Fate/kaleid liner PRISMA☆ILLYA 3rei!! - Ch. 75.1 - Inside and Outside

[Rhin]

Meanwhile in Storm Border
Gordolf: Now I assumed you guys know the reason why I call all of you here right?
Da Vinci: No
Shion: No
Kadoc: No
Mash: No
Fujimaru: Nu uh
Gordolf: WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO WE ARE LITERALLY HOVERING NEXT TO GIANT DIMENSIONAL HOLE!! WITH AN ACTUAL GIANT CLIMBING OUT OF IT!!

That's such a fujimaru response, I can totally see him saying that.

 

[yokai1235]

If a had a penny every time a magical girls series end with the protagonist become god-like entity-

would be 6 pennies

but if i had a penny for every story that the magical girl gets corrupted

 

[yokai1235]

I think I mostly understand it.

The "original" Miyuverse, before the revision caused by Illya's time travel, is one where Pandora's Box wasn't opened, and where Darius won. (I'm not sure if those two events are related or coincidental)

That Miyuverse was judged as a bad end and thrown into Pandora's Box, and presumably the Box inside it (that the giant Darius is reaching towards) recursively leads into the same bad end world.

Meanwhile, the Miyuverse revised by Illya's time travel is now the "real" Miyuverse. This is the world where Pandora opened the box with Illya's help, where Illya doesn't exist (or does she), and where Miyu defeated Darius.

This defeated Darius entered Pandora's Box and ended up in the bad end world, sitting next to his alternate timeline giant form.

And Illya is there too because I guess this is where she ended up after getting lost in time.

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Which makes me wonder. When the box was spilling endless mud earlier, was it coming from the bad end world, which got covered with mud coming from Pandora's box, and it's mud and boxes all the way down? Or is it just a natural property of the Box to produce mud?

the mud is what massive amounts of condensed natural prana looks like

 

[GlasswareGrass]

I swear Illya should be Beast class or Saver by now.
Tho I kinda doubt the saver tho.
She have love for humanity but if creation of another timeline considered salvation?

 

[DLRevan]

would be 6 pennies

but if i had a penny for every story that the magical girl gets corrupted

I feel it is a deliberate meta joke that Prisma covers just about every magical trope known, even now with this new development for Illya. This series started with Illya getting stuck in a recognizably stereotypical outfit in-universe, which itself stemmed from the old joke about the magical trio (rin, luvia, caren).

I swear Illya should be Beast class or Saver by now.
Tho I kinda doubt the saver tho.
She have love for humanity but if creation of another timeline considered salvation?

There is no known criteria for the saver class and it probably only exists in the mooncell grail system.

No reason Illya would be Beast class either? Or any 'class' for that matter. She's not residing in a world that has a functional Alaya by the looks of it. There's no conceptual structure to define her as such.

 

[viewers101]

Meanwhile in Storm Border
Gordolf: Now I assumed you guys know the reason why I call all of you here right?
Da Vinci: No
Shion: No
Kadoc: No
Mash: No
Fujimaru: Nu uh
Gordolf: WHAT DO YOU MEAN NO WE ARE LITERALLY HOVERING NEXT TO GIANT DIMENSIONAL HOLE!! WITH AN ACTUAL GIANT CLIMBING OUT OF IT!!

That's like a Tuesday for Chaldea

 

[Arahaitham]

I think I mostly understand it.

The "original" Miyuverse, before the revision caused by Illya's time travel, is one where Pandora's Box wasn't opened, and where Darius won. (I'm not sure if those two events are related or coincidental)

That Miyuverse was judged as a bad end and thrown into Pandora's Box, and presumably the Box inside it (that the giant Darius is reaching towards) recursively leads into the same bad end world.

Meanwhile, the Miyuverse revised by Illya's time travel is now the "real" Miyuverse. This is the world where Pandora opened the box with Illya's help, where Illya doesn't exist (or does she), and where Miyu defeated Darius.

This defeated Darius entered Pandora's Box and ended up in the bad end world, sitting next to his alternate timeline giant form.

And Illya is there too because I guess this is where she ended up after getting lost in time.

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Which makes me wonder. When the box was spilling endless mud earlier, was it coming from the bad end world, which got covered with mud coming from Pandora's box, and it's mud and boxes all the way down? Or is it just a natural property of the Box to produce mud?

