Drama na Koi wa Kihon kara
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hopefully this gets continued
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A new series from an artist I like with a sexy doctor lady FL? Sign me up!
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Honestly a good read and with some wisdom. Basically speaking in olden times single men in their 30's without any experience was rare. Today, especially in Japan it isn't one bit unusual. I give props for helping japanese adult men with this manga (they really need it).
As for the concept in general? I am in the same age bracket group, i would rather live with my parents than with 6 random people, too much hassle and conflicting opinions. 6 people, 6 different household rules. Those 3 rules? Mildy stupid, coming from bunch of 34-36y olds. (Talking about visitation and romance).
MC for his age is a major let down, good things he will be improving, but man talk about being annoying. Somethings come with age for example art of not giving a fuck about other people, with age it just comes naturally, shyness? It also decreases with age. I think author portrayed incorrect picture of 34-36, sounds to me more like at best 20-24y olds.
As for the pair relationships (MC and FMC), who knows? If author will decide a more comedic approach, it will turn out as a misunderstanding and her "relationship" was a hiccup i.e. He asked me out, i agreed, he was pissed by me and we broke up.
A more realistic and hard hit to the balls for readers who want to learn: Sadly it is being normalized for men not to have any experience in their 30's (Not a big problem in Europe or US but trends are going there, Japan is far ahead there). What those men have to realise, that majority of women that they will meet will be already experienced and not just one guy but 1> (hopefully not to the extent of double digits), with children and baggage from previous relationships.
Currently, she carries baggage i.e. previous bad experience is being projected now onto MC (he has to deal with it, not the offender).
In any case, good read. In a sea of shounen, harems, school settings (basic stupidity) this one brings some wisdom that those adults can learn (and teens). And 15ch hopefully will teach people about boundaries, a very important subject that some people cannot maintain regardless of any age. Also the girl is freaking weird, i wanted to say she was autistic but she has episodes of being a normal adult, damn inconsistent.
As for the concept in general? I am in the same age bracket group, i would rather live with my parents than with 6 random people, too much hassle and conflicting opinions. 6 people, 6 different household rules. Those 3 rules? Mildy stupid, coming from bunch of 34-36y olds. (Talking about visitation and romance).
MC for his age is a major let down, good things he will be improving, but man talk about being annoying. Somethings come with age for example art of not giving a fuck about other people, with age it just comes naturally, shyness? It also decreases with age. I think author portrayed incorrect picture of 34-36, sounds to me more like at best 20-24y olds.
As for the pair relationships (MC and FMC), who knows? If author will decide a more comedic approach, it will turn out as a misunderstanding and her "relationship" was a hiccup i.e. He asked me out, i agreed, he was pissed by me and we broke up.
A more realistic and hard hit to the balls for readers who want to learn: Sadly it is being normalized for men not to have any experience in their 30's (Not a big problem in Europe or US but trends are going there, Japan is far ahead there). What those men have to realise, that majority of women that they will meet will be already experienced and not just one guy but 1> (hopefully not to the extent of double digits), with children and baggage from previous relationships.
Currently, she carries baggage i.e. previous bad experience is being projected now onto MC (he has to deal with it, not the offender).
In any case, good read. In a sea of shounen, harems, school settings (basic stupidity) this one brings some wisdom that those adults can learn (and teens). And 15ch hopefully will teach people about boundaries, a very important subject that some people cannot maintain regardless of any age. Also the girl is freaking weird, i wanted to say she was autistic but she has episodes of being a normal adult, damn inconsistent.
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this is cute.
a virgin child in his 35's and clumsy adult woman, both are clueless about having love relationship.
sadly mc here acting like a middle schooler who make things complicated, and think better that way despite he is 35 years old office worker.
while clumsy innocence fmc's most of the time provoked mc to make a move. though in a first place I didn't expect a doctor can be that innocence.
a virgin child in his 35's and clumsy adult woman, both are clueless about having love relationship.
sadly mc here acting like a middle schooler who make things complicated, and think better that way despite he is 35 years old office worker.
while clumsy innocence fmc's most of the time provoked mc to make a move. though in a first place I didn't expect a doctor can be that innocence.
This is gonna become annoying really quick I fear. Her ex-boyfriend just showed up as a new roommate and I'm not gonna lie, I hate stories that create their tension with love triangles. Definitely a personal preference of mine, but it's partly just because if have been pursuing a woman and there is another guy she is weighing against me or can't decide on... I just walk. So when this stuff happens in stories I tend to think the character just deserves better. That's why I tend to hate harem stories too.
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It's annoying only if you don't really understand what you're reading.
It's clear that the ex-boyfriend was brought into the story just to allow Ban to sort out her feelings and her indecision regarding love, since he was the one who caused such trauma on her. Ban herself never weighed Yuuki against Harutaka - in fact Harutaka notices that Ban is quite into Yuuki.
There's no need to be dooming as well, since this "love triangle" - which never was - gets its closure at the end of volume 3. There's no tension related to a "love triangle", since Ban herself never gave Harutaka any romantic consideration and even Yuuki doesn't spend any time worrying about her ex-boyfriend.
Instead of dooming based on previous stories, why not read the story and evaluate it after reading?
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Yeah, make no mistake about this story.
A few chapters in she reveals that she lied about having no experience in romance and the dude she used to bang moves in as well.
Which is a case of a story just fucking up completely.
Because see, there are obviously people that want such a story but they will not read that far because it's set up as a cute and innocent romance.
