cost of sex" statement.... What cost of sex? In a world where only 20% of the total population is male, there isn't a cost of sex. At that point, sex and reproduction is a straight up requirement for any functioning, heterosexual guy or girl. The human species would be battling constant population decline, yet somehow they're a monogamous society that has to fight for Polygamy.
Let's try a thought experiment. A 18 year old woman is going to be hit on at least 100 times a day for 10 years. How long will it take until she's sick and tired of people hitting on her? If you legitimately think she'll suddenly stop being annoyed with attempt 101 on any given day because they're "Not scary" you're deluding yourself. Disgust with being hit on and seen as an object has nothing to do with sense of safety. It's the same reaction one gets when someone dates you only for your race, it's blatant devaluation. Something people generally don't like and not something that only applies to women.
Guys going to Japan will often get told to avoid "Gaijin hunters" like the plague. Why? Because a Gaijin Hunter has no interest in you as a person, even if they're dating you. They only want you as a trophy to show off rather than someone to be interested in. People who follow this advice do not want to be devalued to a specific trait, that annoys and disgusts them. Now, if a person experiences this scenario enough times, they instinctively get put off by it because humans have Pattern Recognition built into their subconscious. It's situational recognition.
A japanese website pointing out this very thing. Safety has nothing to do with it.
most men who end up bumping uglies with gaijin hunters were actively looking for them.
most men who have issues with them are victims of the cultural gap more than any objectification because they come from societies where they are not taught how to have standards when you are the one being pursued (which in the manga would be taught)
"a japanese website" is not necessarily the objective source you think it is. I'll remind you that Japanese society is largely misogynistic and xenophobic. An assertive woman who favors foreigners will be demonized irrespective of her actual behavior. I know plenty of women who were considered gaijin hunters by their peers because they weren't into the overwhelmingly chauvinistic japanese men, hence wanted to get with foreigners, and are now happily married to a non-japanese who they love.
I don't think you understand what was being said. I say this specifically because of the comment on the pickup chick and "Cost of sex" you're making, both of which miss the point by a large mile.
I already equated that women to a playboy who can't take no for an answer. You don't need to specify to me that she's atypical, that description should already point that out. The point of that segment (the entire comment, actually) was to talk about the fact the author both brought up and dropped the premise of the series in the same chapter. It was not to say she's the standard.
As for your "Cost of sex" statement.... What cost of sex? In a world where only 20% of the total population is male, there isn't a cost of sex. At that point, sex and reproduction is a straight up requirement for any functioning, heterosexual guy or girl. The human species would be battling constant population decline, yet somehow they're a monogamous society that has to fight for Polygamy.
There is always a cost of sex, and it's even lower in this world. Having sex with a woman in the real world means bearing the responsibility of having a child, which a woman also bears on top of the bodily cost of pregnancy. In this world where men can't possibly care for all the children they'd have to maintain viable birthrates, the cost of sex for them would be to have sex, while women would still have to deal with the consequences.
Buddy it's called a thought experiment for a reason, even then, YOU were the one who brought up the topic of women disliking being hit on because they "Don't feel safe."
You literally cannot bring something up and then pretend it's not relevant to the conversation when it's rebutted.
most men who have issues with them are victims of the cultural gap more than any objectification because they come from societies where they are not taught how to have standards when you are the one being pursued (which in the manga would be taught)
What is this even supposed to mean? If someone doesn't value you as a person, no cultural barrier being removed is going to make that ok. Gaijin Hunters do not value their targets as humans. That's why some people consider them problematic.
"objective source"? It was to point out that even Japanese people know who these guys and girls are and what they're after. What objective information do I need from a website talking about people on a kink run other than "these people exist, here's their kink"?
I'll remind you that Japanese society is largely misogynistic and xenophobic. An assertive woman who favors foreigners will be demonized irrespective of her actual behavior. I know plenty of women who were considered gaijin hunters by their peers because they weren't into the overwhelmingly chauvinistic japanese men, hence wanted to get with foreigners, and are now happily married to a non-japanese who they love.
What are you even on about? How is any of this relevant to the specific topic and people we're talking about? We're not talking about some rando woman who just happens to be into foreigners, that's not not even what a Gaijin Hunter is. We're talking specifically about men and women who are using other people as their accessory because they find foreigners to be trendy notches on their belt. They're not the same and I've been very consistent and specific in pointing out who I'm talking about.
Buddy in a world of 1:5 men/women, you'll be getting a lot more than some minor gender role reversal. As was pointed out to me by someone else earlier:
The women in this world ARE physically stronger than the men, as the MC will get over powered by a child. They ARE the superior sex in this world and the ones setting the gender dynamics.
There is always a cost of sex, and it's even lower in this world. Having sex with a woman in the real world means bearing the responsibility of having a child, which a woman also bears on top of the bodily cost of pregnancy. In this world where men can't possibly care for all the children they'd have to maintain viable birthrates, the cost of sex for them would be to have sex, while women would still have to deal with the consequences.
I'm sorry? We're calling the process of reproduction a "Cost" now? Is that what I'm reading properly? Yeah, ok. That strange turn of phrase aside.
It's a monogamous society, you seem to have forgotten that part. The guys aren't running rampant having a bunch of kids to keep society afloat. The women are fighting for legalization of Polygamy because there aren't enough men to go around in general. And yet, sex isn't their requirement, it's their choice. It's also very likely their choice when they want to have kids if the "role reversal" keeps up to any significant extent, so...no there is no real cost to them at all as far as can be discerned.
