Daredemo Dakeru Kimi ga Suki - Ch. 84 - It's Nothing New

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Deadass just sexual infatuation at this point. They have no chemistry outside of the sex they have but besides that they legit suck.
saying they don't have chemistry is kinda of wrong even if their initial chemistry was onesided by gotou's based on their time as library committee members , but their later sexual chemistry was mutual , with her wanting to have more sex with him even after what he did and also her later changes where she stopped seeing other guys cus they didn't have gotou's stamina
 
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I've probably read hundreds of school festival arcs and I've never even heard of "diorama of the school" LMAO
 
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Very likely it fell on deaf ears. Gotou's reaction is giving me mindbreak vibes, hence why Shigemi's concerned reaction.

Festival arc will also be Gotou's self-imposed hikikomori cage arc and he won't leave from there unless the same Shige gives him some semblance of a hope spot or if Agawa finally decides to step down from the pedestal she placed herself and have a honest talk with him.
Agawa and honest talk in the same sentence have you not been paying attention to this story that will never happen. I don't think the author really knows how to write that.
 
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saying they don't have chemistry is kinda of wrong even if their initial chemistry was onesided by gotou's based on their time as library committee members , but their later sexual chemistry was mutual , with her wanting to have more sex with him even after what he did and also her later changes where she stopped seeing other guys cus they didn't have gotou's stamina
If you have to describe chemistry as "one sided" then its not chemistry. There is a sexual chemistry but the problem is, that is all that is there for Agawa which you then realized isn't anything special in a world where everyone is fucking. If Agawa was just a side piece then sure, that sexual chemistry would justify the lack of relationship process but the problem is that she isn't in the eyes of Gotou.
 
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Let me see if I understand, the protagonist sleeping with multiple women has real repercussions, while this Agawa girl continues doing whatever she wants and nothing happens? I had read an article that manga with submissive protagonists were trending, but I didn't think it was this serious.
 
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I'm happy that Shigechi pointed out that the whole harem idea was never going to work out since it always bugged me that Shiina and Akito of all people would stick to Gotou all of a sudden considering their characters. Akito was in love with Gotou for a long time and was willing to compete with Agawa for him so for her to suddenly accept sharing him didn't make sense to me. Shiina on the other hand was a slut before meeting Gotou and it seems her primary motive with him was to cuck Agawa by fucking the guy she was showing interest in, while Gotou may be able to satisfy her, we haven't seen her complaining about other guys in the first place so it seems contrived for her to suddenly stick to him all of a sudden.

One thing I've been wondering though is why some people are getting pressed at Gotou taking so many Ls all of a sudden, it's been established that Gotou is extremely retarded with him and Inukai being the same type of guy. Idk if its self inserting or something like that but I think it's better to just laugh at Gotou rather than feel bad for him and get upset at what's happening to him.
 
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If you have to describe chemistry as "one sided" then its not chemistry. There is a sexual chemistry but the problem is, that is all that is there for Agawa which you then realized isn't anything special in a world where everyone is fucking. If Agawa was just a side piece then sure, that sexual chemistry would justify the lack of relationship process but the problem is that she isn't in the eyes of Gotou.
Calling it “no chemistry” is just redefining chemistry as “exactly the kind of relationship I personally approve of.” The chemistry is there, it is just asymmetrical at first.

Early on, the pull is mostly one-sided from Gotou, based on their time as library committee members before he even knows about her reputation. Later, the sexual chemistry is clearly mutual: she keeps wanting to sleep with him, tries to keep him away from her sister, and eventually stops seeing other guys because they do not satisfy her the way he does.

You can say you hate that kind of messy, sex-first relationship. That is fair. But it is not accurate to say “no chemistry” or “only generic sex” when the story literally shows her changing her behavior and preferences specifically for him.

Also, expecting her to suddenly build a clean, emotionally healthy relationship when she is still deeply wounded and has not had any real healing yet is asking for the impossible. She is still a broken character who is afraid of true intimacy and vulnerability, and the story is consistent with that.
 