In my theory, it could be the mud is always been there since Olympian Gods created it. The mud maybe is the necessary process for pithos to work. By destroying the world & humanity via mud flood, it turn the timeline into a complete Lostbelt and then swapped it with the (recorded) world inside the Pithos. Meanwhile the world inside pithos will be swap out at the moment the world would be a new safe timeline branch.
Basically in FGO, the mudded earth is just like the bleaching earth process that works for CHALDEAS to swap the world... wait the bleaching world Chaldea group are currently is also a lostbelt all this time? It can't be right? I am confusing myself XD

 

[Arahaitham]

But how exactly did the defeated Darius enter Pandora’s box? Last we saw him he was fighting and defeated by the Servants & Miyu. How exactly did he enter this space, the “original world”, within Pandora’s Box?

Also, based on your theory… why does Pandora’s Box suddenly take in “bad end” worlds.

For Darius question, the answer is probably he makes a backup body doll that automatically forced his soul enter and sent it to inside the pithos hole first. We saw few times magus died and link their soul to backup body like this to save their ass. But let's wait since we don't even know is this darius in latest chap even the same Darius that Miyu defeated or not

For why pithos takes bad end world, it based on the assumption of Pruning Theoretical Phenomenon. To put it simply, a timeline where humanity has ended or become stagnant (known as lostbelt, or in your word: bad end), it will be automatically be pruned/deleted/erased. To stop the pruning, it possible swapping the "real world" with "simulated/recorded world" inside pithos. Because the world inside pithos could be manipulated, pithos could swap it out the moment the world would have a new timeline where it's safe from the pruning. The swapped in "real world" won't be detected, therefore stopping the pruning.

Ngl, at this point only FGO JP player and others who up to date with its story who would understand this. Fate always been a mess thread that connect each series to another, but that's also the fun as lore enthusiast I guess.

 

[GlasswareGrass]

I feel it is a deliberate meta joke that Prisma covers just about every magical trope known, even now with this new development for Illya. This series started with Illya getting stuck in a recognizably stereotypical outfit in-universe, which itself stemmed from the old joke about the magical trio (rin, luvia, caren).


There is no known criteria for the saver class and it probably only exists in the mooncell grail system.

No reason Illya would be Beast class either? Or any 'class' for that matter. She's not residing in a world that has a functional Alaya by the looks of it. There's no conceptual structure to define her as such.

You must not playing FGO.
If they want, they could just make up a plot where she can be a servant. And then put her on a banner.
After the first Beast release everything become "random bullshjt go" imo.
Well we did have Beast of Alaya so... And we have Gaia with her...
Maybe I could be wrong. But there's always a chance so I ain't giving up for a new Illya variant.

 

[sho52]

I read an explanation which I think makes sense, and it's actually not that complicated:

Remember that the Darius here is the Darius defeated by Miyu and co. in the timeline where Illya doesn't exist, let's call it timeline B, (and the original timeline where Darius won, timeline A).

Illya traveled to the past and helped Pandora open the box, enabling the functionality to switch the worlds A and B around, inside/outside of the box.

The Darius from timeline B got defeated, escaped to the inside of the box, and thought this is the world that he created. But the inside of the box is actually timeline A, i.e. the Darius who previously defeated Illya and co.

(The only question I have with this explanation is why the Darius from timeline B still thinks he needs to do the same thing as the Darius from timeline A did, if the world was not actually headed towards destruction as they discussed.)

 

[DLRevan]

You must not playing FGO.
If they want, they could just make up a plot where she can be a servant. And then put her on a banner.
After the first Beast release everything become "random bullshjt go" imo.
Well we did have Beast of Alaya so... And we have Gaia with her...
Maybe I could be wrong. But there's always a chance so I ain't giving up for a new Illya variant.

You must be someone who only plays fgo and not with a very sharp mind either.

There a strong foundation for everything to do with classes in FGO. Even if some servant changed class for obvious fan service reasons, it never contradicts nasu's established lore in a fundamental way. If you think it's all random bullshit maybe should should stop mashing the skip button.

Outside of FGO, this is all expectedly more conservative. All the derivative works from this manga to strange fake to samurai remnant and so on.

In any case even if you insist its all random then you contradict yourself, there is then equally no basis for Beast class. So why declare she should be one? Because the author needs read your mind and cater to your arbitrary wants? And when she becomes one, what meaning is there to it? It's just random bullshit after all.

 

[SPQRALAN]

So if the box is opened, the world gets destroyed. If the box doesn't open, the world is good. So the destroyed world outside the box got swapped with the good world inside the box. I think?
Also Gaia being concerned that "flat crust is embarrassing" is just cute xD.

