Yeah, I mostly avoid those kind of places. But sometimes most people in regular threads get too much into it and for months on end, I have sometimes to get out of the conversation because it's a monotheme of ships when it's not even remotely the main theme. Sometimes people get too carried away and sour the conversation for people who are not into that, and I think that's what happened here too watching reactions.
The same could be said for those into shipping when in places dominated by those into theorizing canon. It′s bothersome yes, but in my experience just a fact of fan spaces. Sometimes you won′t agree with the prevailing voices and have to search to find your people. It is what it is, but not some great tragedy all things considered.
But we are in the main thread, we are here to discuss the canon primarily. Theory is what make this fun, but if people get to derail the conversation about something that has nothing to do or it's grasping by a couple of hairs for an extended period of time, of course people who are not interested in that is going to ask you to stop and make a thread dedicated to that.
To my understanding the threads are for discussing the chapter and its relation to the story as a whole. That can be done through canon or theory and more removed ideas. Talking about this chapter in relation to Farcille is still talking about the chapter. The Laios × Kaberu was off topic I readily admit, but it was a breif adside and I would have happily left for elsewhere should someone compain and had that gone on longer. Conversations naturally meander and can change topics which isn′t suited for an organized form structure after all. Regardless, unless a moderator says so, of you can point to a place in the rules that indicates fanon is not welcome, I don′t see why it shouldn′t have a place here.
The question is not that the ship is not relevant to the topic of the chapter. The issue is that this very clearly goes beyond the line of “they are so cute together, I ship them” into a rather obsessive attempt to pass off the most banal friendly interaction as the fact of their relationship. Even mockingly implying that to deny this is to deny the obvious. Although we just have two BFFs in a fairly normal activity for friends. You quickly get emotionally tired of this, because it looks intrusive and quickly turns into pressure.
Hey Demon, was wondering where you had gone off to. Glad to see someone is still having lighthearted fun.
It certainly is a fact to some people, but why is that an issue? To each their own interpretation, and if someone doesn′t agree with yours and there is no possibility of being respectful of eachother then drop it. Granted, history has made both sides wary to the other which makes things harder (like we are experiencing right here), but it′s worth the effort at least as far as I′m concerned. The frustration absolutely goes both ways, and it′s not like either side is wholly wrong, just treating the material differently. I at least try to never begrudge others seeing an undeniable romantic relationship where I don′t. Lore vs. ship wars may be the default outcome, but since I value both, I do aim to prevent either from being disapraged in my interactions.
Again, the problem is not in the interpretations themselves, but in the fact that this is repeated over and over again as a supposedly objective fact with or without reason. Especially when the chapter literally shows nothing that could even be remotely called suspicious. This is simply a reconstruction of fujoshi's behavior in the worst sense. Although I don't remember fujoshi being that intrusive even while watching battle shonens in the 00s.
It doesn't surprise me that some people actually think this way. I know what headcanons and shipping are. And I'm not so prudish as to be hostile to any non-canonical things. All these are absolutely normal things of fun and feedback, regardless of what I personally think about it. It just gets boring very quickly when people try to constantly bring the conversation down to this, even when there's no reason to do so. Especially presenting it as something objective. Whether intentional or not, it comes across as passive-aggressively pushing his headcanons, no matter what they're about.
Understandable. I suppose our differing backgrounds give us different readings of the same text, much like different backgrounds will incline people to read Farcille as canon or not. And with that, I think we have a wrap on this discussion. I hope you are able to find a forum for Dungeon Meshi discussion more aligned to your interests.
This dialogue has left me so exhausted that I don't think I'll want to actively discuss this title anytime soon, lol. But hey, as I said, I don’t care as long as people don’t try to push it as something obvious over and over again. However, as you yourself answered, we've all already expressed our opinions here multiple times, so this dialogue really doesn't make much sense anymore. Again, unless you want to continue it in private messages someday.
No, don't take it personally. You were a pretty adequate "opponent", I'm just generally tired of the forum today. So if you share my feeling, then all I can do is wish you a pleasant weekend and put an end to this on my part. As it seems to me, we said everything we wanted, so I won't try to "have the last word."
Agreed. Same with people assuming Marcille sitting on a chair by Laos meant something during chapter 97.5. If some as simple as that meant something, then I guess a movie "date" with blushing probably counts more; but in general this series has no romantic focus between any of them. They're all more like family, two sisters and a brother.I can understand why people ship them. But it always confuses me when people immediately mark any character interactions as "obvious ship teases/hints" simply because they ship them. Celebrated a friend's birthday? Go to the cinema with him to see the your hyped adaptation of favorite book? Lovers
Well, I'm not 100% sure, but the one-eyed androgynous elf bishonen seems to be pointing directly at him.
I could say that people have simply forgotten how to value meaningful and strong platonic bonds between characters, but this still does not explain the persistent search for it even in this objectively platonic interactions. It's as if shipping goggles have now lost any satirical overtones and are now considered a legitimate way to prove someone's relationship.