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I'm happy that Shigechi pointed out that the whole harem idea was never going to work out since it always bugged me that Shiina and Akito of all people would stick to Gotou all of a sudden considering their characters. Akito was in love with Gotou for a long time and was willing to compete with Agawa for him so for her to suddenly accept sharing him didn't make sense to me. Shiina on the other hand was a slut before meeting Gotou and it seems her primary motive with him was to cuck Agawa by fucking the guy she was showing interest in, while Gotou may be able to satisfy her, we haven't seen her complaining about other guys in the first place so it seems contrived for her to suddenly stick to him all of a sudden.

One thing I've been wondering though is why some people are getting pressed at Gotou taking so many Ls all of a sudden, it's been established that Gotou is extremely retarded with him and Inukai being the same type of guy. Idk if its self inserting or something like that but I think it's better to just laugh at Gotou rather than feel bad for him and get upset at what's happening to him.
I do not believe Gotou and Inukai are the same. Gotou only starts to resemble Inukai after he begins copying him, because he is panicking and trying to become what he thinks Agawa wants. That is not his natural state, it is him bending himself out of shape. This is even spelled out in the latest chapter when he says he actually likes “romantic sex.” He turned himself into something he assumed Agawa wanted, and when she finally saw that version of him, she rejected it.

That fake persona destruction is what triggered the current ED arc. It was fragile and completely disconnected from who he really is. His “Ls” are not just for comedy, they are the story breaking down that false version of himself so it can rebuild him in a way that fits his real self, the eager, loving guy with a lot of stamina that Agawa liked in the beginning.
 
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Calling it “no chemistry” is just redefining chemistry as “exactly the kind of relationship I personally approve of.” The chemistry is there, it is just asymmetrical at first.

Early on, the pull is mostly one-sided from Gotou, based on their time as library committee members before he even knows about her reputation. Later, the sexual chemistry is clearly mutual: she keeps wanting to sleep with him, tries to keep him away from her sister, and eventually stops seeing other guys because they do not satisfy her the way he does.

You can say you hate that kind of messy, sex-first relationship. That is fair. But it is not accurate to say “no chemistry” or “only generic sex” when the story literally shows her changing her behavior and preferences specifically for him.

Also, expecting her to suddenly build a clean, emotionally healthy relationship when she is still deeply wounded and has not had any real healing yet is asking for the impossible. She is still a broken character who is afraid of true intimacy and vulnerability, and the story is consistent with that.
What? The whole reason why chemistry is called chemistry is because its all about how two things react or interact I'm not redefining anything. I said they have a sexual chemistry but the problem is, that's all and it means even less in this type of story

This is a story where everyone is fucking everyone else, clearly all these people aren't in love so any idea that personal affection = sex already goes out the window. Thats all that is shown on the table to justify Gotou's affection for Agawa though. The don't seem especially close in a friendship sort of way, they don't make each other better, outside of sex they barely hang out. The moment Gotou starts to build sexual chemistry with other girls and they can also provide more than just that (which we have already seen) you immediately question why he's even so infatuated with her in the first place unless you believe that Agawa pussy game is in another universe.

Also I really don't care that she's still "broken", she's not getting any development or screen time so why should I care? She somehow manages to be barely a character yet have all the plot draw of a typical rom fmc.
 
