Dou ka Ore wo Houtte Oitekure - Vol. 3 Ch. 15 - That Isn't the Face I Want to See on Hanamitsuji, Right?

[TestAddress]

gets bitches that actually care about him, that itself is a fantasy. all this man does is lose

He tries to lose, but he succeeds so well at his failures.
Failure to success, man.

 

[TestAddress]

I mean, what if it isn’t always an excuse? What if they genuinely did try so fucking hard, but to no avail, it failed miserably? I don’t think someone would be willing to get up from that point again, unless they’re really strong willed.

I had a socially awkward colleague in her 30's. There really are people who are hard to approach. Sometimes because of their self-absorption, others having many internal conflicts in their thoughts.

Really, it may be difficult, but it is easy.

 

[CinderSquall]

I'm just gonna keep repeating this again and again since there some people who just won't let it die down...

This isn't remotely close to Oregairu... the actual better comparison for this series is Tomozaki-kun...

Also to the people that says MC has an "easy" option of gaining friends via the girls... let me just remind you that Hanamitsuji and the Gyaru both told MC to at the very least avoid talking to them in public. The only "real" choice MC had is with the class president and that one MC has the hurdle of potentially dragging her name down because of his way of saving the Gyaru... So unless Hanamitsuji, Class Pres and the Gyaru actively clears up his name he doesn't have this so-called "easy" way of gaining friends.

I was prepared to see a lot of "terrible" takes in the comments because of what happened this chapter but I wasn't expecting and am glad to see more people that's discussing it more empathically.

 

[FFUJIN]

Too much romanticize "loner". No one a loner call self "loner wolf" to other people. Loner in real life stay away from problem, call self "loner wolf" like you want fight to other people.

 

[Luke_chase]

What’s that? #end? Guess I’ll mark this manga as complete

 

[rozert]

Wanting to be alone is completely fine. However, based on the past few dialogues, MMC seems to not be sure if that is really what he wants or just a coping mechanism. It's most likely the latter so I hope MMC will change, but I'm not betting on the author achieving it in a natural and sensible way....

Lots of people harping on the cliche lone wolf analogy but missing out on FMC saying she basically wished MMC dead if she knew he wouldn't change lol

Also bunch of people think that MMC is dense when there isn't really that kind of romance in the air at all lol. It's more like FMC feels close to MMC due to their unique relationship and the time travel commonality. If anything, she probably feels more like playing savior rather than lover.

I guess you kinda misunderstood. She didn't say that she wanted him dead, but that she didn't rewind time that much or such

 

[Jerslo]

Too much romanticize "loner". No one a loner call self "loner wolf" to other people. Loner in real life stay away from problem, call self "loner wolf" like you want fight to other people.

Eh didn't he literally keep telling her during most of the chapters that he didn't want to talk to people and that he wanted to avoid trouble, he was brought back from the dead just so she could see him make friends for some reason

 

[Jerslo]

Spoiler: I basically wrote an essay here, don't worry though, I was fair in the amount of hate I gave to both characters.

FMC finally admits that she has been forcing her ideas and expectations on MC, yay, we have been correct all along (who could've guessed?) But for that 1 win, the clearest and most basic win that 90% of the readers insisted that "no, it's not FMC forcing her own ideas onto FMC, it's just her wanting to help MC fits in" yeah, you can eat shits now.

But for that, what did we have to pay?
-Just a few pages above, FMC yelled at MC for "not caring about her and others' feeling" Oh wow, so you did care about MC's feeling when you were forcing your ideas on him all this time huh? Because if you had, you would've have already noticed how many fucking times MC made clear that he was fine with his life as it was and didn't want to change it.
-She can't believe that MC said she getting close to him will cause him trouble even though I'm pretty sure MC have already said that 2 times before already.
-You won't ask him to forgive you? Bruh, I'm not even bother explaining this, we have seen this line so many times before in many different storys and everytime, it's just as shit as the others.