People that want a cute and innocent romance on the other hand will drop it when it turns out what a bitch the chick is (because let's be real, setting aside whether people care about stuff like past relationships does not matter here, LYING about it always does).
A few chapters in she reveals that she lied about having no experience in romance and the dude she used to bang moves in as well.
Which is a case of a story just fucking up completely.
Because see, there are obviously people that want such a story but they will not read that far because it's set up as a cute and innocent romance.
People that want a cute and innocent romance on the other hand will drop it when it turns out what a bitch the chick is (because let's be real, setting aside whether people care about stuff like past relationships does not matter here, LYING about it always does).
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What part of the title you didn’t understand? “Dramatic” is right there, you know? Also, what are you doing looking for a “cute and innocent” romance in a seinen series about a couple of mid-thirties, slightly dysfunctional people?
I think your disappointment is more due to your self-imposed expectations about any given story than to the story itself.
I appreciate your take, and I do understand the narrative role that the ex-boyfriend plays. I don't disagree with your assessment. But, when you approach the discussion with an opening comment like "It's annoying only if you don't really understand what you're reading" then I can't help but assume that you are trying to be rude.
Simple example, I know LOTS of people that love The Office, but I hate that show. Why? Because I can't stand cringe humor or plots that are based on cringe people or scenarios, because I can't help but feel the cringe. So I don't watch the show. In this case I am giving it a few chapters to flesh itself out, but so far this "false love triangle" is annoying to me; like I said it would be. I am hoping that we move onto "drama" surrounding getting caught by roommates or something.
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Apologies if I came out as being rude. I understand it’s a matter of personal preference, but what I was trying to point out is that the “love triangle” being shown isn’t really a triangle. It’s just the author playing with the “love triangle” trope without actually having the trope weighing in the plot. If you go back to chapter 17 until now, you should be able to clearly see that it’s Asai that’s hung up on Ban. Ban is just pursuing Yuuki. Even on this latest chapter (21), you can kind of take pity of Asai, with him trying to wedge in between Yuuki and Ban - even though he doesn’t yet know Ban is into Yuuki. Even though the “love triangle“ trope is annoying, what I was just saying is that you shouldn’t assume any of the tropes Enomoto presents on this series will actually play out as they generally do. In fact, none of them do, and that’s on purpose. Enomoto is using these tropes only as narrative anchors - but they are not following the tropes as they usually go, and that is the fun bit of this series. You can see the tropes coming from miles away - but instead of grimacing about these, you can actually look forward to see how Enomoto will turn these around.
In summary, what I was trying to say is: don’t let your expectations around these tropes to spoil your enjoyment of the series. It just seems the author is using these tropes, when in fact the author is taking these tropes and subverting them, leading to results and narratives completely different from what these tropes generally lead to.
I, for one, was actually grateful that this ex-bf “arc” finished with volume 3, on chapter 26. It was just the right length for Ban’s feelings for Yuuki to flesh out and for her to resolve her issues around her feelings - that began when her relationship with Asai ended - whilst not stretching the whole ex-bf hovering around thing for too long.
Totally fair. If that was not your intent then I apologize for my misunderstanding.
Again I do find your assessment fair. Thank you for the chapter call out for when the "love triangle" trope ends, I will just wait for the chapters to build up to that closure so I don't have to deal with the "annoyance" for too long haha.
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Ban’s ex-boyfriend showed up and some got mad a 35 year old woman isn’t a virgin…. You know, the usual lol
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for me it wasnt that, that made it bad, it was the cliche insert ex here to create drama that made the story feel bland and just another typical romance love triangle manga. original i just thought it would be a more awkward people solving their problems rather than the whole love triangle that every other romance story has which i was a bit tired of and hoped for something different or unique. like alot of manga are just almost carbon copy of each others ideas which loses its original taste. like legit for this story we literally already know how the love triangle will go and how its going to end and the process. ex will go for the girl. girl will have a fight with MC. ex will pick up the girl. MC gets jealous. another fight happens. sometime passes. they decide to talk again. and that get back together. in the end the author will put them back together. just my opinion.
though it would be funny if they do go extreme and actually make the female lead fall back for the ex and the main character is just left in the dust and was actually just a distraction and the story was more around the female lead.
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oh i thought
"oh i thought he was actually aiming for her because in the one of the chapters he mentioned he still liked her...."
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You see, that exactly why I was telling people to read the story, instead of assuming it will play out exactly as the trope. The whole schtick of this story is taking these overused tropes and have them result in completely different things - not the usual trope outcome.
Characters ended up in a love hotel? They don’t smash, with the MC rejecting because he doesn’t want just a one night stand. MC confesses to the FMC who seems very interested on him? She rejects him, only for him to convince her to continue fooling around until she falls for him. Her ex comes around? She doesn’t give a second thought about him and shows no romantic interest whatsoever in him. MC sees FMC with her ex? Instead of wallowing and creating lots of drama, he acts as an adult and doesn’t give a fuck (whilst the FMC recognises the optics of it all was bad).
Every single trope depicted wasn’t used as these generally are. They were all used to develop a completely different narrative. And that’s the fun of this series. You can see the tropes are a homage to the usual tropes presented on TV dramas (hence the title of the series), but the story develops completely different from what you would expect.
I see more and more people judging the series for using these tropes - but they fail to see that these are being used merely as a backdrop - they are not dictating the story. People are judging the story before it even happens, just because they think they know how the story will play out because they expect the tropes to play out as they generally do.
Big spoiler here (not really) - They don’t.
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