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I do not believe Gotou and Inukai are the same. Gotou only starts to resemble Inukai after he begins copying him, because he is panicking and trying to become what he thinks Agawa wants. That is not his natural state, it is him bending himself out of shape. This is even spelled out in the latest chapter when he says he actually likes “romantic sex.” He turned himself into something he assumed Agawa wanted, and when she finally saw that version of him, she rejected it.
When I say that Gotou and Inukai are the same, I don't mean in every way but moreso that they are overwhelmingly driven by their dicks (it's my fault for not being more clear about this). This ranges from Gotou fucking Akito for the first time even though he knows Akito wants something romantic while he doesn't, him jerking off all night and getting zeros in his tests results. And now with him saying he wants to be with all three girls despite the fact that the girls he's choosing may not be satisfied by that, evident in the threesome he has with Akito and Shiina where Akito says she loves Gotou while Gotou says he likes Akito. This even includes the retcon threesome where he chooses to fuck Shiina even though Agawa is the one he truly wants and Agawa shows visible signs of discomfort during the threesome - while this might be more excusable considering Agawa did push him into this and Gotou is still a teen, I think the other points still hold up.
That fake persona destruction is what triggered the current ED arc. It was fragile and completely disconnected from who he really is. His “Ls” are not just for comedy, they are the story breaking down that false version of himself so it can rebuild him in a way that fits his real self, the eager, loving guy with a lot of stamina that Agawa liked in the beginning.
Obviously his L's are not just for comedy, there wouldn't be much of a story (less than we currently have) if that was the case, I'm mainly criticising people who act offended that Takeda is making Gotou suffer so much when he deserves it in most cases. Due to the humourous ways his suffering is presented, I think it's fair to laugh at it - of course your more serious interpretation makes sense and I largely agree with it.
 
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What? The whole reason why chemistry is called chemistry is because its all about how two things react or interact I'm not redefining anything. I said they have a sexual chemistry but the problem is, that's all and it means even less in this type of story

This is a story where everyone is fucking everyone else, clearly all these people aren't in love so any idea that personal affection = sex already goes out the window. Thats all that is shown on the table to justify Gotou's affection for Agawa though. The don't seem especially close in a friendship sort of way, they don't make each other better, outside of sex they barely hang out. The moment Gotou starts to build sexual chemistry with other girls and they can also provide more than just that (which we have already seen) you immediately question why he's even so infatuated with her in the first place unless you believe that Agawa pussy game is in another universe.

Also I really don't care that she's still "broken", she's not getting any development or screen time so why should I care? She somehow manages to be barely a character yet have all the plot draw of a typical rom fmc.
That's pretty much what im saying myself. Outside of sex they have none whatsoever to justify catching feelings for each other.
 
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What? The whole reason why chemistry is called chemistry is because its all about how two things react or interact I'm not redefining anything. I said they have a sexual chemistry but the problem is, that's all and it means even less in this type of story

This is a story where everyone is fucking everyone else, clearly all these people aren't in love so any idea that personal affection = sex already goes out the window. Thats all that is shown on the table to justify Gotou's affection for Agawa though. The don't seem especially close in a friendship sort of way, they don't make each other better, outside of sex they barely hang out. The moment Gotou starts to build sexual chemistry with other girls and they can also provide more than just that (which we have already seen) you immediately question why he's even so infatuated with her in the first place unless you believe that Agawa pussy game is in another universe.

Also I really don't care that she's still "broken", she's not getting any development or screen time so why should I care? She somehow manages to be barely a character yet have all the plot draw of a typical rom fmc.
I am fine dropping the word “chemistry” for the early phase and calling it one-sided attraction if you prefer. The important part is: Gotou’s pull toward Agawa starts during their time as library committee members, before he knows about her reputation. He likes that she is kind to him, that she accepts his shyness, and that she is surprisingly responsible at home. That is a specific, grounded reason tied to their shared history, not “pussy game in another universe.”


Saying “everyone is fucking, so sex means nothing” actually shows why her change is important. In a world where casual sex is normal, generic sexual chemistry really is cheap. That is exactly why Agawa’s behavior around Gotou stands out:
– she keeps wanting sex specifically with him even when it would be easier to replace him,
– she panics about him becoming sex friends with her sister because she is terrified of losing him in the same pattern as in the past,
– she starts rejecting other guys because they do not satisfy her the way he does.