 

[GlasswareGrass]

You must be someone who only plays fgo and not with a very sharp mind either.

There a strong foundation for everything to do with classes in FGO. Even if some servant changed class for obvious fan service reasons, it never contradicts nasu's established lore in a fundamental way. If you think it's all random bullshit maybe should should stop mashing the skip button.

Outside of FGO, this is all expectedly more conservative. All the derivative works from this manga to strange fake to samurai remnant and so on.

In any case even if you insist its all random then you contradict yourself, there is then equally no basis for Beast class. So why declare she should be one? Because the author needs read your mind and cater to your arbitrary wants? And when she becomes one, what meaning is there to it? It's just random bullshit after all.

Guess you are right.
Maybe somehow a random elementary school girl somehow became a magical girl and then some how become a servant with a plot in a gacha game is not random at all.
Maybe I should understand it in this way. Everything have a foundation, even if it's out of no where. And maybe we don't understand it but it's at first. But the game explained it to make sense so I should just accept it.
Go f*ck my brain if that somehow make sense.
Like I said. I want a new Illya variant, that's simple. How the heck we come to this? We got war in multiverse here. And I ain't care if they make a plot where "Illya in another universe become a Beast".
If you have time bragging how you know so much about fate lore. Help a damn me and actually find a way to visualize Miyuverse Illya in FGO.
There's always two types of lore enthusiastic lad like you. Either be ready to discuss or just showing how good you are at knowing everything and trying to find anything to display.
Hope I ain't seeing you again so soon.

 

[DLRevan]

Guess you are right.
Maybe somehow a random elementary school girl somehow became a magical girl and then some how become a servant with a plot in a gacha game is not random at all.
Maybe I should understand it in this way. Everything have a foundation, even if it's out of no where. And maybe we don't understand it but it's at first. But the game explained it to make sense so I should just accept it.
Go f*ck my brain if that somehow make sense.
Like I said. I want a new Illya variant, that's simple. How the heck we come to this? We got war in multiverse here. And I ain't care if they make a plot where "Illya in another universe become a Beast".
If you have time bragging how you know so much about fate lore. Help a damn me and actually find a way to visualize Miyuverse Illya in FGO.
There's always two types of lore enthusiastic lad like you. Either be ready to discuss or just showing how good you are at knowing everything and trying to find anything to display.
Hope I ain't seeing you again so soon.

I even posted an example that she could be Brain of the Planet. What the hell are you talking about. I am not just shutting down ideas of what she has transformed into. Way to prove you really don't read anything.

Do you even know what that is? It would make her equivalent to arcuied, and if you insist it needs some FGO context and u need to fap off to some power level shit it would make her a natural and unfathomably powerful mooncancer. This is literally Earth's strongest being and Ultimate One.

As I said before, what is even your criteria? Why do you want her to be a Beast? You want her to be an enemy of humanity? Or is it you just think Beast sounds cool and sounds strong?

There is nothing to discuss with you if the level of logic you are bringing to this "discussion" is I want my favorite anime character to be Super Saiyan Beast Ultra class. No such class exists but I bet if it did you'd be asking for that just because it's clearly an "upgrade", damn the context.

And if you think this topic is something only lore enthusiasts know you probably need to start using more than two brain cells. What a low bar. It's just classes, literally spelled out in simple words in the story or profiles. It's like saying only lore nerds know Luffy ate the Devil Fruit to get his powers or something. But that's the secret isn't it? If you willfully know nothing, you can just say Batman should have superpowers or some other random shit and nobody can argue against you because it's your arbitrary conclusion in the first place.

 

[ry1412]

In my theory, it could be the mud is always been there since Olympian Gods created it. The mud maybe is the necessary process for pithos to work. By destroying the world & humanity via mud flood, it turn the timeline into a complete Lostbelt and then swapped it with the (recorded) world inside the Pithos. Meanwhile the world inside pithos will be swap out at the moment the world would be a new safe timeline branch.
Basically in FGO, the mudded earth is just like the bleaching earth process that works for CHALDEAS to swap the world... wait the bleaching world Chaldea group are currently is also a lostbelt all this time? It can't be right? I am confusing myself XD

FGO timeline basically experienced Earth without humanity for about 2 years(?) i would'nt suprised if their timeline also deemed as a Lostbelt — how history move forward if there is no human to push it?