Hajirau Kimi ga Mitainda - Ch. 64.1 - Prank Date at Home

[Moneymike1995]

Careful your cringe is showing

Don't bothering listening to him. He's too far gone in stupidity

 

[Crackerjack94]

Don't bothering listening to him. He's too far gone in stupidity

Really everyone needs to let it go. Even you need to stop bringing it up

 

[frankieMuniez]

It's not luck, though? He's the son of a famous director and exposed the affair of two teachers in the school festival by hijacking the project he was supposed to film for. Honjou is clearly some sort of sexually repressed and sought HIM out, then reacted to his discovery of her masturbaccion by asking him to film a porno. The hot teacher came looking for him because he was acknowledged by a director that she was humiliated by, and was seeking some sort of closure to the director telling her she was a bad actress.

Behind the material is a pretty interesting drama about creativity, approval, and boundaries. But after the rape just went... straight unacknowledged and these two chapters being baffling h-manga plots, it feels like it's lost its way. You're not supposed to do that. Don't lose your way.

So... Luck.

He luckily found the repressed girl who wants to wear a collar and do dirty things in a park. He luckily filmed a teacher's affair, aired it and didn't get expelled, he (un)luckily found a big titted teacher with a grudge against another filmmaker who also shot porn with him

His whole story is pure unadulterated luck

 

[Mordenheim]

I'm not sure what jury you're trying to convince mister lawyer but you aren't convincing anyone. It was assault. Author treated that way, MC treated it that way, story treated it that way. I'm not sure why you're wasting your time and everyone else's battling a losing battle for no reason. Can you just read the story and move on already?

So basically you cannot counter anything I just said. Good to know.

 

[Mordenheim]

I fucking hope ekoda comes to the main story at some point

I hope too, because when he lashes out on her in the next chapter, he does that for kinda stupid reason... He actually has two, but that's besides the point.

Chapter 58.2.
4 first pages, Shirasawa is INTO it

You are missing the important part: where the Ekoda asks him what he wants to do and this is his answer.

 

[Crackerjack94]

So basically you cannot counter anything I just said. Good to know.

I literally did

 

[Crackerjack94]

I hope too, because when he lashes out on her in the next chapter, he does that for kinda stupid reason... He actually has two, but that's besides the point.


You are missing the important part: where the Ekoda asks him what he wants to do and this is his answer.

I find it ironic that you say I can't counter you argument yet here you are without a counter to why the MC is mad other than "stupid reason". It almost as if he's mad he was taken advantage of. Who would've thought?

 

[Moneymike1995]

I hope too, because when he lashes out on her in the next chapter, he does that for kinda stupid reason... He actually has two, but that's besides the point.


You are missing the important part: where the Ekoda asks him what he wants to do and this is his answer.

So your logic is if reciprocated no matter what the person's state of mind is its ok? Do you know what the definition of consent means or are you too young to understand it? That's at best. At worst you're the type to believe no matter what state the person is in, even if that's near passed out drunk, as long as they're willing they clearly want to do it.

I find it ironic that you say I can't counter you argument yet here you are without a counter to why the MC is mad other than "stupid reason". It almost as if he's mad he was taken advantage of. Who would've thought?

Their self inserting is do bad they think they understand the story better than the author. They don't understand why the MC is angry because they aren't angry, and since the MC is their stand in they can't understand the way the story is written when it doesn't go the way they want it to go.

 

[Mordenheim]

I find it ironic that you say I can't counter you argument yet here you are without a counter to why the MC is mad other than "stupid reason". It almost as if he's mad he was taken advantage of. Who would've thought?

He is mad at her because he thinks she used him as substitute for director Saiga. Which is kinda stupid, because he is jumping on conclusions without listening to her or her reasons. But then again, he is young, so in a way it makes sense.

 

[Crackerjack94]

He is mad at her because he thinks she used him as substitute for director Saiga. Which is kinda stupid, because he is jumping on conclusions without listening to her or her reasons. But then again, he is young, so in a way it makes sense.

