Dark Gathering - Ch. 77 - Plea Bargain

[bosbarret]

She will slip by that pupil condition, I doubt she wants these people judging her methods, even more that guy bugging her

Same. The MC should be the one applying the standard to the mobs, not the other way around

 

[Forikorder]

Sort of unclear if she actually made things worse on a grand scale. Short term, the power vacuum is creating a lot of problems. Long term, a single extremely powerful ghost kills more people per year and involves way more risk to exorcise than a lot of lesser ghosts.

unlikely, each ghost needs to eat the same amount, having one ghost that eats to survive means less dead people than a hundred ghosts eating to survive, and if one has risen to the alpha of the area it has less reason to hunt than if several ghosts are all trying to out eat their rivals so they can take over

its possible they do periodically clean up haunted spots and groom them to have the least aggressive ghosts take over that pose minimal risk to the surrounding areas

 

[Ignore]

Yayoi's stunt basically status quo vs possible breakthrough. Status quo is nice, not having such powerful threat is also nice for average people that are not top ones. If they can manage turbulent period of power vaccuum, and actually dealt with the more dangerous fellas, the weaker ones will be more manageable

@Forikorder

It's like the classic 'would you rather fight 100 duck-sized horses, or one horse-sized duck in a cage?' question. The reason I tend toward 'could be better' is that with a few extra people, the duck-sized horses are potentially beatable, while the horse-sized duck is not.

Powerful ghosts don't actually keep large territories safe from smaller ones, they just crush any that happen to bother them.

 

[TheSilverPhantom]

She will slip by that pupil condition, I doubt she wants these people judging her methods, even more that guy bugging her

Hopefully she won't get affected by his nonsense of widening her circle and protecting humanity

Same. The MC should be the one applying the standard to the mobs, not the other way around

It may not seem much from what we have been shown so far, but Yayoi is a danger to society.
This analogy might simplify the situation, but if she were given the chance of enacting retribution on all the Replaced, yet said retribution would endanger other innocents (except those she cared about). She will choose to enact retribution with no hesitation.

 

[Forikorder]

@Forikorder

It's like the classic 'would you rather fight 100 duck-sized horses, or one horse-sized duck in a cage?' question. The reason I tend toward 'could be better' is that with a few extra people, the duck-sized horses are potentially beatable, while the horse-sized duck is not.

Powerful ghosts don't actually keep large territories safe from smaller ones, they just crush any that happen to bother them.

i think the proper view point is "what causes more danger to an area 100 racoons or one bear" as long as its just one bear then its going to stick to its space and you can focus on just not letting people go into that part of the woods but 100 racoons arent going to live in the same spot, they have to spread out and fight with the other racoons over food

as long as the asura was at I-gate no other ghost could take over the area and any strong ghost would be hunted by him, and as a bonus he was only active at night so he was less of a danger, but with him gone other ghost would see the territory as valuable and their competition could spill over into other areas as they try to find fuel to fight for it or the one who wins and claims it could then attack people in the daytime killing more than the asura ever did

it could also be a question of how much peace they bought, if there is already a new ghost in the old old f tunnel killing people who venture there then taking out the sinner didnt really accomplish much in the first place so they only focus on dealing with ghosts that are in a position to endanger population centers not the ones living far away that most people wouldnt travel to and if they ever start becoming a "horse size duck" and too big for them to easily roll then they come in and make sure its taken care of

 

[Golgo13]

It's the other way around, fella. You should be begging Yayoi to allow you to become her pupil.

 

[docterderp]

They are super lucky that she likes Grandma.

I wonder how this would have gone down if she wasn't there to placate Yayoi.

 

[rckvnka]

Yayoi is sooo cool!

Thanks a lot for the update

 

[Ignore]

i think the proper view point is "what causes more danger to an area 100 racoons or one bear" as long as its just one bear then its going to stick to its space and you can focus on just not letting people go into that part of the woods but 100 racoons arent going to live in the same spot, they have to spread out and fight with the other racoons over food

as long as the asura was at I-gate no other ghost could take over the area and any strong ghost would be hunted by him, and as a bonus he was only active at night so he was less of a danger, but with him gone other ghost would see the territory as valuable and their competition could spill over into other areas as they try to find fuel to fight for it or the one who wins and claims it could then attack people in the daytime killing more than the asura ever did

it could also be a question of how much peace they bought, if there is already a new ghost in the old old f tunnel killing people who venture there then taking out the sinner didnt really accomplish much in the first place so they only focus on dealing with ghosts that are in a position to endanger population centers not the ones living far away that most people wouldnt travel to and if they ever start becoming a "horse size duck" and too big for them to easily roll then they come in and make sure its taken care of