But it's not like any of my points here and all of the previous one matter anyway. Cause after spending all of his time telling her to leave him alone, the mf can't even follow through on his words for even a second because "Oh no, I snapped at her and now she is sad, I'm regretting and feeling guilty now, better go over everything that has happened."

Let's us now turn our attention toward MC, I haven't talked much about him all this time his problems are just:
-I kinda like FMC, maybe just maybe, wait no, I'm just a loner, I'll never have the chance anyway, better not wanting something to happen. *he then wants smt to happen and it loops back to the start.
-Socialising is kinda fun, but I'll never fit in. *take part in socialising again and it loops back again.
This is basically his whole character, obviously there're more but it's just different numbers being in the same formula over and over.

I know as much as you guys how much of a loser and a bitch MC is, like, just in this chapter alone:
-MC said that he chose the wrong answer because there are actual people in the problem. But it's not, there is no such thing as a right or wrong in life, and especially not in interpersonal relationship, it's up to you to decide whether it was a good or bad choice, it's also up to you to hold on to the choice, so MC here decided that the choice was correct, but then as soon as he sees FMC sad face, it all collapsed. When he said he was an idiot, ok maybe he was, but not in this situation, it was because he was weak-willed.
-Also whether the choice is good or bad, it only applies to you, in this case, the other option would be to keep it all in and continue to go along with FMC, which to MC would be a bad choice, but to FMC, who clearly doesn't share the same thought process, might think it was a good choice. So it's up to you to choose, it's also up to you to face what comes with that decision.
-And the last line, yes, yes you can, you can just end everything there, but would you choose it, accept it, move on from it? No, you're weak-willed, you aren't able to choose the difficult choice, and you definitely not strong enough to maintain the choice and face what might come with it.

Problem is that while all of us know how shit MC is, 90% of you are incapable of realising (or refusing) the fact that FMC is also just as shit, both of them are shit, not as a character, a character's purpose is to attract attention no matter if it's the good or bad kind, and in that regard the author has done a fantastic job. They're however, just horse shit as a human being, basic reasoning, higher thinking level,..... they both don't have any, you wouldn't able to see a human who acts like that in the real world. What pissed me off though, is the fact that mostly MC is criticized for it, while FMC not just get away scot-free but get praised instead.

This manga is a brilliantly made trap, people who often thinks on the more simple, straight forward side are more "attracted" to MC, while those whose thinking process is more sophisticated and complex are "attracted" to both MC and FMC, and both types are desperate to see how everything will conclude (the uses of the word "attracted" here are in no way positive) The author made the characters so "good" that even though I know it pains me everytime I read this, I just can't stop.

I must admit this guy has a weird mindset but he has my respect by being different from all of us

 

[Overgrowth23]

At his core the mc is someone who doesn't -want- to be alone, but he is so used to being alone that he's convinced himself that things are better off that way. This chapter has him starting to realize that hanging out with her kinda rekindled in him a desire to not be alone anymore, but reflexively he still has his walls up, putting him in the mindset that things are better if he's by himself.
Now that he's becoming aware that this was just a lie he told himself until he started to believe it, he is feeling regret for pushing her away and hurting her in the process.

I guess the ending is in sight for this one, but the thoughts of the mc are something I've gone through myself. Dude needs to develop some self esteem and realize it's okay for him to be around others instead of assuming they'd be better off without him.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

 

[comeonnow0]

I read the novel past this point, and I know what happens in the story. With that said, I am not going to spoil anything.

Anyways, I still think that it would've been fine if he did end his relationship with her here. He says he can't? He says that putting an "End" like in a story isn't how real relationships work? The hell? Sometimes it is. Sometimes people do just break off. Even if he's right, how would he know as a "loner"?

He has already met her, so he can't just act like they haven't already built up an interpersonal relationship. I get that. I understand. But he is still fundamentally right that their differing mindsets do cause each other pain and will continue to do so. Even if it is painful to part ways, that is sometimes still the correct answer.