Oh my God not the dumb substitute theory. Thats not why he's mad. He didn't know she saw him as a substitute until after they talked, and he was mad at her beforehand. So either he can read minds or you're clearly wrong. Please point out any other time where he equates sexual desire with envy of Saiga?

 

[Crackerjack94]

He is mad at her because he thinks she used him as substitute for director Saiga. Which is kinda stupid, because he is jumping on conclusions without listening to her or her reasons. But then again, he is young, so in a way it makes sense.

Also here's the biggest hole poked at your whole logic. MC has been shown to be weak to alcohol in that chapter with Kaho. Drunk is the only time where he's more susceptible to give into his desires. We see it with the consensus chapter with Kaho, a couple chapters back with her, and here with Touka that when in the right state of mind he's very shy and hesitant to make a move. That just proves he wasn't in the right state of mind when Sensei has sex with him. You can't even say it's because she came onto him since Touka is doing the same thing here and we see how embarrassed he is.

 

[Mordenheim]

Oh my God not the dumb substitute theory. Thats not why he's mad. He didn't know she saw him as a substitute until after they talked, and he was mad at her beforehand. So either he can read minds or you're clearly wrong. Please point out any other time where he equates sexual desire with envy of Saiga?

You are so wrong.
Shirasawa knows that Ekoda was 'obsessed' with Saiga. In fact, it is the reason why she approached him in the very beginning. And guess what? He knows that too. If you don't believe me, look at ch. 20.
And with that in mind, let's look at his reproach after their sexy night, ch. 59.2 page 5, "I'm not director Saiga!".
This coupled together, and their talk in ch. 57.1, makes it clear that he thinks she is still into Saiga and he was just outlet for her desire. Except he is not, she already graduated from that (hint: her hair) and she actually told him as much in aforementioned ch. 57.1. He is just too oblivious to take the hint.

Also here's the biggest hole poked at your whole logic. MC has been shown to be weak to alcohol in that chapter with Kaho. Drunk is the only time where he's more susceptible to give into his desires. We see it with the consensus chapter with Kaho, a couple chapters back with her, and here with Touka that when in the right state of mind he's very shy and hesitant to make a move. That just proves he wasn't in the right state of mind when Sensei has sex with him. You can't even say it's because she came onto him since Touka is doing the same thing here and we see how embarrassed he is.

You mean the Swingers club? But they had to do something erotic since they were in that playroom... Plus, the contrast in his behaviour 'then and now' is striking. Back then, he was 'proper' drunk, making a weird face and talking shit. In his scene with Ekoda? Nothing.
Also, did you forget the 'masturbation in bath' scene? He was acting pretty wild here.
As for Touka. He is clearly confused by her behaviour. He even says it.

 

[Crackerjack94]

You are so wrong.
Shirasawa knows that Ekoda was 'obsessed' with Saiga. In fact, it is the reason why she approached him in the very beginning. And guess what? He knows that too. If you don't believe me, look at ch. 20.
And with that in mind, let's look at his reproach after their sexy night, ch. 59.2 page 5, "I'm not director Saiga!".
This coupled together, and their talk in ch. 57.1, makes it clear that he thinks she is still into Saiga and he was just outlet for her desire. Except he is not, she already graduated from that (hint: her hair) and she actually told him as much in aforementioned ch. 57.1. He is just too oblivious to take the hint.

You mean the Swingers club? But they had to do something erotic since they were in that playroom... Plus, the contrast in his behaviour 'then and now' is striking. Back then, he was 'proper' drunk, making a weird face and talking shit. In his scene with Ekoda? Nothing.
Also, did you forget the 'masturbation in bath' scene? He was acting pretty wild here.
As for Touka. He is clearly confused by her behaviour. He even says it.

You are clearly just using HC here. Nothing you say makes any sense. So what if he knows she's obsessed? How does apply to them having sex? He's not in love with her to care and in that moment all she was to him was a sexual outlet. How would him being a substitute matter? Aldo here's another flaw in your HC he likes Kaho. To him sensei would just be a substitute. So your whole point falls flat when he doesn't love her and would just be a hypocrite in being mad for that reason. The funny part is you point out that he's aware of here obsession but never point out why he would care to be a substitute. Why is that? Because you can't and this whole argument makes no sense.
Also the chapter is from Ekoda's perspective so we really don't know how drunk he was.

