Fukushuu o Koinegau Saikyou Yuusha wa, Yami no Chikara de Senmetsu Musou Suru - Ch. 138

[Sunzo]

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[booterror]

It’s not really redemption. More like adding the goddess of war to Raoul s revenge list.

I was going to say "Aw hell naw. Another divine being getting added to the shitlist? Also its kinda sad she got duped as a kid trying to help. I won't lie, I'm alla bout that revenge that tastes like blood... but this time I'm feeling a little bad.

 

[Grailm]

None of this makes any sense. How the hell could something this big have happened in the past and yet theres never been any hint of it. Why did Raoul himself not know or mention it at all, especially after he obtained godhood? If his memories were erased, surely he would have gotten them back upon dying, especially after obtaining godhood.

 

[Bradlife]

shit like this needs a stronger foundation to stand on to truly work. Going back and retconning characterization under the guise of "recontextualizing" it without a hint of foreshadowing just comes off as sloppy writing no matter how well you "planned it all"

To be fair, Victoria has already been shown having been possessed by a god already, she lost her virginity as the Goddess of Love took over her body and assaulted Raoul after all (Chapters 80 and 81). The idea of the gods taking over Victoria's body as a tool to personally carry out their whims on Raoul has long been established.

 

[Rogulair]

They can create a backstory out of thin air, and we have no choice but to accept it when it's plausible enough.

 

[blulaz]

3 weeks for a cliffhanger 🥀

 

[Nivek]

It’s not really redemption. More like adding the goddess of war to Raoul s revenge list.

Also no a redemption to show Victoria was manipulated long ago

people do evil because they got tainted by something -- the problem essentially is the taint -- remove the taint, and they go back to normal".

Really? That's how japanese justify their warcrimes?

 

[Dreaded_Prinny]

So you're telling me that Victoria has always been a literal God's puppet from the beginning even before Christiana twisted her mind, courtesy of the Goddess of Lust? That's kind of a silly plot point, to be honest.

 

[Doomroar]

the great reveal finally appeared, and it seems... victoria wasnt fully... victoria? thats... actually valid

Author fully intends to redeem Victoria huh? Oh well, let's see what happens. At least this series is interesting enough to warrant such following.

There was an evil shadow god puppet master wearing her skin all along acting on her behalf, real Victoria was actually an innocent lil girl all along!

She was never in control of herself!



Jokes on you author, because by that same logic we have never meet Victoria, she died the moment she made that pact, and the real one only exist within this flashback only, everything she does after is just the gods acting through her, so you are not actually redeeming anyone, you are just introducing a new character

 

[Doomroar]

This isn't "redemption". Redemption is when a person realizes that they've done wrong and reverses course.

But "True Victoria" isn't responsible for all of this. It wasn't her choice. So it's not her guilt. (Though I doubt that she'll feel that way.)

The problems with redemption stories:
Type 1) The story where the author revels in portraying an evil character, but then wants that character to get away with it and not suffer the retribution they deserve. Essentially, the author themselves is a sociopath. (Sylvanas in World of Warcraft.)
Type 2) West vs East Ethos. In the west, individuals are responsible for their own actions -- when a person chooses to do evil, that's purely their choice. Vs. East (well Japan at least), there's a very strong ethos of "people do evil because they got tainted by something -- the problem essentially is the taint -- remove the taint, and they go back to normal". (Naruto, repeatedly.)

But in this manga:
Type 1) the author did not wallow in Victoria's misdeeds. And she was roundly and horribly punished already.
Type 2) A ton of other characters did willfully commit evil and have been punished. If Victoria is getting a "not my fault" it's very much the exception to the rest of the story. I.e. it does not represent a general ethos.

So I don't see either of the redemption problems in this arc.

I agree when we found out that the Saintess was being manipulated and deceived by the goddess of love, somehow she didn't got a tragic flashback of the goddess absolving her of responsibility

This is essentially the same thing, but he is bending backwards to make Victoria a kid who is not an agent

 

[lolfacesayshi]

None of this makes any sense. How the hell could something this big have happened in the past and yet theres never been any hint of it. Why did Raoul himself not know or mention it at all, especially after he obtained godhood? If his memories were erased, surely he would have gotten them back upon dying, especially after obtaining godhood.

I'm convinced that all this is just a simulation to truly test Vicky's character. Like there's too much happening to be the "real" past.

I agree when we found out that the Saintess was being manipulated and deceived by the goddess of love, somehow she didn't got a tragic flashback of the goddess absolving her of responsibility

This is essentially the same thing, but he is bending backwards to make Victoria a kid who is not an agent

Cristiana was never manipulated or deceived, she was empowered and blessed, and basically began creating her own religion out of her own desires. She told her parents to kill anyone who got in her way, told the party members that having sex with her is redemption, and then boosted the "love" of others like Vicky until overrode any sense of reason. She never even saw the face of the Goddess of Love, that's how she met her downfall in hell: by "renouncing" the goddess when Raoul revealed what a pathetic masochist the goddess is.

 

[greatninja3]

Author fully intends to redeem Victoria huh? Oh well, let's see what happens. At least this series is interesting enough to warrant such following.

I mean the moment it was revealed she was mind controlled since the beginning I already questioned how much fault she deserved.

The author wouldn’t reveal that part if he didn’t plan to redeem her

 

[Gotham2298]

Who or what is even going on at this point?

 

[dexdoujinmanga]

the great reveal finally appeared, and it seems... victoria wasnt fully... victoria? thats... actually valid

So that means she can actually go to hell directly with her mortal body without having to die first.

 

[avefenixflames]

Kinda lame excuse "it wasn't me, someone influenced me" but let's see how this unravels...

 

[wilddeath]

what a god manipulated her?.... oh no.... any way when does she die like she deserves?

 

[UncleKaos]

But doesn't it mean the one in Hell is the true one... and the one who did posses her is not there anymore?

 

[rluka]

The influence here seems to be unlike when Vicky is manipulated by Christiana or the Goddess of Love at least.

How to put it... this god merge into her. It could be that the god only lay dormant in her, leaving influence in her personality, rather than actively controlling everything she do. So, Vicky is still more independent in her actions. Also the pact is for as long as she lives anyway, so practically that’s her for the rest of her life.

Author fully intends to redeem Victoria huh? Oh well, let's see what happens. At least this series is interesting enough to warrant such following.

Rather than redeeming Vicky, lets see the more immediate problem here.
If that god is in her, she could suddenly awaken into hell and attack Raoul from behind.

 

[Zen44]

This is such lazy writing just to justify the Raoul x Victoria ship. Two people being batshit insane should have been a good enough reason for it.

 

[Tsumi]

I agree when we found out that the Saintess was being manipulated and deceived by the goddess of love, somehow she didn't got a tragic flashback of the goddess absolving her of responsibility

This is essentially the same thing, but he is bending backwards to make Victoria a kid who is not an agent

Raoul gave the Saintess a chance to redeem herself in hell and the Saintess proved herself to be a selfish narcissist ready to sacrifice others to save herself. There was nothing to redeem there.

I do agree with some others that this is retconning things a bit. I don't think they initially planned on redeeming Victoria.