If sex were truly interchangeable for her, none of that would be necessary. The setting being saturated with sex makes her preference for him more meaningful, not less.


As for his other sexual adventures with the president and Akito, it all comes back to Agawa. He started his relationship with the president because Agawa initially suggested it, then said she would not be a good match. The president in turn manipulated his desire to know more about Agawa into having sex with her. Everything revolves around Agawa.


Saying “she is broken but I do not care because no development/screentime” is just you describing your own engagement with her, which is fair. But that is different from claiming there is nothing there. We already have her wound, her avoidance of intimacy, and her inconsistent “anyone is fine” stance breaking down around Gotou. You can absolutely say the pacing of her development it's infuriating, but declaring she has nothing to her while her arc is still ongoing is not really a fair read of what is on the page.
 
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Kume is still getting a lot of camera? is she really going to join the harem? I thought it was left clear she liked the other dude...
 
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When I say that Gotou and Inukai are the same, I don't mean in every way but moreso that they are overwhelmingly driven by their dicks (it's my fault for not being more clear about this). This ranges from Gotou fucking Akito for the first time even though he knows Akito wants something romantic while he doesn't, him jerking off all night and getting zeros in his tests results. And now with him saying he wants to be with all three girls despite the fact that the girls he's choosing may not be satisfied by that, evident in the threesome he has with Akito and Shiina where Akito says she loves Gotou while Gotou says he likes Akito. This even includes the retcon threesome where he chooses to fuck Shiina even though Agawa is the one he truly wants and Agawa shows visible signs of discomfort during the threesome - while this might be more excusable considering Agawa did push him into this and Gotou is still a teen, I think the other points still hold up.

Obviously his L's are not just for comedy, there wouldn't be much of a story (less than we currently have) if that was the case, I'm mainly criticising people who act offended that Takeda is making Gotou suffer so much when he deserves it in most cases. Due to the humourous ways his suffering is presented, I think it's fair to laugh at it - of course your more serious interpretation makes sense and I largely agree with it.
You are completely right that Gotou is a self-centered, stupid, horny teenager who is currently unable to navigate his relationships properly because of his uncontrolled desires. If a girl says “let’s fuck,” he is already halfway there. I see the story as his growth from this lost horny gremlin into a more functional horny young adult, and Takeda keeps highlighting his failures on that path.

The threesome with the president, in my view, was a “compromise” between his love for Agawa and his horniness, where he basically went “por que no los dos.” His sex with Akito happens just because she wants it and he cannot bring himself to say no also trying to follow Agawa suggestion of more sex friends . His mimicking of Inukai to try to become a “real” playboy is the same thing: him forcing a role that does not fit. All of this is him trying and failing miserably, and possibly learning something along the way.

TL;DR : He's a horny idiot
 
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I am fine dropping the word “chemistry” for the early phase and calling it one-sided attraction if you prefer. The important part is: Gotou’s pull toward Agawa starts during their time as library committee members, before he knows about her reputation. He likes that she is kind to him, that she accepts his shyness, and that she is surprisingly responsible at home. That is a specific, grounded reason tied to their shared history, not “pussy game in another universe.”
Agawa herself doesn't even know she's into Gotou so I doubt Gotou knows she's into him unless you mean purely physical in which case, so are. I also think that you are stretching the kindness and the bit that is there is very frontloaded.
Saying “everyone is fucking, so sex means nothing” actually shows why her change is important. In a world where casual sex is normal, generic sexual chemistry really is cheap. That is exactly why Agawa’s behavior around Gotou stands out:
– she keeps wanting sex specifically with him even when it would be easier to replace him,
I mean if she is into the sex then wouldn't her next option be to go out and try and find a similar experience which is exactly what she did during the break?
– she panics about him becoming sex friends with her sister because she is terrified of losing him in the same pattern as in the past,
Ok but what does that have to do with any sense of intimate change with Agawa? Agawa literally paraded Gotou on a tour to find other sex friends right before meeting the pres so either she knew everyone was going to reject him (which if true, so much for "kindness") or she just doesn't want to lose him as a sex friend to the pres in which case there is no intimate change there and quite frankly the story thus far paints the pres as a much more beneficial sex friend than Agawa.
– she starts rejecting other guys because they do not satisfy her the way he does.
Ok but all this points out is that she's down bad physically, and since its just physically she is able to keep searching for ways to satisfy her which is what she is doing.
If sex were truly interchangeable for her, none of that would be necessary. The setting being saturated with sex makes her preference for him more meaningful, not less.