 

[Moneymike1995]

You are so wrong.
Shirasawa knows that Ekoda was 'obsessed' with Saiga. In fact, it is the reason why she approached him in the very beginning. And guess what? He knows that too. If you don't believe me, look at ch. 20.
And with that in mind, let's look at his reproach after their sexy night, ch. 59.2 page 5, "I'm not director Saiga!".
This coupled together, and their talk in ch. 57.1, makes it clear that he thinks she is still into Saiga and he was just outlet for her desire. Except he is not, she already graduated from that (hint: her hair) and she actually told him as much in aforementioned ch. 57.1. He is just too oblivious to take the hint.

You mean the Swingers club? But they had to do something erotic since they were in that playroom... Plus, the contrast in his behaviour 'then and now' is striking. Back then, he was 'proper' drunk, making a weird face and talking shit. In his scene with Ekoda? Nothing.
Also, did you forget the 'masturbation in bath' scene? He was acting pretty wild here.
As for Touka. He is clearly confused by her behaviour. He even says it.

Don't you love it when people don't read the manga and just make crap up. Yeah it makes total sense that a guy not in love with someone would be jealous of someone else. Here's the only way you'd make sense.
1) Shirasawa has thoughts of liking sensei
2) when sensei comes into his room he thinks she actually likes him and he's willing to break his rule
3) there's no alcohol so he's completely aware of what's happening
4) afterwards we see him happy about what happened until sensei mentions Saiga

The funny part is you contradict yourself in your own post. You say Shirasawa knows sensei is into Saiga and even after the sex believes nothing changed. Why would he be mad then? Up until that part based on what you said he never believed she changed her mind. They've never been written to have any romantic development to suggest that he'd want her to be obsessed with him instead. There's never been anytime in the chapter where Shirasawa questions if she is just using him as a substitute. He only lashes out because he finds out she assaulted him simply because of her delusional obsession. We even see at the end she cares less about his feelings and his more saddened and shocked he is mad at her. He's angry at how delusional she really is, and the fact that she's trying to justify her actions in such a delusional manner. He's mad that she shows no sorrow or regret for what she did. The reason why she doesn't try to explain herself is because she doesn't do what she did out of love but delusion.

You are clearly just using HC here. Nothing you say makes any sense. So what if he knows she's obsessed? How does apply to them having sex? He's not in love with her to care and in that moment all she was to him was a sexual outlet. How would him being a substitute matter? Aldo here's another flaw in your HC he likes Kaho. To him sensei would just be a substitute. So your whole point falls flat when he doesn't love her and would just be a hypocrite in being mad for that reason. The funny part is you point out that he's aware of here obsession but never point out why he would care to be a substitute. Why is that? Because you can't and this whole argument makes no sense.
Also the chapter is from Ekoda's perspective so we really don't know how drunk he was.

He thinks this way because it makes her seem less messed up than she actually is. If anything saying Shirasawa was just jealous puts all the blame for their falling out on him. She's just the innocent woman showing her love. While he's the foolish teen that couldn't realize that she loves him. Except that all falls flat when you take a moment and think how none of that has been shown in his chapter.

Why the hell would he or care about any of that shit without any buildup. It's not like he professed his undying love for her just to be crushed to here he's a replacement. None of it makes any sense.

 

[Mordenheim]

You are clearly just using HC here. Nothing you say makes any sense. So what if he knows she's obsessed? How does apply to them having sex? He's not in love with her to care and in that moment all she was to him was a sexual outlet. How would him being a substitute matter? Aldo here's another flaw in your HC he likes Kaho. To him sensei would just be a substitute. So your whole point falls flat when he doesn't love her and would just be a hypocrite in being mad for that reason. The funny part is you point out that he's aware of here obsession but never point out why he would care to be a substitute. Why is that? Because you can't and this whole argument makes no sense.