Our views actually aren't far apart. Like you, I think the Spiritualists focus their pro-bono work on heavily trafficked areas, and think in terms of pest control. What I feel is that ghosts largely stick to a specific location, and can't reproduce. A calamity like Taisei or the other Graduate levels will crush ghosts that cross their path, but don't care about expanding their territories. If anything, I'd guess you're at greater risk of supernatural threats in the areas near them than you would be elsewhere... because Spiritualists will be afraid to approach. It was made clear by the quick death of a Replaced Spiritualist who confronted a Graduate level ghost that there's no reliable way for mortals to gauge relative strength ahead of time. By contrast, we know ghosts have keen perceptions for threats and find people with supernatural powers very tasty. So, a weak Spiritualist runs the risk of becoming actively hunted as chow of they try to do pest control anywhere they could be sensed by the horse-sized duck. Or be ambushed on patrol if the monster is clever enough to view them as potential threat. A power vacuum is bad because ghosts don't need to lay low, but the Spiritualists will know those ghosts were too weak to warrant attention from the local champ, and as such the Spiritualists can do a patrol without the risk of casualties (even weak ones can be as valuable to society as a doctor).

 

[Kyte]

at the end of the day, a shakeup to the status quo is not necessarily a bad thing and there's no guarantee going through the proper channels would've led to anything, but the hard fact still is that yayoi running off on her own led to avoidable trouble.
so it's kinda yeah some good and some bad but either way the spiritualists gotta contain the bull in the china shop.

 

[nhansieu1]

So, there aren't any victims. I guess there is a reason why he has the title of the strongest.

I guess it's more his own confidence in his strength than in his underestimating her. He can do more than Yayoi at the same age, has more knowledge and experience, and from the last chapter, we know he is a hard-working genius, too. Even if she trains as his pupil, there is a big difference in the time spent honing their abilities.

On another note, she will definitely agree to become his pupil. Although she has been doing fine for two years with what she knows, in this chapter, she is forced to realise that she is still lacking specialised knowledge. Yayoi already acknowledges this after the battle with Taisai, and Oobashi is an Onmyouji, a specialist who can create a contract with a spiritual being and use them as shikigami to fight, just like Yayoi did.

she is not doing fine at all. Multiple times her allies almost died.

 

[TheSilverPhantom]

she is not doing fine at all. Multiple times her allies almost died.

You're right, I kinda forgot about it, this fight clearly shows that.

 

[Ignore]

I wonder how this would have gone down if she wasn't there to placate Yayoi.

BETTER for Yayoi. Yayoi knew she was outmatched. Granny being around to cover for her gave her the confidence to mouth off in spite of that. Gojo went to the train after saying "I have the deciding vote, and intend to make an informed decision. If she really is a threat to humanity that half of you think, I'll give her a quick death." As a result of Yayoi acting like a rabid animal she made terrible first impressions at an organization which, like it or not, she WILL be monitored by or working for the rest of her life (and possibly afterlife as well).

 

[Ignore]

It's the other way around, fella. You should be begging Yayoi to allow you to become her pupil.

She's got only one thing the Spiritualists don't: 3-D printed jelly shikigami. As a result of being nigh-unkillable her group has been able to narrowly win...

She will slip by that pupil condition, I doubt she wants these people judging her methods, even more that guy bugging her

Hopefully she won't get affected by his nonsense of widening her circle and protecting humanity

...smug ane selfish as she is, I'm sure she will try to wheedle out of some apprenticeship restrictions, but if she wants even more power (she does) she'll be open to learning skills...

im curious what he even plans by it, personally i dont think he plans to actually teach her anything aside from methods to use her contract with taisai better and just wants her associated with him so he has control over her during major events like whatever the replaced are planning

it would basically be like how Seimei gave her the notebook and some advice but otherwise didnt get involved in kyoto

Yayoi training arc begins!

Can you imagine what it would be like if Yayoi learned how to make bunrei? Imagine a team of Yayois fighting.

...but these will only be usable IF she actually has psychic powers.

When you realized compared to every top spiritualist, Yayoi is basically as low as she could be, she's basically just armed with her abilities to see ghost, and her extensive knowledge, intelligence, and her experiment

So far these are the only capabilities there is evidence of her having, and with 'powers' being rarer than sensory aptitudes, the statistical odds are that she's got nothing more to show.

Ironically, despite her contempt for the organization and excellent combat instincts, Yayoi's optimal role would be 'back line logistics and HR officer'. Keep the shikigami technology secret, get hairs from Spiritualists with offensive capabilities; if they're trustworthy the new defenses allow them to safely collect ghosts to stash in the arsenal. Map the ley lines, position the weaponry, and turn the showdown with the egg into an arrest with a warrant rather than a battle for the fate of the world.

 

[Forikorder]

She's got only one thing the Spiritualists don't: 3-D printed jelly shikigami. As a result of being nigh-unkillable her group has been able to narrowly win...