I previously had this theory (it's wrong, but whatever) that the reason she was so interested in him having friends is because she went to his funeral and was so utterly depressed that basically no one else went. It would've been just his immediate family. So that would give a good reason for her to obsess over him not being alone, because seeing a lonely funeral when you feel responsible would be horrible. Oh well.

 

[TNT261]

Nope. Still hate this guy. Hopefully post this chapter he improves.

If this is the last time I can rant: For God's sake you're NOT Batman and even then Batman is far more empathetic. I get how hard social situations are and understanding them and feeling alone and depressed and like some sort of mistake for not getting them is my entire life. And I have to say I would KILL for people being that forward about wanting to spend time with me, making time to for me, and being genuinely worried about not just my physical well being but my mental and emotional.

What makes the MC so frustrating is he crafts these delusional narratives that he HAS to sacrifice himself for the sake of others and then pretends like he did them some great service when any sane person can tell those people just feel worse seeing him beat himself down that much for their sake without them asking for it (and it being entirely unnecessary (a sane person way back when with the gal character would've just said they must've accidentally dropped their stuff in her bag or even that they met at the bookstore and swapped bags and he's been trying to tell her all day or even just advocated for her and pointed out how ridiculous it would be to attack someone just for their taste)).

Really his character is far more indicative of deeper problems than just social issues. He seems to genuinely hate himself and warp reality to the point where others can only enjoy themselves if he's not (or in many cases having a bad time). Which is something I can relate to more than I'd like to admit, but if that's the case it's really not something that gets improved by continously pushing everyone away and then suddenly coming to an ephinany on your own as if once again you're such a special magical lone wolf snowflake. Again I would have killed to have a group of people that wanting to spend time with me and caring about me in highschool (especially with how high school did go). He doesn't need to suddenly become a social super cyclone spending time with dozens of people, but he's lucky enough to have a really small tight group that cares and treats them like trash at the end of the day, ignoring their feelings and literally the words that come out their mouths and their actions and living in his own world where someone EVERYONE'S happiness is dependent on him.

For me all this story needed was a much more simple story where the MC's support group and new friends gradually brought him into enjoying life more and having a better demeanor (with a few people like his sister noticing) and that'd have been a really magical and powerful story.

 

[vitalez06]

Take a shot everytime the MC mentions he's a lone wolf

But in seriousness, I guess in my POV the others keep forcing their own ideals to the MC on how to "have fun" in high school when he chose to be a loner in the first place. He also didn't choose to be revived, since he clearly stated that it's fine that he dies because he never really did anything much with his life.

But I do also see they don't want to cut him off just like that since they consider him as a friend/love interest, and no one wants to see their friend like that which make it seem as forcing of ideals.

 

[Kuyu]

Feels so retarded. He feels alone and yet pushes others out when they actually put in effort to be with him.
I can understand if they didn't put in the effort or didn't care, but she cares and wanted to be with him and yet he refuses.

 

[Coldlight]

"You literally don't even care about other people's feelings, including mine"
Savage. Give this bastard the reality check he needs. Someone like him who used to dream of friendships and love is no true loner, he's just basing his philosophies from a lie that he constantly needs to tell himself.

"I want to be with you in this world."
Damn, what a dick move to brush off something that's practically a love confession. Anyway he's finally getting the message, huh. Reality check is starting to kick in. His fake loner shell finally broke, but it hurt Sora too. Actually two girls reached out to him out of genuine concern and got emotionally hurt just so he can begin to open his eyes.

So what's he gonna do?

 

[Shiirooooooooo]

yes dude, regrets always comes later. be a good boy and do dogeza in front of her.

 

[micz7ryu]

Mc is taking it too far with this lone wolf bs. I understand him in the earlier chapters but this is just going too far. 3 people are telling you that they want to spend time with you and they show that they care stop acting like a btch.