Ok. I think the 'substitute' was not correct choice of term. It's more like projection(?). So to paraphrase:
In Shirasawa's mind, Ekoda is projecting Saiga into Shirasawa; both of them are directors and she is their actress. And he is mad at her, because he thinks Ekoda had sex with him because of that. It's not really about love, but about pride and self-esteem.
That's why he reproach her with "I'm not director Saiga!", because he wants her to seem him, Shirasawa, not just some Saiga clone.

 

[Crackerjack94]

Ok. I think the 'substitute' was not correct choice of term. It's more like projection(?). So to paraphrase:
In Shirasawa's mind, Ekoda is projecting Saiga into Shirasawa; both of them are directors and she is their actress. And he is mad at her, because he thinks Ekoda had sex with him because of that. It's not really about love, but about pride and self-esteem.
That's why he reproach her with "I'm not director Saiga!", because he wants her to seem him, Shirasawa, not just some Saiga clone.

Again this is never shown or stated. This sound like HC that you are saying. Why does he want a woman he doesn't love nor has he shown signs of wanting to see him during sex and not Saiga? That doesn't make any sense considering the one he loves isn't her but Kaho. It doesn't matter if she sees him because he doesn't see her. He sees Kaho. The issue with what you're saying is that never in the story has he viewed his sexual experiences to being compared to Saiga. Nor has he desired an advance in a sexual relationship with sensei.

 

[Mordenheim]

Again this is never shown or stated. This sound like HC that you are saying. Why does he want a woman he doesn't love nor has he shown signs of wanting to see him during sex and not Saiga? That doesn't make any sense considering the one he loves isn't her but Kaho. It doesn't matter if she sees him because he doesn't see her. He sees Kaho. The issue with what you're saying is that never in the story has he viewed his sexual experiences to being compared to Saiga. Nor has he desired an advance in a sexual relationship with sensei.

Think of it this way:
You go to the town to pick up girl. You meet a woman at a pub. You have good time and you end up at your flat where you have passionate ONS. The next morning the woman leaves and that's it.
Except.
Some days later you learn the girl had crush on your older brother and just because you resemble him, she slept with you. How would you feel? <-- No need to answer, this is rhetorical question.

 

[Crackerjack94]

Think of it this way:
You go to the town to pick up girl. You meet a woman at a pub. You have good time and you end up at your flat where you have passionate ONS. The next morning the woman leaves and that's it.
Except.
Some days later you learn the girl had crush on your older brother and just because you resemble him, she slept with you. How would you feel? <-- No need to answer, this is rhetorical question.

I would feel nothing because she's not the girl I like. Again your point falls apart when she's a replacement for Kaho in your theory. Let's use your example here but let's add the fact that I'm only having sex with this woman because she wants to but I'm in love with another woman. Now ask yourself should you be mad when you don't love this woman either? That's a rhetorical question btw

 

[Crackerjack94]

Think of it this way:
You go to the town to pick up girl. You meet a woman at a pub. You have good time and you end up at your flat where you have passionate ONS. The next morning the woman leaves and that's it.
Except.
Some days later you learn the girl had crush on your older brother and just because you resemble him, she slept with you. How would you feel? <-- No need to answer, this is rhetorical question.

Like I said your point makes 0 sense in context of the story and your example makes even less. Shirasawa had no desire to be in a romantic relationship with her so why would he be mad. Based on your belief he thinks she's obsessed with Saiga so why would any sign of confirmation cause him anger. That's like me meeting a girl knowing she likes my brother, having sex with her, and then her saying she did it because I resemble my brother. Why would I be mad at something I already know? Wouldn't Shirasawa even going through with it show that he wasn't in the right state of mind? He's not someone that comes across as just wanting an easy sex partner so he clearly wasn't in the right headspace.

 

[Mordenheim]

I would feel nothing because she's not the girl I like. Again your point falls apart when she's a replacement for Kaho in your theory. Let's use your example here but let's add the fact that I'm only having sex with this woman because she wants to but I'm in love with another woman. Now ask yourself should you be mad when you don't love this woman either? That's a rhetorical question btw

I'm prideful and arrogant, so I want the girls I have sex with to be interested in me, and only me.

Btw, I think we hit an impasse.