As for his other sexual adventures with the president and Akito, it all comes back to Agawa. He started his relationship with the president because Agawa initially suggested it, then said she would not be a good match. The president in turn manipulated his desire to know more about Agawa into having sex with her. Everything revolves around Agawa.


Saying “she is broken but I do not care because no development/screentime” is just you describing your own engagement with her, which is fair. But that is different from claiming there is nothing there. We already have her wound, her avoidance of intimacy, and her inconsistent “anyone is fine” stance breaking down around Gotou. You can absolutely say the pacing of her development it's infuriating, but declaring she has nothing to her while her arc is still ongoing is not really a fair read of what is on the page.
I don't think thats different at all. You are saying that everything revolves around Agawa, I agree, so then why is this plot revolving around a character who has so little screen time or development? Like think of the little that we know of Awaga, how much of that has come through direct interaction between Gotou and Agawa and how much has come from interaction with Gotou and a third party talking about Agawa? And then the third party ends up being directly involved in solving some issues Gotou has while Agawa, the fmc, is off, outside the screen, not developing, probably cooking up another issue that Gotou will be tied to, that a different third party will help resolve.
 
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Agawa herself doesn't even know she's into Gotou so I doubt Gotou knows she's into him unless you mean purely physical in which case, so are. I also think that you are stretching the kindness and the bit that is there is very frontloaded.

I mean if she is into the sex then wouldn't her next option be to go out and try and find a similar experience which is exactly what she did during the break?

Ok but what does that have to do with any sense of intimate change with Agawa? Agawa literally paraded Gotou on a tour to find other sex friends right before meeting the pres so either she knew everyone was going to reject him (which if true, so much for "kindness") or she just doesn't want to lose him as a sex friend to the pres in which case there is no intimate change there and quite frankly the story thus far paints the pres as a much more beneficial sex friend than Agawa.

Ok but all this points out is that she's down bad physically, and since its just physically she is able to keep searching for ways to satisfy her which is what she is doing.

I don't think thats different at all. You are saying that everything revolves around Agawa, I agree, so then why is this plot revolving around a character who has so little screen time or development? Like think of the little that we know of Awaga, how much of that has come through direct interaction between Gotou and Agawa and how much has come from interaction with Gotou and a third party talking about Agawa? And then the third party ends up being directly involved in solving some issues Gotou has while Agawa, the fmc, is off, outside the screen, not developing, probably cooking up another issue that Gotou will be tied to, that a different third party will help resolve.

I actually agree that Agawa is pretty underdeveloped right now as a character.Most of what we know about her comes from other people talking about her or from how she acts, not from her own focused arc.

I am not saying “actually she is super developed,” because I do not think that is true yet. I am saying the setup leaves a lot of room for a later turn where the focus finally shifts to her side, her head, and her healing. If the manga ends or moves on without ever giving her that, then I will fully agree she was wasted. Right now I am just holding out hope that the current imbalance is intentional build up for a future Agawa centered payoff
 
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Ya I like Kume being the straight man & laying it all out for Gotou. Honestly he's better off without Agawa but I doubt the author will go that route since she is the FMC of this story. Thanks for the translations.
Which is dumb because she’s become an afterthought at this point and in my opinion should be cut from the story. Still waiting for character development but knowing how horny the author is I won’t hold by breath
 

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