Futoku no Guild - Vol. 15 Ch. 90 - A Place To See You Clearly

[ipmanvsthemask]

lol You said what you said, got a fitting response, and now you act like you don't know what you said. Thus you feign moderation as if it's been your position from the start.

Here's an insult for you. You're seriously stupid if you can't comprehend what I said as moderation.

It may be something novel and worthwhile to you, but this kind of rhetorical silliness is utterly trite to me.

Like I said, difference in values. You're genuinely up your own ass if you can only think of this as trite rhetoric.

 

[exLightning]

Thank god the arc is almost over, now we can get back to what is actually important... the ecchi!.

 

[einrip]

It's funny how Phoenikazu's punishment leaves white magic users without their most important resource, to show that it's wrong to hurt them.
That bird is just making it easier to kill people, specially their followers!

 

[MothproofAcorn]

This is so dumb and boring can we just get back to low stakes ecchi situations… Nobody started reading this to see a shitty battle manga.

Even if you do like this stuff and you think this is good (which is fine, no judgement here, I just personally dislike it) you still definitely didn’t start reading the manga about a bunch of cute girls getting assaulted by monsters because you were expecting this lol

 

[Forikorder]

This is so dumb and boring can we just get back to low stakes ecchi situations… Nobody started reading this to see a shitty battle manga.

Even if you do like this stuff and you think this is good (which is fine, no judgement here, I just personally dislike it) you still definitely didn’t start reading the manga about a bunch of cute girls getting assaulted by monsters because you were expecting this lol

Dont pretend this is the first serious arc

 

[IAmInMisery4]

So Fone was a woman of culture (read: freak freak).

 

[Nobodycaresreally]

So when is next volume releasing?

 

[Ricardo_Rick]

No Meidena lewds at the end...sad

 

[kingalthur]

another time author has cooked us so well

 

[cash-616]

Waiting for the uncesored version was worth it, the extra pages are the best part lmaooo.
Thanks for the translation!

 

[Giga]

"The larger government / greater power structure of humanity had no clue, which is why the old people had to resort to murdering Fone and hiding their actions."


I was saying the old people were hiding their actions because they knew they were in the wrong.
They may have truly believed that Hadesman was plotting revenge though, but that's not enough to kill Fone who presumably was innocent.

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I may have misunderstood that--excuse me, there. Still, I find it completely unbelievable that they had innocent motives for what amounted to murder--i.e., their plan to get Hadesman through Fone. If I recall correctly, that was a major implication in their planning--it wasn't just incidental. I came across it in chapter 75 when looking for something else I remember: when captured, the elders let slip their intent to divest Hadesman of his divinity by killing Fone. Seems their malice was more direct than just making Hadesman trip the monster ward devices, after all.

I guess you can take Hadesman's actions as fair and fine if you operate under the idea that "they attacked Hadesman first and they would eventually try to attack him again - so he was just finishing the fight and freeing himself from his aggressors (though he would likely gain all of humanity as his new aggressors in the process)."

What I've always been trying to make clear is the fact that I don't think Hadesman is completely innocent here--he isn't, and that's painfully obvious.

But Hadesman lied to some of the young monsters and sent them to die as a fodder and was resolved for innocents to die as collateral damage while getting revenge in the same way the old folk were fine with deceiving others because they feared retaliation from Hadesman (and perhaps even feared any backlash from the youngfolk getting the real story and thinking their elders were in the wrong) - for the original wrongful+ungrateful exile and then their murder of Fone (which they then also began to fear LEGAL repercussions and now needed to keep other PEOPLE under their thumb and further pressured them to put an end to Hadesman before a full investigation could be requested by an outsider thinking it was strange or an insider having regrets).

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There are parallels between what the village elders (and even the villagers, actually--remember, Hadesman's indiscrimination is a subsequent parallel of theirs) did and what Hadesman did in response, but only in the most superficial ways could they be so characterized as equivalent. Their motives were different--even their reactions to the results were different (Hadesman actually mourned those lost to San's suicide order).

Honestly, I don't care that much about who's right and who's wrong.
Both sides had flaws, I'm heavily leaning towards the "Hadesman faction" as being the most "righteous" as the author intended though.

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The thing is that it's pretty clear who's who, there--and the author himself treats the one in the right as worthy of punishment. He surely did intend to portray Hadesman as more righteous than the villagers, but--by his own pen--he also depicted Hadesman as the only one explicitly deserving death, and it's no doubt for that relative righteousness.

As I said, the people wanted to kill Hadesman over a technicality enough to kill his woman so they could kill him. No one cared about anything until Hadesman moved to kill them for it; when the village's side did find out what the village elders were guilty of, the answer to that was "try harder to kill Hadesman"--enough so that they'd side with the main accessory to Fone's murder to do it. The author's message is clear, and it's the latest in a long series of repetitions.

In the end, I still think that it was done to give the story an Oscarbait-style "unhappy" ending. Even so, there's no way anyone among the victors (and I do mean anyone--Seiten's screaming what he did was a testament to how he didn't care who was right or wrong, just that people were fighting--and he wanted to kill the easiest target for it) would have any believable remorse over Hadesman's fate, given what they did to get it.

 

[Forikorder]

@Giga i really dont see how anyone could think that hades was depicted as more righteous than the villagers