...smug ane selfish as she is, I'm sure she will try to wheedle out of some apprenticeship restrictions, but if she wants even more power (she does) she'll be open to learning skills...



...but these will only be usable IF she actually has psychic powers.

So far these are the only capabilities there is evidence of her having, and with 'powers' being rarer than sensory aptitudes, the statistical odds are that she's got nothing more to show.

Ironically, despite her contempt for the organization and excellent combat instincts, Yayoi's optimal role would be 'back line logistics and HR officer'. Keep the shikigami technology secret, get hairs from Spiritualists with offensive capabilities; if they're trustworthy the new defenses allow them to safely collect ghosts to stash in the arsenal. Map the ley lines, position the weaponry, and turn the showdown with the egg into an arrest with a warrant rather than a battle for the fate of the world.

Its unlikely that she has no potential since shami and jogan seperately scouted her

Even if she doesnt, she still used the marbas ring and mega evolved taira so she can still learn and use techniques

And once she knows how she can wield taisais power directly through the contract

As for what she brings, the graduates are comparable to 4 gods, she knows about kubo and can track it, she knows about the fetishs and not only has one but can track the other, she also potentially still has an in with the replaced but knows some of their plans and the infinite dolls are a big deal

When it comes to fighting the replaced yayoi is miles ahead

 

[Ignore]

Its unlikely that she has no potential since shami and jogan seperately scouted her

Even if she doesnt, she still used the marbas ring and mega evolved taira so she can still learn and use techniques

And once she knows how she can wield taisais power directly through the contract

As for what she brings, the graduates are comparable to 4 gods, she knows about kubo and can track it, she knows about the fetishs and not only has one but can track the other, she also potentially still has an in with the replaced but knows some of their plans and the infinite dolls are a big deal

When it comes to fighting the replaced yayoi is miles ahead

She was scouted on the basis of accomplishments, and has kept her methods secret. It'd be logical for Spiritualists to assume a little kid with those is like Kenpachi - so much reiatsu attacks glance off, and strength sufficient to win without any formal training.

When I said she didn't have much to offer, I meant in terms of techniques (other than advanced shikigami) and fighting power. The Spiritualists mentioned subduing a god was a coming-of-age milestone for voting members. So, even if we assume Graduates are on the stronger end, they aren't enough to make Yayoi an equal partner in negotiations (and while Gojo doesn't know all the specifics, he's figured out that Yayoi can't bring power to bear without meeting cumbersome restrictions).

Totally agree that Yayoi is ahead on fighting the Replaced. Her real value is her intellect, which, unfortunately, is going to be hard to persuade allies of since she is a small child who demonstrated impulsivity, arrogance, and violent tendencies.

 

[Forikorder]

She was scouted on the basis of accomplishments, and has kept her methods secret. It'd be logical for Spiritualists to assume a little kid with those is like Kenpachi - so much reiatsu attacks glance off, and strength sufficient to win without any formal training.

When I said she didn't have much to offer, I meant in terms of techniques (other than advanced shikigami) and fighting power. The Spiritualists mentioned subduing a god was a coming-of-age milestone for voting members. So, even if we assume Graduates are on the stronger end, they aren't enough to make Yayoi an equal partner in negotiations (and while Gojo doesn't know all the specifics, he's figured out that Yayoi can't bring power to bear without meeting cumbersome restrictions).

Totally agree that Yayoi is ahead on fighting the Replaced. Her real value is her intellect, which, unfortunately, is going to be hard to persuade allies of since she is a small child who demonstrated impulsivity, arrogance, and violent tendencies.

Shami didnt but jogan watched the fight and knew

 

[Ignore]

Shami didnt but jogan watched the fight and knew

I'd forgotten! Still, he couldn't tell how she tanked blows. If he had a way of determining her cursed energy reserves (he did not), we still couldn't conclude anything from the invitation. He saw she could get results, and could teach her all about seals, purification rituals, etc.

 

[Forikorder]

I'd forgotten! Still, he couldn't tell how she tanked blows. If he had a way of determining her cursed energy reserves (he did not), we still couldn't conclude anything from the invitation. He saw she could get results, and could teach her all about seals, purification rituals, etc.

its possible he can sense power and knows she has some its also possible that its something anyone can get through training

regardless veering more and more into pure speculation

 

[haunterex]

If Yayoi gets away from being a pupil, she will find ways to countermeasure the Spiritualists, no matter how powerful they are.

By what she has seen so far she can conclude that, if any friend/family of her needs to die to keep the greater good and society stability, the Spiritualists will let them die. So they can't be trusted by her terms.

And I think some Spiritualists already think Yayoi is a headache to keep around like that Levi guy, as if the benefits don't outweigh the risks. Maybe that's why that guy wants her to be his pupil, to keep others from getting rid of her.