 

[GlyphXion]

I don't get it

 

[draxdeveloper]

Why people in this forums act like he is happy being a lone wolf?
I mean, there are people that are happy like that but it's pretty obvious he is not one of that people. He never was. He just create a narrative to make things less painful and I can say for sure that people create those kind of narrative. My god, this is the whole thing behind chuunis (He is kind of a chuuni to be honest)

 

[draxdeveloper]

No matter how many times he contradicts himself, they are still his ideals and they are still at the core of how he behaves

sorry, but denial it's not core ideals.
Source: me, that had some sort of denial when I was a teenager.

 

[draxdeveloper]

Spoiler: I basically wrote an essay here, don't worry though, I was fair in the amount of hate I gave to both characters.

FMC finally admits that she has been forcing her ideas and expectations on MC, yay, we have been correct all along (who could've guessed?) But for that 1 win, the clearest and most basic win that 90% of the readers insisted that "no, it's not FMC forcing her own ideas onto FMC, it's just her wanting to help MC fits in" yeah, you can eat shits now.

But for that, what did we have to pay?
-Just a few pages above, FMC yelled at MC for "not caring about her and others' feeling" Oh wow, so you did care about MC's feeling when you were forcing your ideas on him all this time huh? Because if you had, you would've have already noticed how many fucking times MC made clear that he was fine with his life as it was and didn't want to change it.
-She can't believe that MC said she getting close to him will cause him trouble even though I'm pretty sure MC have already said that 2 times before already.
-You won't ask him to forgive you? Bruh, I'm not even bother explaining this, we have seen this line so many times before in many different storys and everytime, it's just as shit as the others.

But it's not like any of my points here and all of the previous one matter anyway. Cause after spending all of his time telling her to leave him alone, the mf can't even follow through on his words for even a second because "Oh no, I snapped at her and now she is sad, I'm regretting and feeling guilty now, better go over everything that has happened."

Let's us now turn our attention toward MC, I haven't talked much about him all this time his problems are just:
-I kinda like FMC, maybe just maybe, wait no, I'm just a loner, I'll never have the chance anyway, better not wanting something to happen. *he then wants smt to happen and it loops back to the start.
-Socialising is kinda fun, but I'll never fit in. *take part in socialising again and it loops back again.
This is basically his whole character, obviously there're more but it's just different numbers being in the same formula over and over.

I know as much as you guys how much of a loser and a bitch MC is, like, just in this chapter alone:
-MC said that he chose the wrong answer because there are actual people in the problem. But it's not, there is no such thing as a right or wrong in life, and especially not in interpersonal relationship, it's up to you to decide whether it was a good or bad choice, it's also up to you to hold on to the choice, so MC here decided that the choice was correct, but then as soon as he sees FMC sad face, it all collapsed. When he said he was an idiot, ok maybe he was, but not in this situation, it was because he was weak-willed.
-Also whether the choice is good or bad, it only applies to you, in this case, the other option would be to keep it all in and continue to go along with FMC, which to MC would be a bad choice, but to FMC, who clearly doesn't share the same thought process, might think it was a good choice. So it's up to you to choose, it's also up to you to face what comes with that decision.
-And the last line, yes, yes you can, you can just end everything there, but would you choose it, accept it, move on from it? No, you're weak-willed, you aren't able to choose the difficult choice, and you definitely not strong enough to maintain the choice and face what might come with it.

Problem is that while all of us know how shit MC is, 90% of you are incapable of realising (or refusing) the fact that FMC is also just as shit, both of them are shit, not as a character, a character's purpose is to attract attention no matter if it's the good or bad kind, and in that regard the author has done a fantastic job. They're however, just horse shit as a human being, basic reasoning, higher thinking level,..... they both don't have any, you wouldn't able to see a human who acts like that in the real world. What pissed me off though, is the fact that mostly MC is criticized for it, while FMC not just get away scot-free but get praised instead.

This manga is a brilliantly made trap, people who often thinks on the more simple, straight forward side are more "attracted" to MC, while those whose thinking process is more sophisticated and complex are "attracted" to both MC and FMC, and both types are desperate to see how everything will conclude (the uses of the word "attracted" here are in no way positive) The author made the characters so "good" that even though I know it pains me everytime I read this, I just can't stop.

wow, this is fair amount of hate?